BS: They both lost the debate

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 12:53 PM

EP:

I don't think so. The Bush web is a web of deceit and misrepresentation.

A

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 12:35 PM

Thanks, hon.


(It's times like this I REALLY wish I drank, but sugar has got to be the next best thing.)

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: JennyO
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 12:31 PM

Never mind Ellenpoly, have a donut (guaranteed whelk-free) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 12:28 PM

Sorry all.


I think I need to stick to non-political threads until after the smoke clears.




(A very depressed Ellenpoly)

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 12:26 PM

"he has the earmarks of a decent man"

-Amos



"So are they all, all honourable men"


-Mark Anthony in "Julius Caesar"

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 12:15 PM

I don't know John Kerry. But he has th e earmarks of a decent man. He stands up straight and says what he sees and is willing to talk to people directly without BSing them -- my impression. Bush won't talk to anyone who ISN'T in his reality-distortion field.

A

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: GUEST,Ellenpoly
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 12:00 PM

Hey akenaton, I questioned the system last time and voted for Nader.

This year I will put aside my own feelings about Kerry, which are anything but positive or hopeful that he will be a jot better than most of those who have been in that office for so many sad long years...

And Like the Cowardly Lion in Oz (I think you were referring to me, not Ebbie, GUEST), I will continue to say the mantra over and over...until I DO believe it-at least until after the election returns.

After that, I'll go back to hating this system that forces me to vote for someone I have no faith in, no liking for, and no wish to be President other than to supplant the man who has hijacked that position for the past four years.

It's shit, I hate it, don't think I feel any other way about it.

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 11:16 AM

"The yowl" was a bit unfair really - as I understand it, he was shouting in a noisy environment, but the microphone didn't pick up the background noise he was shouting against, so he sounded off his nut.

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 10:09 AM

John Dean's mistake was in working for Richard Nixon...Howard Dean's problem was mainly his public image (and the yowl didn't help).
He was perceived as 'not electable'....The Republicans were itching to have him to rake over the coals.

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: GUEST,curious
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 10:08 AM

Little Hawk: How did you like the slap in the face towards Canada that Bush used in the second debate to show why we should not get drugs from Canada? (I mean the part about not knowing if Canadian drugs are safe).

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: jaze
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 09:37 AM

What really, was John Dean's downfall? All I can come up with is the media making him look like an idiot because of that yowl. Was that really what did it?

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 09:07 AM

Your right again LH...
I'm amazed at the effort the Americans expend on changing one figurhead for another. Whatever the result ,the system remains.
Capitalism, the worst misfortune ever to afflict humanity.
If only people like Ellenpoly would start to question that system,we might begin to make real progress, both for the health of the planet and our own happiness...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 09:06 AM

And I'm sure you have your eyes closed and are clicking your heels together as you say that Ebbie? ;-)

The prospect of 4 more years is more than a bit daunting, isn't it? But in order to beat Bush, we needed a strong Dem candidate. We didn't get one of those. Instead we got "the most electable" who wasn't really electable at all in the current circumstance, and who ran an idiotic summer campaign on Vietnam, instead of the issues facing us today.

Some pundit I heard on the news last night before the debacle, said that domestic issues aren't really Kerry's strong suit, that in reality, as a senator, he had always been involved in foreign relations, the military, etc. I think that is dead on accurate. Which begs the question: who chose to drape the candidate in the "domestic strengths" garment when this emperor was dressed with the invisible clothes? There is a reason why no one had heard of Kerry before he ran for president, after a couple of decades in the senate. He has no real domestic strengths. His supposed strength on the environment are easily cancelled out by his support of free trade, national security interests, etc etc.

But it doesn't look to me as if Kerry is going to get in though. He just doesn't have the momentum he needs to get past the post with an October surprise at this point.

So, I'm sure the Dems and Anybody But Bushers will blame Nader again, rather than themselves for choosing such a piss poor candidate AGAIN.

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 09:01 AM

"... But you saw the smiles o' the gentry
And the laughter of lords at their gains
When the poor hunt the poor across mountain and moor
The rich man can keep them in chains."

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 08:59 AM

I DO believe we can beat Bush
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(Sorry Amos, I WISH I could love the man, but it's got to be enough for now that I'm voting for him.)

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 08:57 AM

"It was as if they were two employees who work for the same company"

Well, yeah! That is exactly what they are. Look, if there were two committee leaders in a big multi-national corporation competing over who gets to run the cushy new project next year, and they both had to conduct a demo of how they were going to do it and get help from their teams...what would it look like? Pretty much like what you see in these lacklustre debates.

These guys are flunkies for the same huge $y$tem and there is nothing the public can do about it. The $y$tem itself is the problem, just like it was in the old Soviet Union (or the new Russia, for that matter). This is not democracy, it's a rigged game, bought and paid for.

Rubber stamp your chosen corporate flunkie in November, and settle back for 4 more years of betrayal and deceit. As long as they can divide you bitterly against each other (over hostile partisan lines) they will conquer you.

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 08:54 AM

Amazing how widespread the opinions are from the same results. As far as I am concerned Kerry walked off with the points on every question, while Bush folkled around trying to be cute because he could not be very competent. Kerry's ability to communicate is so far above Bush's as to offer no comparison. The polls I saw saw 70% giving the debate to Kerry on a questuion by question basis. The man is head and shoulders a better candidate even with his flaws.

A

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 08:48 AM

I just finished watching the debate on C-span.


I DO believe we can beat Bush
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I DO believe we can beat Bush..........

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 08:42 AM

I ignore the so-called "debates." They are not debates; they have degenerated into name-calling brawls of misleading statistics and information on both sides.

I wish to heck that they were debates instead of slick promotional pieces pandering to what the politicos perceive as the policy issues.

Neither won, neither lost. The potential voters, however....

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 08:35 AM

Wow, this is the ONLY thread on Presidential Debacle #3, and it has only TWO posts? The morning after?

Man, Kerry must have lost big time. Reuters snap poll showed Bush up by 1 point, all the other polls still show them even or where they were going into the debate (ie Kerry is still showing ahead of Bush in the polls that showed him that way before last night).

So! Now that the last one is done, is anyone ready to make any fearless predictions on the winner of the horse race?

My prediction: the Bush camp has a helluva October surprise up it's sleeve, which will hit the news sometime around the 20th-25th, and it will be four more years. This Democratic candidate is, to put it plainly, just a miserably poor candidate, and so hasn't been able to capitalize on the widespread discontent with the current occupant. They are tied now, but the October surprise will insure an easy coast across the finish line for Bush, because Kerry's support is thin, spotty, and mushy.

Subject: RE: BS: They both lost the debate
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 05:43 AM

ah yes, but the problem is, there has to be a winner. that's the rules. we're down to these two.

One of them gets the job of deciding how wealthy, safe and happy all Americans are going to to be.

So whose finger on the nuclear trigger. The one with the perpetual bush baby look of expectation, or the scary looking one fresh from the crypt.....

Its a tricky one all right. Apparently theres a lot of money involved.......

Subject: BS: They both lost the debate
From: dianavan
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 01:33 AM

I just finished watching the 3rd debate. Kerry had every opportunity to nail Bush on domestic policy but he blew it all when he said something about "marrying up." That was such a tacky thing to say. I decided that Kerry was a tacky politician. Bush, on the other hand said some funny, kinda "down home" stuff that would really appeal to most Americans. Made him seem almost human.

The debate was boring and not very informative. It was as if they were two employees who work for the same company and had on their best professional faces. You would never guess that this was a competition.

I can't stand either one of them. Good luck, America.

d