This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 08:28 PM

No real excuse s6k

I use ieSpell - which links into MSIE and gives you a button to check the spelling (so it is at least consistent!) in the submit window in an instant.

Otherwise all my posts here would have 'teh' for 'the'...

Robin

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Hand-Pulled Boy
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 08:18 PM

I got an 'O' level in English Language and, of course, it's a little like hanging wallpaper. Do it properly and it's seamless. Your parents come visiting and inspect your work, telling you that a professional couldn't do it better. Your wife thinks you're wonderful and all of a sudden you're on a promise. Had you done a poor job she wouldn't allow you near a paste bucket again never mind the bedroom. So there you are. Take care over your spelling and make the family happy. I still have my 'O' level certificates framed and hanging on the bedroom wall just in case there's a bad seam to cover up. Low wattage light bulbs are another alternative but then she thinks you've got something to hide. Had americans done 'O' levels we wouldn't be having this conversation now.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: kendall
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 08:17 PM

Everyone mis spells a word or two here and there, but if your command of the language is so poor that you can't get your thoughts across, is that MY fault?

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 07:46 PM

And Americans tend to say - or write - 'dreamed' rather than 'dreamt'. And 'thunked' rather than 'thought'.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 07:43 PM

I researched this for you Ake, and learned that spelt is a subspecies of wheat. But the really interesting thing I learned while researching is that "Hung" is the 789th most popular given name for males in the United States.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 06:58 PM

I notice Americans use spelled, whereas spelt is more common in UK
Which is correct?..Ake

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Peace
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 06:15 PM

This belongs in BS.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: s6k
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 06:14 PM

iff pepol expect me too use a spellchecquer on every post before i post a message they can bluddy SOD OFF, its a musci sight, not a bluddy spelling site.

if you want to moan about spellig, why dont you go to a spelling forum theN??? or a writers forhum then ???

moan there, butt not here, cos i dont care if i dont spelll somethink wright, or other pepol dont sphell somethik right, its a music site, not a bluddy spelling site.

bugger fof with your translayters, im knot gonig to use thme

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 06:04 PM

This is one of the most fascinating BS threads I have seen on here for some time.(did I spell fass....facsi...fatsci...) well anyway it is a great testimony to those who write crap even when they get their spellings right.....who and what is really important on this thread?
Sometimes I think Martin G nails things....(not always but here he has)
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 05:44 PM

"Just how useful are spell checkers? They don't spell in english (english as in english english as opposed to foreign english)"

piffle! good spell checkers allow you to choose which language you want it checked in...you simply download the dictionary of your choice if you wish to have extra letters in your words. (color-colour)

and *daylia*..*grin*...my only claim to 'genius' to knowing where to look for ways to cheat save time.

here is Show html to allow the HTML to show without executing.

and here is a wonderful little 'as you type' spell checker . You can edit it to spell things YOUR way, and have a little window open to 'beep' you if you make a mistake....or not. I have 5-6 different spell checkers in various applications, some of which work on autopilot, and some only when I tell them to.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: GUEST,Charmion at work
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 05:17 PM

Boab, you can make that red underlining go away if you're working in MS Word; go to the Tools menu, click on Language, and then select your favoured variant of English from the drop-down list, which is very comprehensive!

Many standard variations in English spelling (e.g., colour/color, kidnaped/kidnapped) arise from 19th-century American efforts at language-rationalization that were disseminated and popularized by Mr. Noah Webster and his dictionaries. Similar campaigns were waged with great success in Germany and the Scandinavian countries. There are two big reasons (and many small reasons) why Britain was rationalization-proof: first, during the 19th century the educated classes learned grammar and syntax in Latin and Greek, not English; and, second, the first truly comprehensive and reliable dictionary of British English was the Oxford, which operates on the basis of historical precendent -- that is, it traces the development of words and their meanings from their appearance in written sources. Oxford doesn't DO reform.

Canadians, being bombarded from both sides, have to use both sets of dictionaries and therefore have twice as much opportunity to get it wrong.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: *daylia*
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 05:16 PM

Yup it's that easy. And by using the preview feature on this site, you can have a look and make any corrections before you post it too.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Nerd
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 05:07 PM

boab,

in most spellcheckers you can pick UK English as the language. In MS Word, you'll find a menu called "tools" at the top. From there select "language," "set language" and "English (UK)" If you then hit the "default" button then the spellchecker will check your future documents according to UK standards. Neat, huh?

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 05:05 PM

Is it reallythat easy?

