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Donuel 23 May 18 - 08:21 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 May 18 - 06:55 AM
Donuel 21 May 18 - 05:18 PM
gillymor 19 May 18 - 07:03 AM
Steve Shaw 19 May 18 - 05:52 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 May 18 - 02:12 AM
Donuel 18 May 18 - 02:19 PM
punkfolkrocker 16 May 18 - 08:54 AM
David Carter (UK) 16 May 18 - 04:50 AM
Backwoodsman 16 May 18 - 04:43 AM
Dave the Gnome 16 May 18 - 04:37 AM
Backwoodsman 16 May 18 - 04:20 AM
David Carter (UK) 16 May 18 - 03:57 AM
Acme 15 May 18 - 09:38 PM
punkfolkrocker 15 May 18 - 05:41 PM
Amergin 15 May 18 - 05:35 PM
Steve Shaw 15 May 18 - 05:29 PM
beardedbruce 15 May 18 - 04:09 PM
Acme 15 May 18 - 04:05 PM
beardedbruce 15 May 18 - 03:56 PM
Steve Shaw 15 May 18 - 03:55 PM
beardedbruce 15 May 18 - 12:50 PM
Steve Shaw 15 May 18 - 12:45 PM
punkfolkrocker 15 May 18 - 12:44 PM
punkfolkrocker 15 May 18 - 12:39 PM
Steve Shaw 15 May 18 - 12:33 PM
beardedbruce 15 May 18 - 12:17 PM
Greg F. 08 Feb 18 - 10:32 AM
beardedbruce 16 Dec 16 - 09:26 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 04 Jun 10 - 03:25 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 03 Jun 10 - 03:38 PM
beardedbruce 03 Jun 10 - 12:37 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 03 Jun 10 - 07:40 AM
Stringsinger 02 Jun 10 - 09:50 AM
McGrath of Harlow 01 Jun 10 - 05:32 PM
beardedbruce 01 Jun 10 - 04:28 PM
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beardedbruce 01 Jun 10 - 02:07 PM
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beardedbruce 30 Oct 08 - 06:44 PM
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Amos 23 Oct 08 - 11:12 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 18 - 08:21 AM

The inane remarks and claims that assail us daily from my opponent are not the things we will remember or talk about 5, 10, 20 or 100 years from now. We are actually in the dawning of the age of controlling our DNA, our evolution and Destiney. We are at the cusp of discovering the relationship of our fluid spacetime and navigate the actual ocean of space where islands of new world matter rises.

We may choose our God but the truth staring us in the face is inviolate and beyond any choice to believe or not.


Together we will decide our
directions,
our inventions and
our dimensions
for the freedoms
of Life itself.


Donuel Webster


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 May 18 - 06:55 AM

Kung Shai. The martial art of positioning furniture so your enemies fall over it.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Donuel
Date: 21 May 18 - 05:18 PM

My opponent's Venn Diagram is a circle.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: gillymor
Date: 19 May 18 - 07:03 AM

Vuja de- That strange feeling that none of this has happened before.
(George Carlin)


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 18 - 05:52 AM

Deja fu: the uncomfortable feeling that you've had the shit kicked out of you this way before...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 May 18 - 02:12 AM

I presume deja poo is when you think you have heard that crap before? If so, I like it! I am going to steal that one:-)I

And, yes, if anyone thinks that their "reputation, employment and career" can be damaged by anything said on Mudcat they really ought to take a reality check.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Donuel
Date: 18 May 18 - 02:19 PM

"It has been members of the Left here that have posted out and out lies to injure my reputation, threaten my employment, and destroy my career."

Now thats Deja poo of the actions of an autocrap, not progressives.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 May 18 - 08:54 AM

"to injure my reputation, threaten my employment, and destroy my career. "

mudcat won't be much worry to me then...

I've never really enjoyed any of those things...!!!



...punkfolkrocking with electric guitars and disreputable people since 1973...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 16 May 18 - 04:50 AM

I am genuinely bemused. What possible career could someone have that could be threatened by posts on Mudcat?


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 May 18 - 04:43 AM

As do discussions about threads themselves, Dave! In this case, that wouldn't be a bad thing, IMHO.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 May 18 - 04:37 AM

May I just point out that getting personal gets threads closed.

Just saying like...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 May 18 - 04:20 AM

I think he meant 'carer', David.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 16 May 18 - 03:57 AM

You have a career??


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Acme
Date: 15 May 18 - 09:38 PM

Left = Rational.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 May 18 - 05:41 PM

Is the USA idea of 'far left' something like UK tory wets and liberals...????


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Amergin
Date: 15 May 18 - 05:35 PM

Ah, the Bruce is crying again. Typical.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 18 - 05:29 PM

"It has been members of the Left here that have posted out and out lies to injure my reputation, threaten my employment, and destroy my career."

You don't have to be neurotic to think that everyone's out to get you, but it helps... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 May 18 - 04:09 PM

It has been members of the Left here that have posted out and out lies to injure my reputation, threaten my employment, and destroy my career.

