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Subject: BS: I want a BIG Monitor From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Jan 05 - 05:40 AM Well, what I'd really like is a 42-inch widescreen plasma TV, but I'm not convinced that plasma TV's last long enough to be worth the price. The stores estimate they last five to seven years. But I'd like something for watching widescreen movies. I saw a great 30-inch LCD widescreen at Dell, and I figured it might be an idea to by a TV that I could primarily use as a monitor, wide enough to be able to compare two documents side-by-side without scrolling. But I'm wondering about the quality of the screen image. The TV I'm looking at has 1280x768 native resolution, which sounds just fine for computer work - but would the picture really be sharp enough for computer work? Anybody have advice for me? I guess I'm willing to pay a bit over $1,500 if this is going to be the monitor of my dreams. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Davetnova Date: 20 Jan 05 - 06:02 AM get a projector. Any flat wall large as you like. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 20 Jan 05 - 07:19 AM ... and binoculars ... |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Donuel Date: 20 Jan 05 - 07:45 AM LCD is the way to go. A used/reconditioned HDTV Aquos will still cost a couple grand or more for a great biggie. The best large HD picture in my opinion is the Sony Vega. The best small 19 inch lcd I have ever seen is the Sony with "ultra brite" technology which increases the contrast well above anything else on the market. They only run about $700. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: JohnInKansas Date: 20 Jan 05 - 07:54 AM Things may have changed in the few decades since I last looked, but generally monitors meant for TV presented some problems when you tried to use them for a computer monitor - at least way back when... Since many newer computers do have DVD etc. capabilities, a big computer monitor should be able to display TV. An immediately apparent difference now is that most TV monitors have a different aspect ratio (width/height) than computer monitors, and flat monitors don't like working at anything other than their "native" resolution. For whichever is your "other" use, you may have some blank (unusable) edges. For multiple doc display on your computer, you'd likely be better off with two monitors, and two cheap (smaller) ones might be an improvement over one biggie. WinXP says it's pretty easy to hookup dual monitors, although I haven't had a need to do it. Reasonably priced flat computer monitors get "uneconomical" above about 19" although larger ones are available. PC Magazine's editors gave rave reviews recently to a new HP 19 inch that's "only" about $600. The price isn't much different than others in that size, but the editors seemed to think it has some better than usual features. You might also get some ideas from the Ziff-Davis "Extreme Tech" series of articles on Display Technology. The link is to the fourth, I think most recent, article in the series, but has links to earlier ones. For your recreational side, you might want to check out the ExtremeTech HDTV Buyers Guide. The article has a link to an earlier one with more details on what to look for and how to choose. The link is to an "update" that mostly just gives what's available now. At the big end for computer monitors, I thought I remembered a recent announcement, I think about new a Sony 30 inch. It didn't exactly break the price/size barrier, but it made a small dent and the specs looked pretty good. I can't seem to find the note right now, but the Sony (if that's the right maker) site should have a news release from sometime in the last couple of months. John |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Amos Date: 20 Jan 05 - 09:48 AM Macs will support dual monitors with minimum hassle. It is more complex for W2K or XP. A |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Jan 05 - 10:50 AM I agree--two monitors are a better way to get what you're looking for. I see that arrangement at work all of the time. Folks in the web design and document preparation line (at the university printing press) routinely have two monitors set up. I'm not going to fool with graduated sized televisions or types of tubes or LDC technology. I refuse to buy a television that is so bulky and heavy that I can't move it by myself, but some of these things practically need a reinforced foundation under them, they're so cumbersome. When I get my credit card completely paid off my reward will be to buy myself one of the projectors that is set up to run movies and attach to satellite or cable for regular television viewing. I won't use it instead of a tv, but as you suggest, for watching those movies or programs that I actually sit down and watch from beginning to end. Every year we do a technology fair at my university, and the vendors invariably have a few of these to use in their displays. I've seen some in the $1000 to $1500 range that would work very well in my living room. Get a good screen that will hang unobtrusively from the picture rail on my wall, and when I want to view a film, just lower it and go. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Homeless Date: 20 Jan 05 - 11:27 AM You say you want a big monitor, but it sounds more like you want more resolution. If you want to compare two documents side by side, a 6 foot screen that is limited to 800x600 resolution would be no better than a 15" monitor with the same resolution - the letters and images would be bigger, but you'd seen only the same amount at one time. Conversely, higher resolution will let you see more of each document at once. I've got a 19" monitor that will go up to 2048x1536. At that point I can put two documents side by side, full size, see the entire page, and it is still readable - about the same size as a printed page. You might want to play with the resolutions available to your monitor/video card to see if that will allow you to do what you want. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Jan 05 - 01:02 PM I've always rather liked the idea of a projector using the ceiling for watching films lying in bed. That huge white screen going to waste... |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Jan 05 - 02:02 PM I've wondered how things would work with two monitors - does the mouse move from one to the other, like it would from one window to another on a wide screen? I think I'd rule out the two-monitor solution because it would be a less-than-satisfactory way to watch movies... Same (but opposite) with a projector - great for movies, but it's hard to operate a mouse and keyboard while you're looking at the ceiling. My priority is movies and I love the looks of a movie on Dell's 42-inch screen - but they say the lifetime is 5-7 years, that it has trouble with burn-in, and that the screen brightness diminishes over time. If I could be guaranteed 5 to 7 years (preferably 10) of perfect service, I'd make the leap. My current monitor is a 19-inch CRT, and it does a great job for computing and so-so for movies (it's a bit dim). It doesn't make sense to go to a 20-inch LCD, which is about the biggest monitor I've seen with a workable price. Dell's 30-inch LCD TV with 1280x768 native resolution sounds like it would be good, and sounds like it answers the objections voiced above - but would it? -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Jan 05 - 02:14 PM One solution might be to go for renting instead of buying, at least till the technology has maybe settled down a bit. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: JohnInKansas Date: 20 Jan 05 - 03:35 PM Joe - If you can get the 1024 x 768 resolution on your 19 inch monitor, you can look at everything pretty much the same as it would be on a 1280 x 768 large screen. You just have to sit a little closer. You should be able to get a pretty good "feel" for what you'll see on a larger one, though, just by playing around a little with your present monitor. The dual monitor setups I've seen do "pass the cursor" from one monitor to the other just by moving the mouse. With some really ancient systems you had to click on an icon for the "other monitor," but I think that's pretty much gone away. On your present monitor, as an example, in Word you can click Window - New Window and you'll get the same document in two separate windows. Drag one side of the top window over to make it narrower. Click the other window and drag the opposite edge in, and you should be able to put two windows side by side in your 1024 pixel wide view. Your mouse will move over both, but you will still have to click to make one or the other the "active" window. (I can't say whether the dual monitor setup automatically makes the "other" instance the active one when you move the cursor to that monitor. You may still have to click once.) The "visual feel" should be much the same as you'd see with any larger monitor with a 768 pixel height - you'll just sit a little closer. The extra width of the TV monitor, 1280 px, won't normally be usable when you're in "compute mode" so you can just imagine a gray border on each side. One writer carried by my local newsrag says that most large format TVs are set up for optimum display in the showroom, and that's a long way from what you'll want in your home. If you make a few adjustments - recognizing that the knob marked brightness actually is the gray-scale (color balance) adjustment and the knob marked contrast really controls the brightness, etc. - you'll probably end up with significant reserve in the knob settings. That will let you turn things up when the picture starts to fade, and also probably minimizes burn-in. It's not really clear whether the life figures quoted are for factory settings or for correct home viewer settings. To some extent, with the Liquid Crystal displays, I'm told that a "burned in" area can sometimes be "burned out" just by displaying a moving scene over it for a while, so the edges that show up when you've watched a few movies that don't match the screen aspect ratio can be "faded" out just by watching a few full screen displays. I don't know whether the same effect applies to Plasma displays. It really is the pixels that count, not just the screen size. Get as big a screen as is reasonable, and just get a cozy love seat so you can sit up closer for the movies (unless you're watching football with the guys). or maybe if you are.... John |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Jan 05 - 04:12 PM Joe, I have two monitors, but I don't use them at the same time. For several years I used a ViewSonic flatscreen A95f. This is the description from the ViewSonic site:
0.25mm aperture grille [at center] 0.27mm aperture grille [at corner] This ultra-fine aperture grille pitch produces clear, crisp images with rich, vivid color, even at the highest resolutions. 1600x1200 maximum resolution Displays a maximum resolution of 1600x1200 at 77Hz flicker-free refresh rate for easy-on-the-eyes viewing. 1600x1200 @ 77Hz 1280x1024 @ 89Hz 1152x870 @ 104Hz 1024x768 @ 118Hz As you can see, it has much higher resolution than what you're dealing with. It looks great, and I bought this specifically for doing web design. It was about $400 and something comparable today probably costs less. I am not using it right now because it takes up a lot of space and I wanted to rearrange my office. I am using a smaller Dell flat panel LCD screen (1280 x 1024), a reject from when we bought a new computer just over a year ago. It had one pixel that wasn't displaying properly. Dell replaced it and said not to send this one back. So I use it. It doesn't let me look at as many documents simultaneously, but when they're reduced a little I can still see them side by side. When I viewed documents on the highest resolution on the 19' CRT the print was very small. The more detail you fit in the screen, after all, the smaller it all is, even if it is clear. Yes, to your questions about mousing between the screens. Your computer knows which monitor is on the right and the left (you need a special card to set this dual monitor system up, unless you're using a Mac, which I think is already equipped) and the computer acts like what ever spans the two screens is moving across a small space. I agree, I wouldn't try to watch movies on it. Movies on my big 19" CRT monitor look fabulous; it's the best screen in the house for movies (so far). I got a DVD player with the computer because I knew I'd have the great looking monitor. All of this equipment is about 4 years old. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Cluin Date: 21 Jan 05 - 12:52 AM Here ya go. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Jan 05 - 12:55 AM Admittedly, I'm returning to this thread after reading it about 8 hours ago. Since no one has posted since I last posted about my ViewSonic monitor, I'm really confused as to why Cluin is posting a link to a page about Komodo Dragons? Too much rum in my coke this evening, I guess. I thought this thread was about computer monitors. . . |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Jan 05 - 01:03 AM Um. . .which is NOT the same thing as a monitor lizard. Blame the naturalist in me. I would never confuse the two. The moment I hit "submit message" the possible answer dawned on me. Lizard illiteracy. It's a sad thing, Cluin. But there it is. Get help as soon as possible. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Amos Date: 21 Jan 05 - 01:04 AM Cluin provided us with a page dealing with BIG monitors. Monitor Lizards. The moral is, be careful what you think about!!LOL A |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Jan 05 - 01:12 AM The Komodo is an isolated species, and while the page says "Komodo Monitor" (I went back and looked), the lizard typically referred to as a Monitor lizard actually is something else. This is a blurring of the naturalist boundaries. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Amos Date: 21 Jan 05 - 01:24 AM Isolated? Winters, C. 1999. "Varanus komodoensis" (On-line), Animal Diversity Web. -=- http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Varanus_komodoensis.html. claims it is a monitor. I don't get it. A |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Jan 05 - 05:55 PM I was speaking from a standpoint of distribution. Komodo dragons are huge (the reason it was posted, certainly) but they occur on a few islands and are not typical of the "regular" monitor lizards in the clan. In the vernacular they're called Komodo Dragons. I recognized type of lizard (Komodo) in the photo and didn't read the site to see more about it (the linkage to the monitor family). It's a case of sorting versus lumping, and skipping over a site without careful reading. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: JohnInKansas Date: 22 Jan 05 - 02:51 AM After some few second thoughts (or seconds of thought) on the matter, my conclusion is that even before the thread drift Joe was less than fully successful with this thread. It's quite obvious that he was hoping we'd give him some support to justify that 42 inch super plasma he's going to get anyway. (We know he wants it.) If we're not going to help him out, at least we could turn the drift in a more interesting direction - like: W.h.a.t.'