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 05:00 PM

This text is bold test

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 04:56 PM

Spare a wee thought for those of us who are plagued by red underlining by a Yankee spellchecker which persists in perpetuating the adoption of "American english". Much of the language modification I do approve, [maneuver, program and one or two others spring to mind] but some irritate. We write "cadmium", "Barium", "Radium" etc. So where the hell did this "Aluminum"come from? Either of two sources, I think ;either from the adoption of sheer lazy spelling or from the phonetic adaption of dialectic pronunciation. Color, favor, flavor, humor I can take, even if sloppy spelling was the probable origin. That's how language has evolved in most societies, I reckon [and there's an Americanism!]
   But jeeze! Spare us the red lines, when our spelling according to the Oxford dictionary is correct!

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 04:35 PM

Near as I can tell, the 'etiquette' if the internet sorta hints at this...

The quicker the form of communication, the less and less spelling is a matter of concern...

When composing an email, or coding ones web-site for instance, there's no excuse... Bad spelling is slightly more tolerated on a message board where it's easy enough to spell check your contribution before you hit the 'post' or 'submit' button...   In a chat room, there should be even MORE room for error... Some folks even think that typos are an excuse for 'humour'... On an Instant Messenger, the gloves seem to be off! The kids have even invented their own language to IM with...

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: *daylia*
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 04:24 PM

Charmion, italics and bold are created by using very simple html tags around the text you want highlighted.

Scroll down to 'physical styles' at the link. If I type the tags here, they won't show -- all you'll see is bold and italics.

Unless of course you're a genius like BillD -- how DO you do that, Bill?

daylia

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 03:37 PM

I try to watch my spelling, but sometimes due to time contraints I have to hurry.

I don't really care that much if a word here or there is spelled wrong.

As far as posting what we can here because we can, deal with it Clinton. This web site is not set up for your personal specifications. Some crap I don't even open. Others I do. No one is twisting your bony arm.

I find it more fun to post to threads where the poster thinks that it is the most serious and thought provoking stuff on the face of the earth. It's so much fun to show them that it isn't.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: GUEST,Charmion at work
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 03:28 PM

As I said, except -- Ah, fallibility! -- "So honest spelling mistakes should _not_ embarrass you; they're normal." (I wish I knew how other people put boldface and italic effects in their posts!)

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: GUEST,Charmion at work
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 03:25 PM

I confess to being a spelling freak; it really matters to me. Grammar matters, too, especially punctuation, and bad syntax makes me dizzy. Because I care about these things, I learned to type well very early in life. And I still make mistakes, being human and therefore thoroughly fallible.

In my experience (which is extensive because I'm an editor by trade), most consistently bad spellers are auditory learners, and typically have less than wonderful visual recall. *daylia*'s post includes a list of errors I see every day, and they are all normal mistakes made by "ear" people functioning in an "eye" medium. English is awful for such people because it is so spectacularly irrational and inconsistent, especially for Canadians who have both British and American spelling conventions to confuse them.

So honest spelling mistakes should embarrass you; they're normal.

Carelessness is another matter, however. Is it really so difficult to proof-read and correct your post before hitting the "Submit Message" button? If you're that pressed for time, perhaps you shouldn't be reading the Mudcat at all!

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: greg stephens
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 03:23 PM

Exactly: that would have been the one the reviewers picked out when they were reviewing your first anthology....but now? You've blown it. Is the master (I hate to say it) losing his touch?

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 03:17 PM

yeah jOhn, what greg said........I spewed coffee all over my monitor. Classic jOhn, one for the archives.... before you explained it, of course. (wink)

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: emjay
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 03:09 PM

Spelling is one thing--then there are typos.
I can spell, it's my keyboarding that is error-prone. Spell check would help, but tnen I would have to go to another program and do a cut and paste. In the meantime I have a tendency to type that I live in Alaksa, use the definite article teh and miss the capital for I--i. The last might be a good idea.
But this is one of the funniest threads in a long time.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Dead Horse
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 03:06 PM

Is it practise or practice that makes perfect?
And whose ashtray have you leaded jOhn?
It is rather worrying to find lead in your ashtray.
The nasty chemical might find its way into your but!
What a drag that would be, huh?

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: greg stephens
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 03:03 PM

JOhn from Hull: a little earlier in this htread you explained one of your own jokes. A mistake, always a mistake. It was great before you explained it.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: GUEST,milk monitor
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 02:57 PM

Eggsakly.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: *daylia*
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 02:55 PM

Spellchecks help, but they don't catch all mistakes ( "bare" instead of "bear" etc). And not everyone has the time to make "drafts" of all their posts. So maybe a Mudcat advance warning system would be better. People could post a list their usual spelling *crimes* for everyone to see. After that, you've been duly warned, so it's Read At Your Own Risk.