Deal with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Acme
Date: 15 May 18 - 04:05 PM

Then don't write nonsense like what you just posted.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 May 18 - 03:56 PM

Yeah, too many far Left folks here to find much Truth.

But one can hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 18 - 03:55 PM

Well I suppose it might just rear up one day and bite you on the bum. Until then, no chance.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:50 PM

And last time, I opened a new thread and was told there were threads open that I should have used.

MY INTENT in CREATING this thread was to discuss Truth- And I consider that the conversation might well do that.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:45 PM

I know you do. However, the legitimate thing is to open a new thread. Note that Jim has just done that. There are right ways and wrong ways...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:44 PM

Steve - Bruce has resurrected this thread to continue an open discussion with me, for as long as it's viable..
I think that's fair enough..


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:39 PM

not neccessarily 'persecuted' - how would I know that without commiting to research I simply have no time for...

But a lifetime's experience informs my reasonable judgement that at least more than a few may be 'persevering' and 'enduring'...

I personally know that much just from entering culturally active adulthood under thatcher's regime in the 1980s...

Obviously, I or close friends, and contemporaries weren't made to 'disappear'..
But that was happening in other right wing nation's that thatcher's govt were very good friends with...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:33 PM

This is an illegitimate use of this thread. However, nice to be reminded that I came out with a bit of truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:17 PM

refresh

PFR,
I understand your pm comments, and agree with many- But JC has DEMANDED that the rest of us come up with solutions. He has none, except to always say that the Israelis should let themselves be killed. Not a viable solution, IMHO.

Feel free to start a thread- no qualifications are needed.

" [not your wildly exaggerated comical misinterpretation
of what that word means..] "

Not sure what you mean here- "a humanist musician, artist, or writer
enduring life under the current right wing Israeli regime... " implies that you consider those listed as being somehow persecuted by the right.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 18 - 10:32 AM

...avoid tendentious-minded sources. Websites run by lobbies and pressure groups...

Well, that pretty much leaves out Faux News, Breitbart, the "Freedom Caucus"[sic] and all the rest of the tRump supporting and enabling media.

It also leaves out Bruce.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Dec 16 - 09:26 AM

Not strictly politican, but a bit of Trurth.



From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 16 Dec 16 - 09:00 AM

You can meet the challenge of getting accurate news by adopting several strategies. First, approach information in an objective, non-partisan, open-minded way. Otherwise you will get only the news that you want to hear. Second, avoid tendentious-minded sources. Websites run by lobbies and pressure groups, or which you know to be excessively right- or left-wing, or by one political strand out of many, can be relied on to provide very lopsided news. Third, learn how to spot tabloidism. There was a headline in the Mail a couple of days ago that referred to "arch-remoaner Ben Bradshaw." That guarantees two things: a biased report coming up, and a report that mixes news with comment. If you see that it should disqualify that paper permanently in your mind as a reliable source. Fourth, newspapers and telly news bulletins have a limited amount of space/time. Someone has to decide what's in or out, how much should be given to each item and in what order they are presented. The only round this is to look at as many different sources as possible of the kinds that have jumped through the hoops described in points one to three.

In other words, use your brain. Accept nothing without evidence and/or corroboration. Healthy scepticism is a wonderful thing. And don't automatically diss a source that you disagree with. It's quite likely that it's you who's wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 03:25 PM

"My political comment is, for the most part, aimed at the ineptitudes and stupidities of politicians."


Which is a reason that I have noted it as a piece of wisdom seen here that I wished to record in this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 03:38 PM

""Do you REALLY think that you should GET respect that YOU deny to those you disagree with???""

My political comment is, for the most part, aimed at the ineptitudes and stupidities of politicians.

While I often attack political opinions which I consider naive or dishonest, I do not make personal attacks upon others here who disagree with my stance, unless I suffer personal attacks from them.

Having identified myself as a British Tory voter, such attacks are now a daily occurrence from a small group of people who lack the good manners to allow others the freedom to speak without being slandered or ridiculed.

Thus far, I am managing not to respond in kind, having been brought up and educated (at Grammar school) to behave in a gentlemanly fashion. Would that some of our University and Law school graduates had the same upbringing.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 12:37 PM

Don T,

THIS thread was started to have a place for significant statements that I thought demonstrated Truth or Validity. The quote o your I posted seemed to be one that applies TO ALL SIDES.

If you think otherwise, feel free- I have no control over YOUR thoughts.

Do you REALLY think that you should GET respect that YOU deny to those you disagree with???


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 07:40 AM

""From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 31 May 10 - 11:13 AM

Then come back and tell me that I get the respect for my views which they demand from me , and I'll spit in your eye and call you a bloody liar.
""

Just goes to show the lengths some people will go to, in trying to support the insupportable.

I am sure that BB knows that the above quote fom me was extracted, and taken out of context, from an argument with British members about British politics.

But hell Bruce, why let the truth get in the way of winning the argument eh?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:50 AM

The federal government has a duty to protect us from Libertarians. They claim to be non-partisan but are anything but.

There are no non-partisan political comments to be made.