.s. i.t. r.e.a.l.l.y. g.o.n.n.a. c.o.s.t. J.o.e t.o. l.i.v.e. t.h.r.o.u.g.h .s.p.e.n.d.i.n.g a.l.l. t.h.a.t. m.o.n.e.y. a.n.d. w.h.a.t. g.o.o.d.i.e.s. i.s. .h.e. g.o.n.n.a. g.e.t. h.e.r. t.o. m.a.k.e. i.t. a.l.l. o.k.a.y.? (Maybe he really even needs it.) How about some volunteer testimonials: "I spent $$$$$$ and survived by ....." John |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 22 Jan 05 - 09:51 AM Maybe I'm missing the point here, but Joe. why do you want a Commode Monitor? Are you getting tha told? :P |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Jan 05 - 12:19 AM As John points out, if this is to simply justify the 42" monitor, then I can't help. They're not durable enough and don't have a long track record, not for me, anyway, to spend the kind of money you're looking at. When I spoke to someone about the projector (my version of your dream monitor. . .) I was told that it doesn't work well for gaming (PS2, Game Cube, X-Box). That was never my plan, and I told the person so. He said that games would be hard on it. So my suggestion to Joe is to find out if the use as a monitor (lots of repetitive or possible burn-in of regular images) is going to shorten the life of this very expensive device? A life that wasn't all that long to begin with. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Joe Offer Date: 23 Jan 05 - 02:32 AM I don't think I can justify the 42-inch monitor, either - for exactly the reasons SRS gives. They're supposed to last five to seven years, and to lose brightness fairly quickly. So, my alternative was a Dell 30-inch LCD "High-Definition Ready" television ("HD Ready" means it doesn't have a HDTV tuner). LCD televisions are supposed to be similar to cathode ray tubes in longevity, and they're not subject to burn-in (LCD projection TV's have both lifespan and burn-in issues). But to make this investment really worthwhile, I want to use the LCDTV as a computer monitor. Its native resolution is 1280 x 768. that's the same resolution I currently use on my 19-inch CRT monitor. Is the wider screen going to make for a much fuzzier image? Response time is 25 ms., and I don't know if that's good or bad. So, anyhow, it sounds really good. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Jan 05 - 02:42 AM I know almost nothing about this subjsetct! but from waht i've heard and read. Sony are among the best, f not The best. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Jan 05 - 11:55 AM Joe, Think about it. 1280 x 768 is the number of pixels, right? That's not very much. If you have a bigger screen monitor the edges of the pixels are going to be more visible to you. It's going to mean more scrolling sideways. If I were you I'd go to someplace like CompUSA and ask someone with some tech savvy to explain how monitors are built when compared to TVs. I bought the monitor I did (see the resolutions above-- a lot bigger than 1280 x 768) because I thought I would watch movies on it, and I do occasionally. And it was great for web design, but it is a heavy sucker. You can get a high resolution monitor and a receiver to plug into the computer to use it to watch tv (and cable or satellite). That's easily done these days (I have one of those devices to put into Moonglow's computer, as soon as I move the computer table across the room so we don't have to deal with coaxial cable stretched across the room to reach it from the satellite receiver). I think you'll either end up with a traditional monitor and the computer receiver, or end up with a monitor and a separate big TV. What I think they WON'T recommend is using a TV as a monitor--they won't display as well and they have a noticable "flicker." Here is some information that compares monitors and televisions. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Big Al Whittle Date: 23 Jan 05 - 06:56 PM If their toothpaste is anything to go by, ultra brite will take a lot of beating. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: GUEST,Jon Date: 23 Jan 05 - 07:15 PM Joe, is 1280 x 768, your normal CRT monitor setting? I use 1024 x 768 which is a 4:3 ratio. 1280 x 768 (5:3) sounds more like a wide screen format to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Jan 05 - 02:41 AM You're right, John - my normal setting on my CRT monitor is 1024 x 768. Well, I took the jump and ordered the monitor/TV tonight. I did use Windows on a display model of the monitor I'm getting, and I was impressed with what I saw. If it doesn't work well as a monitor, I still have a darn nice TV. Wish me luck. