BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 03:20 AM

From quotationspage.com:

America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.
Oscar Wilde
Irish dramatist, novelist, & poet (1854 - 1900)

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: LadyJean
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 10:46 PM

Mr. Gibson, do you ever tilt your head sideways?
Or are you afraid your narrow mind would fall out of your ear if you did so?

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Conservatism
From: Peace
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 12:39 AM

Do the 12 step program backwards.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 11:19 PM

I just felt like resurrecting this again, if anyone wants to review the 12 step program again.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: pdq
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 08:21 PM

Good sport, Little Hawk. I owe you the first beer.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 08:07 PM

Ha! Good one, there, pdq.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Peace
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 08:00 PM

So WHY spend so much time slagging each other off ?

Whew. For a second I thought there was an aiche in there.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: pdq
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 07:41 PM

Little Hawk is very good at baiting conservatives. In fact, he is a master baiter.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: MMario
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 02:33 PM

of course not - they harness the power of L=space!

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 02:33 PM

Actually my wife is a librarian and she is really the only one who can tell me "ssshhhhhh!!" and get away with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: GUEST,Agatha the Librarian
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 02:24 PM

NO ONE can overcome librarians!

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: MMario
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 02:21 PM

I keep reading the title of this thread as "Overcoming Librarians"

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 02:06 PM

When you could be playing the 1oo post game with the Non Extremists !!

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 02:05 PM

So WHY spend so much time slagging each other off ?

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 02:04 PM

And a Few Fewer extremists in here would not come amiss either ,

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 02:03 PM

The ONLY problem ANY WHERE is Extremism and Extreme Liberalism is NO better than any other extreme .

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 01:39 PM

conservative trout like worms as bait.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 01:08 PM

What! You accuse me of stereotyping???? Next you'll be accusing me of Shatner-worship!!!

Heh! Yes, I can be pretty unscrupulous sometimes when it comes to baiting conservatives...

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 12:59 PM

That's stereotyping Little Hawk. It's even bigoted and intolerant.

Many conservatives I'm sure enjoy kung pao chicken.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 12:49 PM

Pita bread is a great idea. So are tacos and enchiladas. It is well known that liberals go for stuff like that, which is another good reason to be liberal! Conservatives go for ribs, steak, and baked potatoes, and so do a lot of liberals, but they don't insist upon it even at breakfast. Conservatives run screaming from restaurants that serve exotic food with strange names that they haven't heard of before. They say helplessly..."But...don't you have any burgers here?"

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 10:16 AM

I thought pita bread was more of a Greek thing?

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: pdq
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 05:08 PM

Pita bread is used by people from the Middle East.

They stuff it with things like bits of French-fried goat and garbanzo beans.

It's called an 'awful'.

In some places you can get a half an 'awful'.

Most places will only sell you a 'full awful'.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:32 PM

Yeah, brucie. I like a gyros on PETA bread.

Do you say "ji-ro"?

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:30 PM

PETA is a kinda bread. It's like two thin pancakes joined around the edges. It forms a hollow pocket inside that ya can stuff with what turns your crank--NOT THAT!

Anyway, that's what I gotta say. (I know no one will be gauche enough to correct my spelling.)

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:24 PM

I would think that Hilary dolls come with male genitalia.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:21 PM

What kind of explosives do people use to blow them up? Maybe they consider it a safety hazard.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:18 PM

And.....continue blocking the sale and manufacture of Hillary Clinton blow-up dolls!!!!!!

The most friggin' important point of them all, eh guys?

I've been unable to obtain one for love or money. Even on Ebay.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:14 PM

Thank you LarryK!

Great reading!

Mazel Tov!

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:10 PM

12 Step program to becoming an insignificant fringe group.

1. Admit you are a liberal.   The last politician to do it was George McGovern and he lost 49 states.   

2. Continue to criticize the administration but offer no actual plan on what you would do differently.   (hint- go to my website is not an actual plan)

3. Make Howard Dean the head of your party.

4. Publicize Michael Moore, Barbra Streisand, Al Franken, and Susan Sarandon.   Make sure Moore gets a seat of honor at the convention.

