BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08

Subject: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:41 PM

Well, a secret memo has surfaced where the Bush administration has plans in shutting down 80% of all US colleges in his second term.

According to the contents of this memo, these colleges are just hotbeds of liberalism and are therefore a threat to the United States.

John Ashcroft, after leaving as Director of Homeland Security, will be in charge of the operation.

When asked how the United States would compete in a world market without an educated working force Mr. Bush responded with "Hunh, are you talkin' to me?".......

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:51 PM

Bobert

Where do you come up with this crap?

Why does your life revolve around it?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 11:02 PM

It doesn't, MG....

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 11:46 PM

Bobert, this is all I found on the subject of any colleges closing:

Rumors of Colleges Closing: True? False?


Do you know of any other sites I can go to get more information?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Amos
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:08 AM

Bobbers:

Did this story have a source (other than yourself alone) that we could share? It would be highly improved thereby.

Sounds like he would do it but it seems unlikely he will or could. A lot of colleges./...


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: LadyJean
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:28 AM

Have you sent this to Snopes? They're marvellous for checking out rumors. While you're at Snopes, check out the picture of the queen with the Scottish officers. It's a howl!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: number 6
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:35 AM

They'll be no need for all those colleges. All the high paying skilled job requirements will be off shore. You don't need a university education to work at WalMart, Home Depot or McDonalds.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Pauline L
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 03:05 AM

Number 6 is so right.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Hrothgar
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 03:49 AM

The whole thing is unlikely because Dubya can't count up to 80%.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 07:13 AM

Any chance of an 80% cut in college kid movies?

I know you did last semester in Porkies 5 - the revenge......

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 09:50 AM

Notre Dame? Hebrew Union? Bob Jones U.? Oral Roberts? MIT? Culver-Stockton? Juilliard? BYU?

I mean, I don't really care about the University of Miami, but William and Mary or UVa Charlottesville might distress me some.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Kim C
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 09:56 AM

Hahahaha. Very funny. Not.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 09:59 AM

Dunno, Bobert. This sounds so unbelievable that it just seems like another Bush Bash. There are so many real threats to get concerned about. Seems like it would be better to focus on them than wild rumors like this. This ain't going to happen.

And I can't stand Bush and consider him realllll dangerous.

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 10:02 AM

Bobert is just scraping the bottom of the barrel with his obsession.

Why don't you and Amos get together and try to design some wallpaper? Or count railroad ties between stations?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 10:13 PM

Bobert,

I believe it!!

(Whoops, sorry. There's that damn faith-based crap again!)

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 10:26 PM

Besides, Bobert, it ain't needful. The stuff taught these days is so watered-down and dumbed-down that it's insipid at best.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 10:42 PM

Ahhhhh, Martin, you'll be happy to know that Amos and I have started the Acme Wallpaper Company and have come up with several exciting new lines...

You'll love our Dumba line. Under the correct light Dumba looks as if he's actually drooling.

I'm sure you'll also be interested in our Martin Gibson line. Makes George Carlin look like a Boy Scout...

Other lines were working on: The Condi Rice porno line (come on and admit that she's a hottie fir a facist), the Dummsy line that emmits a foul odor and the Cheney WMD line... Stay tuned for those exciting releases...

Oh, speaking of releases, would you mind if we borrowed the odor emmision aspect of the Dummsy line for the Martin G line... It really would help it along....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 10:44 PM

LOL. You should call it the Comdom Rice line.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 09:56 AM

Sounds like a special recipe from a very twisted secret cathouse somewhere. Boobie Be
A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: DougR
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 07:32 PM

Bobert: I think you have April Fool mixed up with Happy New Year.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 08:03 PM

Danged calendar... Don't make 'um like they used to... Sorry, Dougie and Happy Groundhog Day, Big Guy...

Bobert

p.s. Sorry... I forgot to tell ya about the DougR line of wallpaper which is a nice compliment, no, make that agreeable, with the Dumba line... It was Amos's idea so you'll have to tahnk him....