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: GUEST,Jon Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:09 AM Yeh, good luck. I think if you have had it demoed, it's probably passed the test anyway and you have ordered but fwiw: I think a lot of the pixel resolution vs screen dimensions comes down to our own eysights and what we are comfortable with. My monitor will do a lot more than 1024 x 768 but things start getting too small for me much above that. In fact when my 17" monitor blew, I went to a 19" to feel that bit more comfortable using the same resolution rather than to enable me to use higher resolutions and fit more stuff on the page. I suppose a way to look at the question you asked before would be to try to work out the number of pixels there would be per inch of screen. I'm assuming all monitor measurements are the diagonal, that you see the whole screen (viewable area is a bit smaller) and have used the figures you gave me. On a 19" at 4:3 we have a screen of 15.2 x 11.4. At 1024 x 768, that gives (horizontal and vertical) 67.37 pixels per inch. On a 30" at 5:3 (I think a lot of wide screens are 16:9 btw) we have a screen of 26.2 x 14.7. At 1280 x 768, that gives (h & v) 49.76 pixels per inch. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 24 Jan 05 - 06:50 PM I can still remember the days when people used to use an old (small) TV for their computer monitor.... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Jan 05 - 06:20 PM You want a REALLY BIG monitor? Order a gross of TViagra. That usually does the trick, they say. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 25 Jan 05 - 07:51 PM That was a gross comment LH.... |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Joe Offer Date: 26 Jan 05 - 12:39 PM Well, I got it. I ordered it Sunday, and it was shippped Monday and arrived Tuesday. I spend hours setting it up - it was a bit of a hassle finding a video card driver for my Sony computer that would display in widescreen resolution. I had to update the BIOS of my video card. It was about 1 AM by the time I finished. Jon's assessment was about right. Most things are wonderful on the display, but I guess I have to admit I am a little dissapointed by the way text looks. It's about what it's like when you use 640 x 480 resolution on a regular monitor. If I take my glasses off, it looks terrific. Maybe I'll just switch back to lower-power glasses. Two great improvements are the way I see images at the Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads Website, and at the Lester Levy Sheet Music Collection - I can read documents at both sites easily now, and I have room for a second window for transcribing what I find at those sites. So, we'll see. This new monitor has lots of advantages. I may switch to something slightly smaller, or I may resolve the monitor's shortcomings by moving it farther away from me. I could mount it on the wall behind my desk, and still be able to see it easily. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Jan 05 - 01:45 PM Joe, I switch back and forth between my monitors (never using them simultaneously). You may find that depending on your task, you are more comfortable using one over the other. I don't do a hot switch, I wait until the computer is off before trading them out. You probably can do a hot switch with XP. You are in theory supposed to be able to with the Win2000Pro OS, but it doesn't work as neatly as I'd like it to. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jan 05 - 02:32 AM Well, now that I've had it for a couple of days, I have to say that I love this 30-inch widescreen monitor. I had to learn how to use it, and now it's grand. My problem was that I was sitting too close to it. I moved it all the way to the back of my desk, and I can't believe how much work space I have. I set the Internet Explorer font size to "larger" (second position), and letters don't come out jagged and I can see them comfortably from three feet away, which is a comfortable distance. I also had to fiddle with brightness and contrast - the factory settings were too bright. It also helps not to have the room too dark. So, yeah, I think this is going to be just ducky. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: GUEST,Jon Date: 28 Jan 05 - 05:03 AM Glad you seem to have it working to your satisfaction. Being able to view the sites you mention with another window open does sound like particularly good news. I'm interested in the 2 monitors ideas but I simply do not have the space here and occasions I might find it useful are rareish. My laptop can be accomodated on the front of my desk though. Maybe next time I have a larger web task, I will try doing the programming on my desktop and use the laptop to view the results. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Ebbie Date: 27 Aug 10 - 02:08 AM Joe, that was back in 2005. How long did that monitor last? Recently you have mentioned that you have a 32-inch monitor- different one? |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Amergin Date: 27 Aug 10 - 02:46 AM Basically, you have a 720 p hd tv/monitor....since you are not going to be sitting 15 to 20 feet away, it should be fine. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Aug 10 - 04:06 AM Well, that 2005 monitor/TV didn't last very long. Sometimes, I had to turn it on and off again ten times to get a picture. During the first year, I tried all sorts of remedies the Dell techs gave me, but nothing worked. They sent me another TV, and it had exactly the same problem. I kept bugging them after the one-year warranty had expired. I found out on the Dell customer forum that many, many people had the same problem. Eventually, Dell started replacing the defective monitors with a newer, 32-inch model. I contacted Dell again, and they said they'd send me another monitor as a "one-time exception." Well, the new monitor had HDMI and a lot of other nice features, and it has worked quite well. I did have a bout of non-operation after a lightning storm, but I got it working again after some fooling around. I'm afraid to unplug it from my UPS, because unplugging it means I have to do a reset to get it working again. But most of the time, it works very well. And hey, it cost me only something like $2,000 for my 32-inch monitor. That's what I get for being an "early adopter." -Joe- P.S. I don't think Dell makes TVs any more. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Aug 10 - 11:17 AM Now you can get a very nice Hewlett Packard HDMI monitor for a few hundred dollars. I use a HP2709m that I bought for just under $400 last fall. It's a pleasure to work on and if I want to pop a DVD into the player I can watch it in a small box or can play it full screen and it looks fabulous. I use my regular computer speakers, I don't use the monitor's speakers, so I can't report on the sound quality. My son built his computer that he took to school and we shopped around for a monitor. Since I had a good LCD flatscreen monitor he could take but he didn't want to, I told him to use some of his gift money and buy his own. We shopped the HP monitors and then found one that worked even better for his dorm room - a 23" Samsung for about $299 that is both a monitor and if you attach an antenna or a cable, is also a tuner. He doesn't plan to use this as a TV, they have one of those also in the room, but this means he can attach his various game players to his monitor and play them (Wii, XBox 360). SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Bill D Date: 27 Aug 10 - 02:42 PM "How old ARE you, Bill?" "Oh, I'm so old I remember when I at least was aware of all the new technology, whether I could afford it or not. Now stuff appears, gets used by some and becomes obsolete before I ever hear about it." |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Aug 10 - 05:10 PM Bill is in a different time warp from the rest of us. So, Bill, can you tell us when you stopped using Windows 3.1? Seems like only yesterday... |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Amergin Date: 27 Aug 10 - 05:18 PM That's ok....Amos still uses Apple II....though if he needs to log onto the mudcat to brag about his Mac use, he uses a notebook with Windows ME. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Bill D Date: 27 Aug 10 - 05:20 PM I stopped using it regularly 12-14 years ago,.. *grin*. ( along with my Win98 PC.)I still have it downstairs, if I could find a mouse that works with it...(multi-pin connector) I also have a dual set of SCSI Syquest drives in working order for it! That is one of the things that showed me that ya' gotta be careful what hardware ya' invest in. Those 'huge' 300meg cartridges would fill up in minutes these days. Oh...and the hamsters say hello from their little cottage on the shore... |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Bill D Date: 27 Aug 10 - 05:36 PM to be clear...I jumped from 3.1 to win 98, skipping 95, ME,2000, ..etc...then to XP... I always wait a couple years to see what those I trust say. Thus, I ...ha,ha, ha...missed Vista. I 'may' install Win 7, which came on a disk when I got my backup XP. I seriously doubt I will ever go beyond 7, as the plans look like more & more incompatibility with all my coveted software... |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Aug 10 - 12:03 PM Incompatibility is already here, despite the supposed backward compatibility. Win7 simply refuses to install stuff it can't work with. That said, it has some really excellent features. I'd keep an older computer with the older OS and favored software for occasional use and join the rest of us in the pool with the new OS. It is interesting what you can do with this system. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: Bill D Date: 28 Aug 10 - 05:00 PM Boy, do I have a lot of older 'favored' software. Some of it is just toys that doesn't need an internet connection, but some very important parts of MY setup are involved in security, filtering web activity, and specialty downloading techniques. I do not wish for M$ to decide that those are obsolete, and that THEY will 'manage' everything I need. I am playing with Linux, just in case. |
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Subject: RE: BS/Tech: I want a BIG Monitor From: olddude Date: 28 Aug 10 - 05:07 PM Hold off buying one Joe and let me check ... I think we are ditching one we used in a conference room .. I will get back to you on tuesday. if so you just have to pick it up |
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