BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 05:26 PM

But not in Canada

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 05:38 PM

there is a thread running that asks whether religion is a 'mental illness', and of course, the answer to THAT, asked that way.. is no, but there are sure some strange aberrations in religious behavior!

Some Muslims defend beheading and terrorism in the name of Allah, and some Christains still believe in "kill a Commie for Christ" and some Jews believe ANYTHING done in the name of Israel is ok, and Irish Catholics and Protestants preach hate based on which church they see you leaving...and all the other asinine bits of behavior the human beings justify by refering to principles that are mostly just accidents of cultural development....and the moderates in all of those groups claim that they are right, just because they are not extreme.

It is a Tower of Babel, indeed...if there IS any truth at the base of any of it, it gets trampled in the rush to assert all the nonsense that passes for 'righteousness'.

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 05:58 PM

Thank-you, Bill D!

d

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 06:12 PM

the only thanks I need is for reasonable people to cherish their faith as best they can, without imposing it, or its consequences, on others...

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Amos
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 06:19 PM

I mean this with complete respect, but I have to reveal to you that every time I read the title of this thread on the list I misread it to say that orthodox rabbits are endorsing bush, and it seems perfectly natural.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Cool Beans
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 07:53 PM

I dunno. To me it sounds rather unorthodox.

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 08:17 PM

it only makes sense in Hungarian

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Peace
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 08:41 PM

Martin,

None of your favourite delis are in Canada? Eat once at Ben's and you will never be able to say that again. (Ben's is in Montreal, home of the steamie.) They make the best smoked meat sandwich in NORTH AMERICA. Who wins the election is one thing, but that remark--it's a matter of honour!

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 08:54 PM

Yo be da man, Amos... No right thinkin' feller would admit to that 'cept you...

...ahhhh, now we're gonna have to ask you a few questions about the usual, you know like lingering tiolet training issues and polymorphors perverse guilt and the like... Nuthin' too tough, mind you...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:41 PM

Keresem a magyarorszagi Orthodox rabbit.

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 04:39 AM

Whoops! My apologies (How do you do an embasased looking smiley?) - Usual case of decimal point in the wrong place! It should of course be 2.0 billion christians and 1.4 billion moslems which makes the world population of people of the jewish faith being outnumbered by a mere 250 to one rather than 2500 to one! I did give the right figures in a previous thread though - guess I should have looked that one up rather than relying on the old brain cells.

I must say I am very surprised at the 2.5% figure, Nerd. The US population is currently 295 million. 2.5% of that is well over 7 million - Which means that over half of the worlds population of jews is in the US - More than there is in Israel! Even so

Not that any of this realy means anything - Apart from that I am more of a nerd than Nerd:-) Ah well, thanks for pointing out the error of my ways anyway. The principle is still the same though - How come 11% of 2.5% of the population (0.275%) warrants such deliberation from the polititians though? Mind you - seeing how close the pollsters have put it every little helps I guess!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 11:11 AM

It all boils down to the electoral college, DtG. Political strategists are more concerned with the micro-elections (individual states) than they are with the macro-election (the popular vote in the country as a whole). Because it's the cumulative number of micro-elections a candidate for president wins that will determine the outcome. If there are significant numbers of a particular group that can be appealed to as a group (for instance, people of Cuban descent in a state like Florida) within any given micro-election, political strategists might pay close attention to that group. However, as we see in this thread, it isn't always easy to appeal to Jews as a group, because they are no more homogeneous in their opinions than any of the other religions in the US, with the possible exception of fundamentalist Christians.

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Nerd
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 12:28 PM

DtG:

The more accurate figure is about 6 million Jews in the US. Yes, more than in Israel. (We have more Irish people than Ireland too, and Mexico has far more hispanics than Spain!)

This Jewish figure may work out to less than 2.5% because that number was the older figure, and may have changed as the general population went up.

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Once Famous
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 12:34 PM

Brucie

Perhaps.

what exactly is a patiserrie(sp)?

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 12:40 PM

A French pastry shop, Martin.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 01:41 PM

Orthodox Rabbis in the USA endorse Bush.
Head orthodox rabbi in Israel endorses Bush
People in Israel support Bush 55% to 17%
Ed Koch (former NYC mayor & lifelong democrat) support Bush

Yassir Arafat endorses Kerry
Ossama Bin Laden endorses Kerry
Anti semetic ruler of Malaysia endorses Kerry
Carol C. endorses Kerry (well as least she has good company)

My wife is a lifelong democrat who has never voted republican in her life.   This week she has finally made up her mind and decided to vote for Bush because of his support for Israel.   A very tough decision for her.   A Bush win will be a great birthday gift.

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 06:38 PM

Guest Larry K:   Always refreshing to read about someone's priorities as to which nation is the most important to him/her. So--l;et me see if I have this right--if you are French, Italian, Turkish, German, and other non participants in this fiasco you vote Kerry?---and if you are Micronesia, Japan, Cameroon, and other such nations (OH---yes UK) that are part of the Coaliton of the Committed (or is it the Coaliation of those who should be committed) you vote W. Other national priorities first---right?

                NY Gov. (Ex) Mario Cuomo was interviewed today and his point was that Bush speaks like a bully, acts like a bully, and wants to act the tough cowboy---in our complex society the nuance and intellect that Kerry provides is the more viable option.

                Interestingly enough you might like to check a website from the Museum of the Moving Image--there you can see political ads all the way back to 1950. A 20 second ad for Eisenhower (GOP) in 1952--title: The Housewife   20 seconds Dialogue:(paraphrase) We need a President that is involved with other nations and is respected by them. We need friends around the globe---that is why I Like Ike.    Kerry should have shown that GOP ad---how the times have changed for the Grand Old Party.

               Finally, I ask---you have spoken with all the people you mention that support Kerry? I am impressed---such close contact with tyrants. That is one of the best post Halloween scares yet---give my best to Yassah Yassir. Looks like you never caught the name of the Malaysian at the cocktail party of creepy demagogues.

Bill Hahn

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:40 AM

Yes, Larry K. I am the only person in the world besides Yassir Arafat,
Ossama Bin Laden, and the Anti semetic ruler of Malaysia who endorses Kerry.

Your powers of observation take my breath away.

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:41 AM

Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention Rabbi Sol in my list of people who endorse Kerry. You're right. I am in good company.

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Alonzo M. Zilch (inactive)
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:09 AM

National exit polling shows that the Jewish vote went 76% to Kerry and 24% to Bush.

Kerry / Bush Jewish vote exit
poll

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 02:55 PM

Well, It is the day after and I, along with my wife and both her parents all voted for Kerry. After staying up until 1 AM, I got up this morning to find out that Bush got 4 more years. The Rabbis in my community are saying that Gods will was done. Also, the fact that the overriding issue was "morality and family values" proves this point. I did not dare tell them how I voted or else they would run me out of town. SOL ZELLER

Subject: RE: BS: Orthodox Rabbis Endorse Bush
From: Nerd
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 03:12 PM

I'm especially sad that you can't talk about your disappointment with the other rabbis, Sol. You've always got Mudcat! I too feel like George Bush is tapdancing on my nads. Sigh!