BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?

Subject: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 06:38 AM

http://www.angelfire.com/home/FRAGMENTS/enneagram.html

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Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 06:46 AM

As they used to say on The Rowan and Martin Laugh In, "Very interesting; but stupid"
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 06:53 AM

Wonderful. I particularly liked the way that gravity is caused by the sound of the first letter of the Arabic alphabet (If I understood it) Do you realise how the Western world could be held to ransom if these pesky Arabs turned off gravity when it suited them by faking their accent?

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: *daylia*
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 07:56 AM

Weird. Is it just me, or is that article designed to make absolutely no sense whatsoever????

I have an acquaintance who has developed quite a good reputation as a therapist/counsellor over the years. Last summer she told me she sometimes uses enneagram tests to help determine her client's "personality type" (ie strengths and weaknesses). I had no idea what she was talking about, so she directed me to this site . It does make a little more sense than the one Pied Piper linked us to.

You can take a free test to find out which type you supposedly are at that site. It's kinda fun. I turned out to be a 7, if memory serves, which did seem to "fit" quite well. The descriptions given are so generalized I didn't find it much more meaningful than a game, though.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 08:01 AM

It's total bollocks!

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: BanjoRay
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 08:14 AM

If you look at the picture labelled "Aetheron Flux Monopole Emanations" it shows a load of balls spreading outwards. How apt.
Ray

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: ThreeSheds
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:01 AM

I think nested vortices sounds quite interesting
Tho I dont think I want to know what the Dandelion Puff Principle is

Full marks for a good piss take

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:34 AM

quite apart from the BS, my firewall gives me the message

"this website tries to use cookies for exploitive ourposes..." etc..

I then had to go and manually delete a cookie....Anglefire websites are notorious.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:57 AM

Enneagrams are for those people for whom diagrams were too difficult.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 10:00 AM

Monograms, diagrams, trigrams (do you have them in English?), pentagrams, hexagrams, heptagrams, octograms (do you have them?), enneagrams, decagrams.

You could nearly count by them.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 10:12 AM

wierdly - it is the first "type" test I've taken that I felt came close to describing me.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: mack/misophist
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 10:28 AM

Total codswallop, but the graphics were nice.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 11:29 AM

"New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?"

Yes... just like all the rest of it.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:29 PM

stew gage Jumbo gumbo.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: pdq
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 01:41 PM

It looks like they spent years huffin' and puffin' to re-invent the basketball net!

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 01:47 PM

Heh! I have no idea whether that stuff is valid or not, and I'm certainly not inclined to spend much time trying to figure it out...but I know one thing: it was not put together by someone who was trying to reach or convince Pied Piper! :-)

I did take the free test daylia provided the link to, and it delivered an extremely accurate assessment of my personality type...so it appears that the Enneagram works rather well. I know the therapist daylia spoke of. She's smart, capable, and uses the Enneagram all the time, but I can't be bothered much with it for some reason...although...I do believe it works all right. It just doesn't fascinate me much for some reason, even though it does work.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 01:49 PM

explosive poirposes?

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:35 PM

The initial article posted by a zealous individual on a free website--when it's posted without peer review or professional oversight that usually tells me that it's lunatic fringe or otherwise a flawed theory. At best it gets a glance to sum up the content. I looked at the test posted--I've seen that before, though it doesn't always get linked with the nine-section diagram. And I think (despite the warning to take the long view) depending on my mood when I take it I've had different results. This time it had me as probably a type 3 with "arms" of 8 and 7. Hmmm. I went through it with my role as parent in mind, as mentor to the kids and how I think I do. If I were to take that test without the parent role in mind the results might be somewhat different.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:37 PM

What number are we if we don't have the patience to take the whole (14 page) test?

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:46 PM

I'm an i.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Burke
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 08:44 PM

I don't see anything strange about the test or the results. It seemed pretty good for me. Myers-Briggs was OK as well. It's what you do with the results that is New Age--Energy Healing, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Kaleea
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 08:58 PM

By golly, I do believe I've seen MUCH better mumbo jumbo fake-o technobabble on Star Trek-- & more scientific, too!