5. Pay Al Sharpton (and no other candidtate)to prmote the democratic party. Give him a prime speech at the convention.

6. Continue to recount votes in Ohio (note- the electoral college has already voted in Bush and Chaney)

7. while you on it, continue to fight the Florida 2000 election- make sure to say Bush was selected- not elected.   (note- we didn't need a recount in Florida this year did we)

8. Continue to tell the public that the economy is the worst ever. Keep pushing pessimism.   When the third quarter number come out and say we grew the GNP at 3.9% (above expectations) tell people how they are really lousy jobs.

9. Continue to have people move from the northeast to the South and Southwest.   By 2010 Florida will surpass NY in electoral votes and NC will surpass NJ.   That means, blue states get smaller, and red states get bigger. 9 of the 10 fastest growing states are Red.   The only fast growing blue state is Delaware- whoppdy doo.

10. Ignore moderates like Liebeman, Evan Bayh, and Bill Richardson.   Make sure they don't get any prime time appearances at conventions.

11. Continue the fight whether to move to the left or the center. Have the Howard Dean/Move on.org/Michael Moore faction fight with the Bill and Hillory faction and fight with the Kerry/Kennedy faction.   Have one faction split off and form their own party.

12.   Finally.....nominate Hillary Clinton for president in 2008.

Follow these simple steps and the democratic party can soon be the next green party, or progressive party, or independant party, or earth party, or slumber party.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: GUEST, Mikefule
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 12:59 PM

Unless I missed it, it seems no one answered the valid question: "What is PETA?"

PETA is a pressure group/charity, "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals" that campaigns on a number of animal welfare issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:20 AM

Chongo, you're not going to the Kosher slaughterhouse. what you are describing is the gdempte goyishe slaughterhouses.

But they won't let your hariy body in unless you completely wrap it in saran wrap. Kosher is quality, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:12 AM

Yeah, but you ain't given up hotdogs yet, Martin. Any weak sister can smoke dope...but it takes a man with real guts to scarf down a hotdog every couple'a days. I got a pal who used to work in the slaughterhouses, and, believe me, after what he seen there he won't even go near 'em anymore! Hotdogs, I mean. I'm the kind who figures what I don't know won't hurt me, but every now and then that theory don't hold up so good. Know what I'm sayin'?

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 10:43 AM

Amos, I was one of your type once. I grew up. Gave up dope, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 07:47 PM

Nothing moderate about ya, Martin!! Our way of life never used to include gratuitous invasions! At least not very often.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 12:51 PM

First of all, I am not a right winger as I have claimed all along. I am an independent moderate but find the extreme left wing is usually a bunch of whiners who can't fit into society, and want to tear down American society and our way of life.

The biggest American critics here it seems are mostly non-Americans who actually have little or no impact with their views. but they sure like to use our products and will come running to us for protection.

Grab, please grab a toothbrush or go see a dentist.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: freda underhill
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 08:46 AM

The 12 Suggested Steps of Neocons Anonymous

1.        We admitted we were powerless over the globe--that Iraq had become unmanageable.

2.        Came to believe that a process more honest than ourselves could restore us to democracy.

3.        Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of the Law as it limits and contains us.

4.        Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

5.        Admitted to the press, to the people of Iraq and to the people of the world the exact nature of our wrongs.

6.        Were entirely ready to have the voters remove all the defectives in our government.

7.        Humbly asked the Treasury to remove our payroll.

8.        Made a list of all persons we had harmed, (several volumes in length) and became willing to make amends to them all.

9.        Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

10.        Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

11.        Sought through reading, listening and asking to improve our conscious contact with reality, as we try to comprehend it, praying only for knowledge of the people's will for us and the democracy to carry that out.

12.        Having had a moral awakening as the result of these steps, we try to carry this message to neocons, to help them heal and to practice new principles of justice and humility in all our affairs.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Grab
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 05:28 AM

Grab, as a typical whiner, you just have to have an answer for everything.