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: dianavan
Date: 01 Jan 05 - 12:08 AM

Ah Bobert - just wonderin' if the Martin G line includes the paste or do we have to use shit to make it stick to the walls?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 01 Jan 05 - 11:46 AM

Bush is opposed to public education. He is a product of private schools and derived much of his education through contacts he had through his father and grandfather (a board of trustees member at Yale). Bush is not an intellectual personality and has disdain for this kind of thing. He, in a way, can be said to be a leader of the cult of stupidity. It's in his pattern to eschew learning as being valuable. He prefers the role of failed businessman and "wag the dog" president. (He created a war so that he can be commander-in-chief. He relishes mangling the english language as a badge of honor.Many citizens identify with this and have kept him in office not because of his accomplishments but more because of his "identity". There is a mood in the country of anti-education and anti-intellectualism that many are brandishing as kind of a populist sword by which they are cutting off their own legs. Bush's pandering to the lunatic religious fringe which now speak for much of congress will ensure that a decent education will not be available to most Americans.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 05 - 12:05 PM

Ah, GUEST Frank, I attended a parochial grade school, a Catholic high school, a Catholic college, and got a graduate degree from a private University. I have gone to three public universities as well, but graduated from none of them.

My wife attended Catholic grade school, high school, college, and graduate school. She received her law degree from a state school.

My friend Peggy attended Catholic grade school, high school, college, and graduate school.

My friend Ben attended public grade school, public high school, a Yeshiva, Hebrew Union College, and got a doctorate from Yeshiva University.

None of them distains state-supported schools. And I could name others.

It's not W's educational background. It's W.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: GUEST,Visitor
Date: 02 Jan 05 - 03:15 PM

A few of you have serious problems that you need to see someone about. You have no personal relationship with the President, you probably have never even listened to more than a 1 minute sound bite of the man, and yet you profess to knowing that he is either dangerous, dumb, or both.

The big difference is that if a Clinton opponent had said a similar negative thing about Clinton, they said it as a joke. You guys aren't joking. Another big difference between Clinton and Bush is that Clinton went for absolute victory, including rubbing it in his opponents' faces, if he could. Remember the incident where the Republicans had to get off the back of Air Force One? There are plenty of other examples I could cite of how Clinton rubbed his victories in the GOP's faces. No wonder they wouldn't let the impeachment mess go without taking it as far as possible.

Now, if you want to be angry, jaded people like Michael Moore, we can't stop you, but most people aren't going to pay much attention to you until become more than the angry, bitter opposition; you'll have to come up with a whole alternative philosophy and persuade us that following your approach will get us to a better place than where Bush is leading us. Right now you guys have nothing close to a coherent, positive message that competes with Bush & the GOP.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Jan 05 - 03:28 PM

we competed 49+% worth..*grin*...and last time it was 50+%....a few more reasonably counted votes in Florida, and Bushbaby would be a distant, weird blip on the radar by now.

Bush's 'wins' were hardly an overwhelming statement.

And the opinions about his basic competence are not exactly confined to disgruntled Mudcat regulars.

Of COURSE it will require some rethinking of strategy to retake the helm in the country, but the way Bush & Co. are doing some things, that may not be as hard as it looks.

and G.W. Bush IS dangerous, dumb in several important areas, and dreadfully lacking in basic empathy for common folks..

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Jan 05 - 03:39 PM

But on the positive side, shutting down 80% of colleges will do wonders for increasing military recruitment.

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 02 Jan 05 - 06:39 PM

BTW, discouragement of intellectualism and disdain for learning is also an aspect of fascism. Adhering to a strict party line with abuse for those who disagree is totalitarianism associated with fascism. Book burning, and gutting of educational institutions also follow.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 05 - 06:58 PM

From a Providence paper:

Robert Kuttner: Fear Bush, not 'the government'

01:00 AM EST on Sunday, January 2, 2005

Next year, 1.3 million college students will receive reduced Pell grants for college aid. Another 89,000 currently eligible students will get no aid at all. These cuts will save the Bush administration about $300 million -- a small part of what it needs to pay for its tax cuts and military forays.

Here's how Terry W. Hartle, vice president of the American Council on Education, characterized the situation to The New York Times: "Season's Greetings from Uncle Sam," Hartle said sarcastically. "Your student-aid stocking is going to be a little thinner this year."

