BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis

Subject: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Pied Piper
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 07:46 AM

The Atlantis mystery has finally been solved, they've found it in the Eastern Mediterranean using the latest sonar imaging techniques and guess what it's exactly the same size as Plato said it was.
I know this must be true because it was on Richard and Judy and Richard was firmly convinced and we all now what an "open-minded" guy he is. They even had a pretty graphic showing the Mediterranean Sea filling up and covering Atlantis. Not only that, but they had Collin Wilson agreeing as well, so only the most blinkered and hide bound by Western thought patterns would deny it.
As Collin said this would account for the appearance of Egyptian culture as if from nowhere, as the survivors made for the nearest land.

Convinced?

For the less "open-minded" amongst you the following problems with this idea might have come to mind.
1 According to the "Researchers" Plato gives a date of 10,400 years ago for the Atlantis catastrophe, and the Pharaohonic Kingdoms of Egypt don't appear until around 3000 BC.
2 The Mediterranean did flood for the last time through the straits of Gibraltar in a very short period of time maybe as short as 100 years. Unfortunately for the believers this happened around 5,500,000 years ago when the earliest hominids were only just appearing.

An open mind is a good idea, just not so open that your Brain falls out.

PP

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:32 AM

Being in Idaho, it's quite difficult for me to see the show you refer to. In fact, it's one of many that I've never heard of.

I have heard of Colin Wilson. In fact, I have some of his books. I think that his research of the facts is okay, but they he puts forth his own theories which can be, to say the least, unusual.

Maybe, among other things, the Atlantean civilization ran in reverse chronology. Anyway, my theory is just as valid as Colin's.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:37 AM

1. Historically, the Egyptians have always been slow swimmers.

2. I told you what would happen if you didn't fix that leaky tap.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:30 AM

Like all wonderful new discoveries, let's wait to see the irrefutable proof that it is Atlantis. Patience!!!.....and more patience....and it either is or it isn't.
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 11:22 AM

It was through the literature that Troy was found, also. Words: gotta love 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 11:27 AM

Any sign of Troy Tempest down there?

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 11:49 AM

Troy Tempest was blown away.

Will this wind be so mighty......

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 12:10 PM

Troy Tempest was blown away? Was it a driveby, or what? Wasn't he the rapper who opened for Tupac a few years back?

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 02:14 PM

"this would account for the appearance of Egyptian culture as if from nowhere"

Except that Egyptian 'culture' DIDN'T appear 'as if from nowhere'....

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 02:20 PM

Clinton, please! Everything appears from nowhere if you don't look for its past!

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 02:29 PM

dear god, more pseudoarchaeological bullshit. The only pseudoarchaeological bullshit I can tolerate is my own research.

My friend was invited on Richard and Judy to talk about his research. He politely declined.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: open mike
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 02:37 PM

but if you follow the link to the site it has a contest with this quiz.
sorry the deadline was sept 30, so contest closed...still, if you want to try the questions: (no idea of the answers, though--mostly movies)

In the 2000 movie "Little Nicky" What is the name of Nicky's dog?

            Porkchop
            Fatty
            Bones
            Mr. Beefy

In the 2003 movie "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" Captain Nemo was an amazing swordsman, but what part of him did Dorian take to give to M?

            His potion
            His skin
            His science
            His blood

In the 2003 movie "LOTR: The Return of the King" Who sucessfully lit the beacon at Minas Tirith?

            Merry
            Frodo
            Gandalf
            Pippin

In the 1994 movie "Natural Born Killers" During the escape scene, what does Wayne Gale do immediately after shouting to a guard, "Don't shoot, Wayne Gale. Don't shoot, Wayne Gale"?

            shoots himself
            shoots the guard
            wets his pants
            runs and hides

In the 2001 movie "Ocean's Eleven" What does Virgil Malloy's shirt say in the casino when he loses his balloons?

            Malloy's Party Palace
            Love Them Balloons
            Balloon Man
            Last Chance Balloons

In the 2003 movie "Pirates of the Caribbean" When Will is sword fighting with Jack, he tells him he practices three hours a day. What is Jack's response?