The Founding Fathers of the US were not non-partisan in their defense of the Constitution.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jun 10 - 05:32 PM

Vodka...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Jun 10 - 04:28 PM

" I would like to share some of the observations that I have read here, in a non-partisan way. "


I fail to see how my post was partisan- the statement I quoted has no party affiliation, nor is it only true for one side.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jun 10 - 03:23 PM

How come it took you two years to craft a post with three words of your own and a quote, bruce?

I note, going back to your original post in the thread, you were on about being non-partisan...

I once met someone who claimed that vodka was a non-alcoholic drink.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Jun 10 - 02:07 PM

From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 31 May 10 - 11:13 AM

Then come back and tell me that I get the respect for my views which they demand from me , and I'll spit in your eye and call you a bloody liar.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 09:07 PM

"They do work toward reaching compromise and achieving the unity that you describe, but compromise does not equate to capitulation of the ideals for which they are fighting."

WFDU - Ron Olesko -



I don't think he meant this to apply to ALL SIDES, but it does...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 05:10 PM

More from Amos:

"I am not going to be lured into your posturing rhetoric, while you pretend you have not seen the evidence, because it would not much matter to you WHAT evidence appeared; your mind is made up in a frozen rut of militant justification, which no reason can thaw."


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 07:23 PM

LOL!

Well, my feeling is that with all the arm waving Amos has been doing lately, he might become the first human being to attain flight without the aid of a machine or vehicle of some kind.

Funny, though, how we perceive others, isn't it? When we do it, it's carefully reasoned commentary. When they do it, it's hysterical "arm waving".

My take on this? You're both wrong. (grin)


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:44 PM

From: Amos - PM
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:02 AM

Waving you arms and declaring things true in loud, condemnatory tones does not make it true.

.....



From: Amos - PM
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:18 AM

Ya know what? Your wild-eyed, foaming generalizations are really, really, really boring. Your negativity is so ineffectual it isn't even dampening, and your "facts" are so full of holes you shouldn't be caught wearing them outdoors.

Get a life, or get a brain, or both.





Do I hear a pot calling out?????


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:17 PM

All true, Stringsinger...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:37 PM

Politics by nature is partisan. A non-partisan comment is not a comment about politics.

A person who is not involved in politics is probably in no position to comment about it because they probably don't know much about it.

A cross platform response could be made that:
1. Politics is bought, these days. More public financing and media time would help
both parties.
2. Having a workable economy would help both parties, the working and the investor
class.
3. A concentration on issues rather than ad hominem personal attacks would be
more useful for society.
4. Reactivating civics classes in the school system would enable citizens to be
better informed.
5. American citizens should be required to read the US Constitution.
6. De-emphasizing personalities in favor of those who have the real requirements
for political office would solve a lot of disputes and bring forth political executive
talent.

Frank Hamilton (and I approve this message)


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:12 PM

I suggest that you follow the intent of my post and include its context, there, Bruce. It was intended for the context into which it was placed.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:22 PM

Knowing it was said in a highly partisan manner, but seeing the application, I wish to preseve the following by Amos for future use:



"WHat on earth are you referring to? Don't you ever get tired of making unfounded, unreferenced statements? DO you really expect others to accept your armwaving as facts? "


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:49 AM

Since the clone did not see the above message claiming the guest post, let me try again:

"From: Amos
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:03 AM

Humans have a deep need to make others wrong in order to feel right about themselves. ....

Those who are the most afraid of their own "wrongness" will be the most assertive about finding those faults in others they most detest in themselves.

A "
Bruce, I don't actually read these threads and there's a good chance any of us might miss subsequent ownership claims.
Please just re-post your comments and we'll delete the previous no-name messages. Thank you. -Moderator


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 02:32 PM

I think it is the two party system that polarizes people. Like the Crips and the Bloods, Sunni and Shia. Catholics and Protestants, All ways at war.

Why should anyone have to belong to a party? Mainly because of the money. You can't get the money it takes to get elected unless you have party backing. Let's get rid of the money. Let's get rid of the parties.

It is just like the race factor. Why do we have to say Black man or White man? all that does is poke a stick in someones eye.

And the media is whipping it up all they can to make more money off of the conflict. People write books to capitalize on the conflict.

This is not to say the world can or should be a perfect place but we would be better off if we used the energy expended in arguing on other things to improve the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Amos
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 02:07 PM

"History was made last night when the Democratic Party nominated Illinois Sen. Barack Obama as its candidate for president of the United States. He's the first African-American presidential nominee of a major party.

Both newly-tapped vice presidential candidate Joe Biden, the senior senator from Delaware, and former President Bill Clinton took to the Pepsi Center stage to rally behind Obama and encourage other Democrats to do the same.

But perhaps the more emotional high point came earlier yesterday as Sen. Senator Hillary Clinton set aside months of political rivalry, and motioned to have Obama declared the Democratic nominee by acclamation."

NPR


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 01:29 PM

got to preserve this one, for future reference:


From: Amos - PM
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 11:11 AM

The kind of carping and snidity that some folks have to resort too would be funny, if it weren't sduch a sorry reflection on their condition.

A


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