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 11:45 PM

CarolC, there was only a one page test on the link above. Where did you find your test?

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 12:02 AM

This one from Daylia: click on Classical enneagram test. I didn't see or look for any in the link in the opening post in this thread. Pied Piper's link contains nothing of interest to me.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: GUEST,e=mcHawkings
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 07:42 AM

Yo PP - this one's got yer name all over it ....

What We Need More Of Is Science   

Verse 1

I'm a disciple of science
I know the universe is compliance with natural laws,
but many place reliance on the psuedo-science of quacks and
morons and fools because,
their educations deficient,
they put faith in omniscient,
make believe beings who control their fate,
but the Hawk aint with it, dig it,
their Holy writ aint the least bit legit,
its a bunch of bullshit.

They need to read a book that ain't so damn old old,
let reason take hold,
though truth to be told,
they're probably already too far gone,
withdrawn, the conclusion foregone.
But maybe there is still hope for the young,
if they reject the dung being slung from the tongues,
of the ignorant fools who call themselves preachers,
and listen instead to their science teachers.

Chorus
Upon blind faith they place reliance,
what we need more of is science!

Trash Talk
Uh yeah, that's right!
Fundamentalist assholes!
Screw the hole lot of them.

Verse 2
Look, I ain't thomas Dolby,
science doesn't blind me,
think you're smart? Form a line behind me,
you won't find me, truth to tell,
to be a man who suffers fools very well.
Quite the opposite in fact,
I aint got time to interact,
with crystal wearing freaks in need of a smack.
New age motherfuckers? Don't get me started,
I made more sense than them, last time I farted.

Not to put too fine a point upon it,
but the whole new age movement is full of shit.
Please allow me to elaborate,
explicate, expatiate.
from astral projection to zygomancy its a,
mish mash of idiocy.
Instead of the archaic worship of seasons,
they should explore logic and reason.

Chorus

Trash Talk
Fucking new-agers!
Is there any amount of bullshit they won't swallow?
It's two-thousand-aught-three goddammit!
When are these morons gonna join us in the 21st century?

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 10:48 AM

I followed a link to what is the second test on the page you just sent. I didn't fool with the stuff on the first link either (except to scan over it and wonder at the invention of the inflatable toilet seat). :)

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 11:22 AM

by golly there IS something to the mumbo-jumbo--- I took the Meyers-Briggs, and it said I was the type who'd be suspicious of tests. (INTP??)

I had my horoscope read, and it said I was a sceptic who'd be suspicious of horoscopes...

I think I know what THIS test would show...

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 11:51 AM

Ok, I took the one page test. It said this: "You are most likely a type 9 (the Peacemaker) with 1 wing" Anybody know what "with 1 wing" means?

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 12:22 PM

It would have been the next ranking strength that the test showed for you. On the screen I got it was highlighted in gray or some other non-descript color. The results were ranked, anyway, and it would have been one or two below the top outcome on the graph.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: *daylia*
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 12:22 PM

Carol, my knowledge of the enneagram test is limited to what's on the introductory site I linked to in my first post, but I think it means that while you are mostly a type 9 (the Peacemaker), you also show characteristics of type 1 (the Reformer). To quote from the website;

Usually one has characteristics of one of the types that lie adjacent to one's own that are more prominent. This is called the wing. So someone who is a type 5, might have a 4 wing or a 6 wing. This may be abbreviated to "5w4" and "5w6". If one doesn't have a dominant wing, it is said that the wings are balanced.

I did the test again this morning, and came up with a totally different type than I did in July. So either I've changed quite dramatically in the last couple months, or the test itself is a better measure of passing moods than of (supposedly) stable personality traits.

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Amos
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 12:33 PM

Mine turned out to be a 9w8 which translates to a Peacemaker with a strong Challenger trait.

I would not say this test is total bollocks. Whether it is empirically verifiable, I am sure I can't say!! But I am not dissatisfied with the results.