Ok I'll start. Words that always give me trouble include -

* "seperate"   Oops, that's "separate". Is it just me, or do they both look wrong somehow?

* "bigoted"    SRS insists on "bigotted". To me, "bigotted" looks more like what Abraham did to Isaac.

* "sincerely"   I sincereley wish the word hadn't been invented.

* "similar"    Or is it similiar? I always clutch at the "liar" part.

* "familiar"    See above

* "unraveled"   Should be "unravelled"?

* "gorgeous"    Too many vowels? But "gorgous" looks wrong too.


Ok, gotta got to run. Feel free to add your own personal *crimes* to the list if you like.

daylia


PS better start a whole new website for Sir jOhn's list ;-)

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 02:16 PM

if you applying for job, or doing a legal contract ie buying a house etc, spelling is important, [if i'm applying for job, i always ask a good speller to check my letter before i send it],

but posting to website, spelling doesent matter,
some people here seem more concerned about spelling than music=
"you put comma in wrong place"
so bloody waht, stupif!

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 02:14 PM

Uh, ya... d'uh

Why not?

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: s6k
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 02:09 PM

"There's no excuse for bad spelling in this world of spell checkers and such..."

so what should i do clinton hammond??? spell check all my posts before i post them??? ROFL!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:59 PM

I agree.
Best wishes

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:57 PM

The spelling on this site gives me no problem. However...there are some quite narrow minded folk around, who never of course make mistakes themselves because they consider themselves perfect and try to appear so. I would much rather read some of the spelling mistakes and laugh....than read some of the opinionated rubbish that some folk write.......even about spelling.
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:47 PM

As long as it's spelled well enough to be understandable, it doesn't bother me. But then have to say that because my own spelling leaves a lot to be desired.;0)

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:45 PM

Qoute "the correct spelling has led my ashtray"

i just want to make it clear that i have not led wolfgangs ashtray, in fact ive never even seen it.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: ThreeSheds
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:38 PM

Just how useful are spell checkers? They don't spell in english (english as in english english as opposed to foreign english)

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:37 PM

Wolfgang-you speleed Ashtray wrong.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:30 PM

And all the duplicitous USA election threads took up no space at all? Dontcha just love it when people whine about what they don't like, without taking a second to think that someone else may do so!

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Nerd
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:24 PM

Oh, I forgot, this is music shite, not pun shite!

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Nerd
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:23 PM

Well, if you're a musician "band space" is important too!

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:18 PM

I think the word yer after is band-WIDTH... but ya... you said it Wes...

"Just because you CAN post about anything doesn't mean you SHOULD."

It'll be nice when the forum has the same "Ignore User" feature as the 'chat' room...

Ya... there's something I'll hold my breath for...

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Wesley S
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:13 PM

I'm not that concerned with someone's spelling. It does bother me when people start threads about the most ridiculous trivial matters. And that people want to contribute to them. I don't care about William Shatner. I don't care if your rolling papers don't stick. I don't care about how you feel about women in sandwich shops. I don't care about what's "shit".

Just because you CAN post about anything doesn't mean you SHOULD. It's a waste of good band space.

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:07 PM

The quality of your thoughts is equal only to that of your ability to express them to someone else and have that someone understand...

There's no excuse for bad spelling in this world of spell checkers and such...

And well, if you don't care about your discourse enough to spell check, why oh why should I care enough to try to read it?

Subject: RE: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 12:56 PM

Why? There's one simple reason: when spelling interferes with the usability of this site for the music then there is a good reason to complain. One function of this site is talk and in that spelling does not matter. Another function is storage of refindable information and spelling still does matter here.

So I do not mind at all the way the people from Hull (or elsewhere) spell in their BS posts, for I would never try to search for these threads. But if I cannot refind a thread about an Irish group because the poster has spelt them 'Cheiftans' in the thread title it matters for me.

(As an aside, there is even a situation in which I prefer spelling errors: I prefer John from Hull to make spelling errors in the titles of his threads, so I know what to expect without opening them. In one of his last threads he has made no spelling error in the title and that has induced me to open the thread unnecessarily. In this case the correct spelling has led me astray.)

Wolfgang

Subject: This is Music Shite, Not Spelling Shite
From: s6k
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 12:40 PM

so wye complane abowt spellign theN?