I'm afraid so. There's this thing we liberals have called "debate" where we present our beliefs, back them with facts (see point 2), and use facts to refute the other person's argument. I'm very sorry that I threw your list back at you with interest and you were unable to come up with an adequate response - I hadn't realised that your beliefs were so threadbare and indefensible that even you couldn't justify them. I should have followed Mark Twain's advice: "Never have a battle of wits with an unarmed man."

Piers, I should have used the word "technically" when calling the British government "socialist". Point was that you can be centre-right politically and still have the word "socialist" on your party literature.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 04:33 AM

Nice to be on the same side Little Hawk, - I had better disclaim any authorship of the nifty 'infancy...maturity' quote though - as far as I know the WW1 French Prime Minister (or was it President?) Georges Clemenceau was the one who first said that.

Excellent - a Frenchman dead on the money. That should piss off the (stupid) Americans even more.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 12:47 AM

LH asks What is PETA?

It's the way English folks pronounce a certain man's name.

You are going to have to rob PETA to pay PAUL

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 12:23 AM

Thanks, LH. Yer quite a fine gentleman yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 12:16 AM

Awww, fer Chrissakes...LOLOLOL...I love this forum! Every day I get my laugh therapy here. And laughter is very good for physical and psychological health, even spiritual health as a matter of fact.

First of all, Ooh-Ahh, you may be a man I have fought with over spiritual matters more times than I can count, but...thanks for that marvelous post! "America - the only country in history to pass from infancy to senility without ever achieving a period of maturity..." Yowsa! I wish I'd said that! I am gonna save it for good occasions, maybe get a bumper sticker made... ha! ha! ha!

And as usual I enjoy the fine repartee between Martin and Carol and Amos and so on...

I never get mad at people I disagree with about politics anymore. Specially not Martin. Politics is the great divider, and I laugh at it accordingly and refuse to allow it to make me hate people....although I know it has some very serious consequences on people's lives.

I cannot imagine CarolC suffering from penis envy, Martin! Inconceivable. She has no reason to envy anyone, as far as I'm concerned. CarolC is one great gal.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Peace
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 11:20 PM

My favourite hamburger comes from a place in Montreal run by the D'Ilallo family. Went there first when I was playing football--was about 13. Best darned burger a guy could ask for. The family has been in business since 1929.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 06:28 PM

She pays me to let her write my stuff. Maybe I should get her to pay me more.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Amos
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 06:26 PM

(Obviously to overcome liberalism one should study and practice the vocabulary of hateful invective, preferably using Martin as a tutor, as only a Graduate Abusive Personality can truly qualify to have outgrown liberalism.)

A

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 06:01 PM

He is well paid and hardly tapped. On the other hand, I wouldn't be paying too much to the person who wrote your comeback.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 05:56 PM

Martin, you need to fire the guy who writes your material. He's getting predictable.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 05:50 PM

Typical answer coming from a feminist man-hater who suffers from penis envy. You are hereby banished to squat.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 05:44 PM

and like he said, Hitler was a vegetarian.

Hitler was also a man. So how's the sex change operation coming along then?

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 05:19 PM

Kosher hot dogs are not that.

and like he said, Hitler was a vegetarian.

Subject: RE: BS: Overcoming Liberalism. A 12 step Program
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 05:18 PM

I had gathered that Gibson was a right-wing jerk from various other threads, but to agree with this list even jokingly... man...I can't imagine being so stupid. It seems typical of the lame, gum-chewing smart-arse wisecracking that American conservatives substitute for thought... Grab and Little Hawk have nailed this dickhead so thoroughly that I'll content myself with standing back to applaud them. Except that no-one has sufficiently attacked the ludicrous statement that the world is in better environmental state than anytime in recorded history. What kind of deluded wanker could think such bollocks is credible for a moment? No wonder these people have re-elected a President who doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

America - the only country in history to pass from infancy to senility without ever achieving a period of maturity...