            You need to get a life, mate.
            I practice five.
            Only three hours?
            You need to find yourself a girl, mate.

In the 1994 movie "Pulp Fiction" What passage of the Bible does Jules "preach" to his victims before he kills them?

            Zephania 3:17
            Ezekiel 25:17
            Ezekiel 29:34
            Exodus 20:17

In the 1997 movie "L.A. Confidential" The final showdown of this film takes place at the very motel where Officer White -- on the orders of Captain Smith -- has been performing some less-than-legal "muscle work" on suspected criminals. What is the name of this motel?

            Starlight Motel
            Triumph Motel
            Victory Motel
            Treetop Motel

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: MMario
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 02:40 PM

FORTY-TWO!

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 02:45 PM

Those are easy, but I can't see what it has to do with the thread OM....

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 04:10 PM

Wait a minute! Isn't this old stuff? This is old stuff!!

Within the past couple of decades, I recall seeing several programs on the tube: Nova on PBS, Discovery Channel, History Channel, etc., about Thera, an island in the eastern Mediterranean where resided a fairly highly developed civilization. It was wiped out when the whole island—unbeknown to the inhabitants, the top of a volcano—suddenly erupted violently, wiping out said civilization. The general consensus of most historians and archeologists is that this—Thera—was the "Atlantis" that Plato was talking about.

Plato said that it was destroyed 9,000 years before his time (give or take a couple of millennia), and that it was "beyond the Gates of Hercules." The Gates of Hercules is now considered to be the Straits of Gibraltar, which would put Atlantis somewhere in the Atlantic ocean, but historians say that the actual location of the G. of H. was not all that specific in Plato's time. It was sort of "somewhere over thataway." And as far as the 9,000 years is concerned, the actual term was probably "myriad," which, if one wants to be precise, means "approximately 10,000," but in common usage, it just means "one helluva lot." The volcanic explosion was more like 900 years before Plato's time. Plato's geographical and temporal coordinates were both off by about a factor of ten.

What remains is now a semi-circular island (part of the top rim of the crater) called Santorini.

Here's some pertinent poop. KABOOM!!. More HERE.

Another theory advanced, which attempts to explain either or both Atlantis and Noah's flood, is that a settlement was found on the shores of the Black Sea—about 200 feet below the current sea level. What is known is that somewhat after the end of the last ice age, there was a residual ice dam either at the Dardanelles or the strait between the Sea of Marmara and the Black Sea that held back the waters of the Mediterranean, then eventually melted and let go, flooding large areas of what had previously been dry land. Another Nova episode. Actually, one could hardly have attributed a high level of civilization to this settlement. It was little more than a fishing village. But seeing a large area permanently inundated by a 200 foot wall of water is pretty impressive. This is the stuff of which myths and legends are made.

I am fascinated by this stuff, and I'm as open-minded as anyone. But I'm not so open-minded that my brain has dropped out. I just don't buy the goatfeathers put forth by those who claim to draw some kind of "secret knowledge" from their alleged psychic connection with "ancient Atlantians." There exists what might be called a "cult of Atlantis." The discovery of the real "Atlantis" is most disturbing to these people. It means that scientists and historians are going to get involved and find out what really went on there. This blows the hell out of the myth and demonstrates that their claims of psychic ties with an "advanced civilization" is a lot of occult nonsense. So to keep the fun going, a whole new Atlantis has to be invented.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Wolfgang
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 05:28 PM

Some German scientists(Geophysicists) went public today after reading that rubbish. Right this summer they have been in that region and have surveyed and measured each meter of the seaground. They have also found that formation and their measuring instruments showed mud, mud, mud. The word for that formation was mud-diapir (kind of under water volkano) a word I had never heard but it may make sense to one of you.

Sarmast was criticised for not publishing original photos but repainted and manipulated graphics. A man with a lot of phantasy and a low level of knowledge. Forget it. It is about the twelth location for Atlantis proposed and not well documented. Yawn.

I personally have always loved the Santorini thesis without much belief. The present best guess however is boring: The end of the ice age about 11,000 years BC with a drastic increase of the sea level.