Excuse me. It isn't Uncle Sam playing Scrooge. It's the Bush administration.

I've noticed a pattern here. The Bush administration makes a concerted effort to disparage "the government." That's not surprising; this administration believes in cutting taxes, mostly on the wealthy, and reducing services to everyone else. The less confidence people have in government, the easier it is to sell tax cuts.

But what is distressing is that people who should know better -- even advocates of public services -- are falling into the trap of confusing "the government" with a particular administration and its policies.

Mr. Hartle, repeat after me: "Season's Greetings from President Bush. . ."

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jan 05 - 08:46 PM

Well, ya gotta hand it to him, Amos and others. Bush is doing what every Republican (and a few Dems) presidents have tried to do for the last 60 some years. Kill of the New Deal...

Which, of course, gets us closer to the *old deal*, in which Boss Hog has everything and everyone else nuthin', Jim Crow and, boy of boy, were them the good old days 'er what...

"Hey, Bubba, whatcha wanta do Saturday night? Get drunk 'er string up some commie or nigga? Or maybe we'll just do both..."

Oh yeah. That can't happen to America. Home of brave and land of the free...

Stick yer danged Bushite heads in a history book, will ya... Oh, they've taken that book out of the library?

Heck, pal, thet took the entire library...

Beam me up...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: DougR
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 12:11 AM

Bobert: I think you view yourself as a "progressive" don't you? If so, why do you persist in remaining in the 20th Century? I thought "progressives" (read liberal) prided themselves on being "on the go", ready to improve things, while conservatives dug the heels in and rejected change, but you want to preserve "The New Deal", an idea that expired ages ago.

Bush has introduced an idea that will revolutionize the Social Security Program. Private investment accounts for younger workers that will bring them a larger return on their invested funds than will be possible under the existing program. Who is digging in their heels and determined not to change the existing program that, by all reputable accounts cannot survive beyond 2040 or so? "Progressives!"

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: michaelr
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 12:32 AM

Guest Visitor -- if you can't see that this administration's policies are both dumb and dangerous, those two adjectives apply to you as well.

Doug, you must be independently wealthy. The New Deal was designed to provide a safety net for the poor. To advocate dismantling it is the height of callousness toward those worse off than you.

Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 12:42 AM

Private investment accounts for younger workers that will bring them a larger return on their invested funds than will be possible under the existing program.

Tell that to the people who lost their whole retirement income in the Enron debacle (and the other similar massive bankruptcies we've seen of late). I don't think they would perceive Bush's big Social Security privatization idea as a progressive one. It's just warmed over pre-FDR fleecing of the poor. It's not just non-progressive, it's retrogressive all the way back to the first half of the 1900s.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: GUEST,Biskit~ just passin' through~
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 02:06 AM

"It's a secret memo" really Bobert and how were you privy to this information,..why! I read it on the internet!
oh! I read it in the Rolling Stone, it's GOT to be true! You folks really need to get focused. If you don't like the way thimgs are going, write your elected represnative, form a coalition of like minded people, and air your grievences where it will do some good, whineing on the mud cat and slinging mud won't accomplish anything.
GEEZUS!
~Peace! Through understanding~
~Biskit~

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: GUEST,Biskit~ just passin' through~
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 02:13 AM

Carol C,
The Enron Debacle was on Bill's watch,..the Bush administration just called them on it.
~B~

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 08:44 AM

Biskit,

I've written 100's, maybe 1000's of letters over the last 30 some years. Heck, I write 'um to my congresspeople, other folks congress people, tv ministers, newspapers, etc, etc... And I will continue to do that but it doesn't do mush good when the system is corruprted by rich people.

And, no, Doug, inmmay respects I am not at all progressive by your definition... I would like to see a society that holds the same views on the New Deal, capital punishment and even civil rights that we had when we alected Jimmy Carter. It was a much more caring society than the one we have now...

I am surprised that you call yourself a conservative yet approve of a very radical foriegn policy based on wacking folks who you think might one day want to wack you, even if it is obvious that they neither have tyhe capabilities or the stupidity to do so... There is nothing conservative about that at all... Nor do conservatives like administartions that spend lots more than they got. But I don't hear you complaining about that either...