A

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 12:48 PM

Well, CarolC, "stew gage Jumbo gumbo" it is.
My hubby makes it; it is an all-day production, so he generally uses the biggest stockpot we have. Besides the okra("gumbo"), chicken, and sausage, there are a variety other veggies, spices, and herbs. I could go into more detail, but then he'd have to kill both of us. It's one of my favorite things about what we laughingly refer to as "Winter" down here.    Tw

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 01:40 PM

Chicken? I was thinking more along the lines of the elephant of the famous 'Jumbo' name. I feel a little deflated now.

;-)

P.S. Where is "down here"?

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 01:41 PM

P.P.S. Thanks, daylia.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: *daylia*
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 02:20 PM

No problem, Carol.

I just tried the shorter test, and got the same result I did in July - a 7 with "balanced wings". Interesting ... I was feeling pretty impatient by the time I finished that 14-page version earlier today. Hungry, too.

Also, according to the information given on the website it's common for 7's to mistype themselves as 3's - and I was a 3 according to the longer test this morning.

Ok - for the most accurate results, better take the longer test after breakfast!

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 02:25 PM

People can clearly be a mixture of types, but there are usually one or two basic types that predominate in an individual. I appear to be either a 4 with a 5 wing...or a 5 with a 4 wing.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: GUEST,Tannywheeler
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 10:49 PM

Austin, Texas, on the south side of town.   Tw

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 09:23 AM

Great stuff here!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 09:28 AM

Back to the mumbo jumbo--but it took a minute to manage the segue from tests to pickles. :)

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: leeneia
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 10:07 AM

I noticed that the site says that the enneagram starts with an isoceles triangle, when actually the embedded triangle is equilateral. I suppose "isoceles" just sounded more mysterious than "equilateral."

I wonder what personality type that make me.

As for the test, people are so complex and variable, that any description will probably describe them, especially if you put in a few sets of conflicting characteristics. For example, Peacemaker combined with Reformer. The description works whether you are reticent or vociferous on any given day.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 04:51 PM

It works on the Barnum effect: Beyond that, nothing in there.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 06:25 PM

Thanks, Spaw.   "Too many antidepressants" is a classic oxymoron. The wider the variety available, the more individuals that can be treated. 'Catters put forth enormous efforts in the service of mental health improvement for the world. It's a privilege to observe.   Gratefully,    Tw

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 06:31 PM

"Barnum was an optimist"

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 06:56 PM

I had lunch at a really great vegetarian restaurant in Austin a little over a year ago. It had a really cool semi-indoor garden area and several vegan dishes on the menu. I was impressed. No Jumbo gumbo though. No electric pickels either.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: GUEST,ticklepickleprickle
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 07:10 PM

heeheehee

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: GUEST,minipricklepickle
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 07:15 PM

ho, ho, ho

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: GUEST,skinnyfickleprickle
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 07:19 PM

heh,heh,heh

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Gervase
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 04:58 AM

The Myers-Briggs is used as standard for entry to senior levels the British Civil Service, and is highly respected in the recruitment trade.
As for Enneagrams; a colleague of mine became obsessed with them and ended up jacking in her £60k job to sign on for a myriad very expensive courses which encourage an almost mystical belief in their use for diagnosis and even treatment. Dunno what she's doing now, but I still recall her earnest huckstering for this 'miracle mirror into the soul'.

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 08:41 AM

Thanks for all those hilarious links; people are starting to stare at me here in the local library.
Loved the Electric Pickle experiments.

PP

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: GUEST,Ooh Aah
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 07:26 PM

You think that's bad Pied Piper! I'm at my Primary school, my Grade Threes are doing their quiet reading and then their teacher (at his desk with, fortunately, the computer screen turned away from them) starts making weird muffled howling noises!

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 06:19 PM

I had the same reaction. :-) Fortunately, though, I am not teaching a class of third graders, so I can laugh as loud as I want. Future generations of cacti will say, "This was their finest hour!"

Subject: RE: BS: New Age Mumbo Jumbo ?
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 02 Oct 04 - 12:41 PM

So, Ooh Aah, there are some educational "experts" who say that anytime you can give a child the idea that life is/has joy and laughter you are enhancing their education enormously. There are those "experts" who believe that the most important feature of a school day is order, peace, control. Which "class" are you in?   Tw