Wolfgang

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 06:18 PM

to aid in the Dardanelles flood theory, the guy that found the Titantic did some surveys in the Black Sea and DID find artifacts way down deep, the type of artifacts that might be found in a community on a seashore before the water ROSE...

BTW...the worst sc-fi book ever written was about Atlantis.."Exiles of Time" by Nelson Bond. Full of the most insipid stereotypes and hokey plots and wishful thinking in the history of publishing.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 06:34 PM

I have always failed to understand why people are 'threatened' by the existence of past civilizations that may have possessed technologies that we don't have. Remember, it was the 'zero' as a place-holder that changed our mathematics and our notion of it. We still tend to marvel at places like Stonehenge because

1) The stones to build it seem to have come from a loooong way away
2) The astronomy was very good

That doesn't imply anything ultra or extra human about the folks who built it. Hell, we went through a dark age and the church hushed up gangs of stuff to do with science. We read in the literature that the notion of a virgin birth predates Christainity by about three hundred years. We notice similarities between languages in different parts of the world and arrive at the conclusion that they share a common place of origin. We find highly complex methods of measurement in older civilizations and wonder how THEY could have figured that out. (They figured it out because they were people and people are incredibly smart.)

Some seemingly simple stuff I still marvel at, and I also marvel at our ability to make much of little. I have read this thread with a wide-eyed astonishment, not because Atlantis may 'finally' be found, but because so few people are willing to await the results before they decide one way or the other if it IS Atlantis. Interesting.

Lucy may or may not be a precursor/ancestor of Homo sapien sapien, but I always loved the picture of that tiny skull because it tells me that something with a human-like head existed half a million years ago, and that is neat. Legends appear from our need for legends. We have made them out of lesser stuff: Pretty Boy Floyd, Robin Hood and King Arthur. (Before I am taken to task on King Arthur, note that I am aware of the West Saxon connection and I have read "The Mabinogian.")

I love the hypotheses to do with the monster blast that occurred in the USSR in 1905 or 1906 (forget which), not because the facts have been established, but precisely because they haven't.

When Sir Isaac Newton established the Gold Standard, he did something that changed the world as much as did his co-discovery of the calculus and his 'laws' of motion and inertia. It is also interesting that he had a Templar connection and they in turn may have had a connection to a phenomenal birth and life sixteen centuries before. Whether any of the speculation is true or not, close or far from the mark is not the issue. It is the other thinking that results that leads to research that may yield returns we cannot even begin to imagine.

I hope what they found proves to be Atlantis, but if it isn't, it will then lead us to search for why whatever place it PROVES to be hasn't been mentioned in any other books. It will become a dull world when we lose our sense of wonder. I am fifty-seven, but I still like being a kid.

Bruce M

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 06:42 PM

My uncle, who had little formal education, became a carpenter, and he was a great builder. Not pyramids or giant towers, but anything he built lasted and most of it still stands. It was he who showed me how to measure and cut a piece of wood of unknown length into three, four, five, etc., equal-length pieces with out a measuring tape. I have given the same 'problem' to some folks who have degrees in this and that, and seldom have they been able to 'solve' the problem. There are many 'secrets' buried in time (some of my grandfather's card tricks come to mind) that indicate our ancestors may have been one helluva lot smarter than we've ever given them credit for. That too means that just because we don't understand it is no reason to think our predecessors didn't understand it, whatever 'it' is.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 06:57 PM

Your ancestors could have survived in the tundra; you probably can't.
Your ancestors could have hunted up a good meal almost anyplace; you probably can't.
Your ancestors could hitch up a horse to a wagon; you probably can't.
You can work a computer, your ancestors would be in awe.
You can drive a car, your ancestors would gaze in wonder.
You know how to read, your ancestors very likely did not.

What is knowledge to one era is nearly magical to another, and just because we're of a later date doesn't mean that the magic only goes one way.

The most magical thing humanity ever did -- beyond fire, beyond the wheel -- was to discover how to preserve its collective knowledge so that those who came later wouldn't have to continue pissing in their boots to warm their feet.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 07:02 PM

LOL

Good one, Rapaire.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 07:12 PM

"why people are 'threatened' by the existence of past civilizations that may have possessed technologies that we don't have"

Not threatened... there's just no evidence to support their existance...