No, in the big scheme of things I am far more conservative than you!

Just call me a progressive conservative, thank you... Meaning we build on the good..

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 10:01 AM

Maybe Paul Simon had it right "although my lack of education hasn't hurt me none, I can read the writing on the wall"

Why would anyone take this thread seriously?   How about some other threads:

Hillary Clinton to make abortion mandatory if elected
Bob Dole will require all people to have one arm removed
John Kerry will require all future political candidates to have Botox injections
Newt Gingrich will make the newt the state anilmal of Georgia
Senator Bryd will wear his former KKK robes at all senate hearings
Elizabeth Dole will require all schools to only serve pineapple juice
Bill Clinton will have oral sex with an intern and than claim its a right wing conspiracy (sorry- that thread has alread been done)

Just remember- 6 months ago I couldn't spell graduate and now I are one.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Once Famous
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 10:20 AM

Guest, visitor had it completely right! Please hang around as some of us do appreciate your common sense wisdom.

Again, Frank claims to be privy as to what the president thinks and knows. This guy should become his press secretary.

Facism this and facism that. Like a fucking broken record.

Hand wringers of the world.....Unite!

There are 3 or 4 oracles on Mudcat who will lead you to a better socialist America! They have all of the answers to everything about this facist country we live in. Everything except how to keep their own morose and morbid lives happy.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 01:06 PM

The Enron Debacle was on Bill's watch,..the Bush administration just called them on it.

Who cares who was president when it happened? The point is that many people lost their retirement incomes. The point is that if we privatize even part of the Social Security program, many people could find themselves without a retirement income, rather than with more money than they could get from Social Security under Bush's idea for how to change the Social Security system, as DougR has suggested.

BTW, the Bush administration didn't call them on it. The Bush administration helped them cover it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: DougR
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 01:19 PM

If you're looking for misinformation, take a good look at this thread.

Carol C. twists the Bush Administration's handling of the Enron situation from prosecuting those that did wrong, to one of covering up the situation. Covering up? Is there anyone on the Mudcat or even in the United States that does not know about the Enron scandal? Carol's treatment of the history of the stock market is another excellent example. Sure there have been scandals associated with those who invest in the stock market, but there are far more success stories associated with it. Where in the world do you think people get wealth from?

Bobert is another spreader of misinformation. Read the third paragraph of his last message. He doesn't even acknowledge that terrorists blew up the twin towers! He speaks of the terrorists being stupid and unable to mount an attack on a U. S. city. Tell that to the families of those who lost loved ones on 9/11 Robert. You probably feel pretty insulated living there in West-By-God-Virginia, ole friend, and I feel pretty much the same here in Arizona, but to believe they could not, or do not want, to hit us is just plain stupid.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 02:06 PM

oh my! "Private investment accounts for younger workers that will bring them a larger return on their invested funds ...."

will? how about 'might', if they are lucky. As Carol said, Enron shows how easy it is to LOSE it all. Do you think schemers will stop scheming once SS investment comes in?
"Friends!! Put your retirement account in our hands, and watch it grow. You may contact us anytime at our Cayman Islands email address."

Bush & his circle simply have no comprehension of what it feels like to live frugally... and little empathy for those who are not clever enough to be born into a nice conservative Rupublican 'upper' class situation!

"Invest your money!" ...and what about those who will NEVER have enough to invest? The gap grows wider...........

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Pauline L
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 02:24 PM

Yesterday I was at Barnes and Noble and looked at a new book of writings by Nelson Mandela. I've read some of his other writings, so I knew this would be good, but, since the price was $24, I just looked at it in the store. On the subject of education, Mandela wrote of the legacy of the educational system started by Verwoerd (sp?). The latter advocated educating people to a degree consistent with their opportunities. The Bantu, for example, would not need more than an eighth grade education. Maybe Bush is just carrying forward the tradition.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 03:11 PM

My point had nothing whatever to do with culpability for the Enron debacle. It was entirely about whether or not Bush's plan for privatizing all or part of the Social Security program is a good idea. And those who are pushing for that change in Social Security, DougR and Biskit for example, instead of dealing with the merits (or lack thereof) of the point that I did make, are changing the subject and instead trying to turn the discussion into a debate on who bears responsibility for what happened to Enron.