Someday that might change...

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 07:44 PM

It already has, Clinton.

Incas
Aztecs
Easter Islands

The Chinese and Koreans had printing long before Johannes Gutenburg did--or his student William Caxton. (Caxton studied under Gutenburg in 1475 or thereabouts.) But, look for a history of print, and one is given to believe it's European in origin. Such is not the case.

"Printing goes way back to China, where in the 8th Century they were printing from movable wooden blocks and both to Korea and China in the 11th Century where there is evidence of printing from movable wooden type.

However, printing, which has played the major role in the spread of literacy and understanding, is generally regarded as being a 15th century European invention." From the www.

Older civilizations HAVE existed. It's just a matter of recognizing them. Surgery occurred before it became a Europen 'discovery'. (Obsidian blades can be used for open-heart surgery; in fact, they have been in modern times.) What I was saying is this: We ain't the first to have a sense of discovery, and the pyramids still stand.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 07:44 PM

'knowlege', yeah, sure..how to do LOTS of things.

'technology'...implying more advanced stuff with wires and levitation and energy forms?...don't hold your breath.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 07:53 PM

BillD: I am not. Never have. I don't expect that Atlantis will reveal that sort of thing. However, I am not blinded to simpler things: The use of fire as a technology--the area burns doen by Native North Americans who used fire to create wooded areas and open fields, thus making their hunting easier because different game moved into the edges of new forest thus created. I don't knock that as a technology. Everything that constitutes technology doesn't have to hold megabytes of info or go faster than sound. Maybe there will be a jar containing a map of the heavens proving that our far-back ancestors were able to see the night sky and recognize that the Earth went around the sun, not vice versa. I do not expect discoveries about faster than light vehicles. Maybe just discoveries that shed the view that we are the smartest of the smartest, when in reality, there ain't all that much new after all.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 08:37 PM

yep...all that is fine with those disclaimers applied. The reason I said 'implying' is that many folk take the use of technology to mean "stuff like WE have and more"...sure- some of our ancestors were absolute geniuses...witness figuring out how to get the pyramids built and the first to make fire by spinning a stick in dry tinder...etc..

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:05 PM

I hear you, Bill.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:08 PM

What did the Incas, Aztecs, or natives of Easter Island, have that we don't?

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:17 PM

I would think absolutely nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:20 PM

That's my point MG... There is NO evidence for a lost, advanced civilization...

Hell, the 'natives' of Easter Island were so advanced they cut down all the trees on their island, and destroyed the local food chain so that they all starved to death...

How's THAT for 'advanced'???

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:24 PM

I think that any civilization creates (or adapts) the technology necessary to it. (You can substitute "culture" or any other word of similar meaning, if "civilization" makes you uneasy.)

As a civilization evolves, certain technologies, once necessary, fall by the wayside (even though they may still continue to be practiced). For instance, it is no longer necessary to know how to make flint arrowheads, although it once was of vital importance. Some people still do make not only arrowheads, but other tools of stone and keep the knowledge of such skills alive.

Other technologies evolve and grow into something else, possibly something quite different from what was originally envisioned. One such obvious example is the cards used in the Jaquard loom; they are the direct ancestors of Hollerith cards, paper computer tape, and so on.

Often, too, it seems that the same invention breaks out in many places at the same time. This does not mean that one person stole ideas from another ("Lobachevsky" not withstanding). Eli Whitney did not invent the first cotton gin; he did make it successful. When the time is right it seems like invention happens whether you want it to or not.

My ancestors -- and yours, most likely -- were at least as intelligent as I am. They probably were better observers than I am. In any case, they certainly raised the pyramids and Stonehenge without the help of space aliens. And while I'm not discounting the possiblity that they also invented faster than light travel, time machines, death rays, and so on I haven't seen evidence that they did so. Maybe they were a lot smarter than I thought. Hmmmmmmmm....

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Pogo
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:28 PM

Uhmm...

The original chocolate drink, mysterious crystal skulls...*thinks* ability to do primitive brain surgery, a rather interesting artistic style...big headed statues, ability to fit stones together with astonishing precision...I dunno, anybody else?