The idea that because there are more successes in the stock market than disasters doesn't address the problems that will come with privatizing Social Security. The stock market is still a crap shoot, even if it is a somewhat less risky crap shoot than some other kinds of gambling.   But it is still gambling. If even one family looses their retirement income because of bad luck in the stock market, that's too many because in reality, it could happen to any of us.

BTW, DougR, the coverup I was referring to happened before the public became aware of the Enron scandal, but during Bush's first term as president. I'd say you're the one who is spreading misinformation about the history of the Enron scandal.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 03:14 PM

Very interesting point, Pauline L.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 05:43 PM

Yeah, DougR, like I said, you Bushites can't even read the English language. Go back to my third papragraph and reread it. I mean, if you are going to try to use soemthing I've written as a jumping off point for a rebuttal then I'd think you'd at least read what you are rebutting.

If you'd like, you can cut and paste both what I wrote in the 3rd paragraph (in its entirety) and then your posted rebuttral (in its entirity)...

If you will do just that and nothing more then I will "rest my case" without a single other word posted on that particular point on the remainer of this thread... Fair enough?

BTW, I hear that the ACME reading correspondance course is being offered again... I've signed up for the typing class mayself...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Biskit
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 08:28 PM

CarolC
S'cuse me Ma'am, but you are mistaken, I haven't tried to change any subject what-so-ever,..however you can't just spew accusations and point fingers at will and not expect an oppposing view. I'm sorry it disagrees with your world view. Last time I checked one of our inalienable rights were freedom of speech, but that does not give you the right to make false accusations and not be called on it.
Peace! (through Understanding)
~Biskit~

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 08:31 PM

Doug, the New Deal laws and regulations reined in the rampant corporate abuses and mismanagement that led to the Depression, and they gave the poor working slob (including those who had grown too old to work and who, during their work lives, had not been able to save anything for their retirement—a situation alleviated by the initiation of the Social Security program) a measure of fair treatment for a change. The idea has not expired. In fact, most European countries are way ahead of the United States in programs of this nature, hence the fact that the average European enjoys a richer, fuller life than the average American (you will, of course, dispute this, but that is the consensus of large numbers of world travelers). Reagan explicitly stated that he intended to reverse the programs that were started by FDR, and Bush is dedicated to killing them off entirely, thus returning the United States to the nineteenth century.

Trying to characterize Bush as a "progressive" is ridiculous. Orwellian, in fact.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: Once Famous
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 08:34 PM

Ah, Biskit she's apparently been doing it for years here. Arguing with her is like talking to a wall. At this point, ridicule is just more fun.

As far as Bantu goes, an 8th grade average education is pretty good considering the amount of high tech and professional employment there is in that backwards country. As in, zilch.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 08:46 PM

So which part of my point about privatizing Social Security did you disagree with then, Biskit? Here's the text of the specific post of mine that you were responding to:

Private investment accounts for younger workers that will bring them a larger return on their invested funds than will be possible under the existing program.

--quote from DougR

Tell that to the people who lost their whole retirement income in the Enron debacle (and the other similar massive bankruptcies we've seen of late). I don't think they would perceive Bush's big Social Security privatization idea as a progressive one. It's just warmed over pre-FDR fleecing of the poor. It's not just non-progressive, it's retrogressive all the way back to the first half of the 1900s.

--my response

You didn't address this point at all in your response to my post. All you did was tell me that it happened under the presidency of Bill Clinton. Please, if you can, help me understand how your response has anything whatever to do with my original point that privatizing Social Security is a bad idea because it's too big of a risk to the future retiree and his or her ability to have an income to live on after they retire.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush to shut down 80% of colleges by '08
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jan 05 - 08:52 PM

Personally, I think there are an awful lot of people who, when they see the word Enron, their mind goes blank and the only thing they can think of or say is "Bill Clinton did it". Well, maybe he did (and maybe he didn't), but what in the world has that got to do with whether or not privatizing Social Security is a good or a bad idea?