I mean...I sure know I can't do brain surgery...

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:35 PM

The Dresden Codex--Mayan
Aztec Calendar--the Sun Stone
Babylonian base 60 number system
Inca quipu

They did not, to my knowledge, have TV. However, it seems neither did they have commercials.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:37 PM

"Hell, the 'natives' of Easter Island were so advanced they cut down all the trees on their island, and destroyed the local food chain so that they all starved to death...

How's THAT for 'advanced'???"

You checked the quality of our air lately?

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:38 PM

"mysterious crystal skulls... big headed statues, ability to fit stones together with astonishing precision"

The only thing they had that we didn't was thonse things AFFORDABLE...

Know what a crystal skull would COST these days??? We are capable of all that stuff, just no one can afford it....

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Pogo
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:45 PM

I'd like a crystal skull...

I just have no idea where I'd put it.

Maybe in my kitchen...The problem is I'd worry about vengeful spirits cluttering up the cabinents and making my cakes go flat.

Now a big headed statue I probably could fit in the front yard *muses*

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:45 PM

LOL

IMO, it's clear that we are capable. All I am saying is that many older 'cultures' and 'civilizations' are worthy of study because they found stuff we didn't 'discover' until much later.

Recently, NASA was able to get a plane to fly at something like 6000 MPH. That would not have been possible fifty years ago because computers were not developed enough to control the plane while it is in flight going that fast. Stealth technology is one thing; getting a stealth plane to fly real fast and not crash requires computers. Hell, guys, I am amazed the Wright Brothers made their plane fly at all--but today's jumbo jets and supersonic transports owe their existence to some initial stumbling efforts. It is not about "they were better than us" so much as it's about they knew some stuff, too. And maybe, just maybe, some of the stuff they knew about could be of great help to this planet and the people on it.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:02 PM

Yes, it could be. One thing they knew that we seem to have lost is the ability to play and work together. Western culture seldoms sings together outside of certain limited venues such as church, for example. Music comes from a radio or a CD, not from the heart.

Play is structured and usually watched instead of participated in. Go fly a kite, just for the hell of flying a kite, in a public park. Dig a hole in your back yard, just for the hell of it. See what sorts of looks you get. And yet, as a child, you may have done both of these things.

Roll down a hill. Twirl around until you're dizzy.

Listen to what the neighbors say about you.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:06 PM

The possibilities of 'discovering' something while excavating ruins has always captured the imaginations of people. For some, it's the thought that these ancient cultures had 'secrets' about stuff. For others, it's that they knew some stuff we don't. While I understand that a certain amout of derision (laughter) is to be expected from discussions of this sort, folks, we just don't know it all.

We are technically (read technologically) advanced. About that there is no question. However, that doesn't make our ancestors 'dumber' than us. As Rapaire pointed out, people develop and embrace technologies that help them go about the day-to-day events of life. If it doesn't help, it quickly becomes yesterday's news.

A few years ago I found a way to predict the squares of numbers. But I don't know enough about mathematics to know if it's good for anything. I doubt I ever will, because I failed math (geometry, algebra, etc.,) all the way through school. That doesn't mean it is not good for anything; it simply means that the information is in the hands of someone who doesn't understand it.

I don't specifically look in caves or under rocks to seek riches--or maybe I do. But it's not diamonds or gold I seek. It's interesting things. Always has been, and maybe that's why guys like you seek out new songs or new ways to play old songs. What makes a pre-1963 Telecaster better sounding than post-1963 Telecasters? Who discovered the mathematical relationship between a string's length and the note it produces? Useless discoveries to many in this world, but useful and glorious for others.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Cluin
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:46 PM

If you leave your mind open too much, the cat'll drag all kinds of fuzzy junk in there.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:51 PM

Hell's bells, Cluin, I've had so much fuzzy junk in my mind for so long I'm starting to use it to spin yarn.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Cluin
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:54 PM

Me too, Rap. I really wish I could clean out my Temp file and cache and do a defrag of my brain.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:56 PM

Like, uh, um, uh, like, ya know? Yeah. Like, what he said.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:59 PM

Rapaire:

I love the yarns you spin, and

Cluin: I have been a fan of yours for ages. Well, since meeting you on the 'cat. Have a good evening all.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 12:09 AM

I've loved reading this thread!

Aren't we a grand species? I'm so glad we thought to invent language along the way so we can discuss, argue, joke, cajole, and generally rag on each other about all we know, and all the more we don't know.

Keep it up, guys!

By the way, as they mentioned on Richard & Judy (who are themselves the most amazing product of years of evolution gone mad, bless em) if it is indeed Atlantis, they should one day be finding one HELL of a lot of gold around that "Acropolis"...so let's see what comes burping up to the surface, shall we?

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 12:21 AM

As far as Plato's second hand stories about Atlantis, I believe he said beyond the Pillars of Hercules, which are not in the Mediterranean but at the boundary of Gibraltar's strait.

ANyway, the great American mystic Edgar Cayce (a psychic healer and far-see-er) stated that the Atlantean civilization was powered by harnessing harmonic vibrations from a gigantic central crystal.

Find THAT and I'll be delighted to accept the rest of the tale! :D


A

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 01:07 AM

I think Atlantis is way beyond the Pillars of Hercules. The western most point of Europe is the Dingle Penninsula in Ireland. If someone wanted to explore, seems they should look at the piece of land that disappeared into the Atlantic a long time ago. Legend or oral history? Lots of myths about that area! Its no wonder. The beaches are ancient.

d

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 01:31 AM

Atlantis was in fact minute; it could all sit on the head of a pin. Plato was playing with it in the bath one day and he lost it. Some say that it got wedged in his bellybutton, which explains a lot of Plato's navel-gazing in the latter part of his life. Others favour the safer assumption that it got washed away with the suds.

Since then, Greeks took up dredging the bottom of the Med regularly, in hopes of finding it, but all they could come up with was a lot of sponges and the odd amphora from older shipwrecks. So they kept using nets with ever smaller holes, till they damn near cleaned the Med out from fish. Still no Atlantis.

So the wisdom of the Ancients has effectively been lost. Which explains the stupid ways humanity behaves nowadays.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 09:18 AM

Dun an Or! (spelled wrong, I'm certain).

Yes! Atlantis, as it was called by the Greeks, did indeed sit on the Dingle Pennisula! Heavens to Betsey, I've been there, trodden the Sacred Ground, and didn't even know I was!

Dun an Or! The Fort of Gold! It all fits.

And just think -- the part that hasn't fallen into the sea is now a golf course.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 09:27 AM

Dear God, the very thought that those sacred grounds, the hope of humanity for so many, should in modern times be found as merely the 13th hole... what irony! Ph, tempora, oh, mores!! A GOLF course!!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 09:43 AM

Well, that's the Irish for you. Not a care for history or tradition.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Peace
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 10:39 AM

. . . and you'll all be surprised to learn that the Atlantans played it with cubic balls unhindered by gravity. Before you wags go off with this . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: MMario
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 10:52 AM

Amos - are you implying that golfers don't treat their sport with respect, honor and an almost religious fervor?

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Wolfgang
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 06:05 AM

Pedant's corner:

The western most point of Europe is the Dingle Penninsula in Ireland

The people in Iceland would not be amused by this claim. And if Iceland doesn't count (because geographically they are not a part of the continent), then the people on the Faroes would object. However, the people in Portugal think that islands like Ireland and Iceland should not be counted and that therefore...

There are half a dozen (or even more) places putting up signposts with the above claim.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: dianavan
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 11:14 PM

Wolfgang - I didn't think Iceland was part of Europe. Maybe I should have said the European mainland but that doesn't work either. The Faroe Islands? Never considered it before. At any rate, I didn't make it up and have heard it so often that I thought it was generally accepted as fact.

Has anyone ever called you a nitpicker?

d

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Nov 04 - 06:27 AM

He's not a nitpicker, he's the nitpicker's son.
He's only picking nits till the nitpicker comes.

Subject: RE: BS: The 'Open-minded' Find Atlantis
From: Cluin
Date: 25 Nov 04 - 11:19 AM

It's a tedious job, but nobody really wants it.