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GUEST,ThreadBear 23 Jan 05 - 03:57 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 23 Jan 05 - 04:07 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 23 Jan 05 - 04:11 AM
GUEST,ThreadBear 23 Jan 05 - 04:13 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 23 Jan 05 - 04:15 AM
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GUEST,ThreadBear 23 Jan 05 - 04:26 AM
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Subject: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST,ThreadBear
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 03:57 AM

Yeah, onceth Joe Offer rises from his bed and sleeps the wipe out of his eyes this thread will be "threadbare"

Sir jOhn from Hull, you are too extinguished a fellow to do character assassinations. They are below you!

And just remember, you are a CHARACTER!

(Wordplay for Teresa's benefit). Gee, would wordplay before the beginning of a sentence be foreplay?

Poof, like magic, the thread disappeared!

Durn! Joe woke up sooner than I thought. He must be an Insomeniach.

Help me with the spelling of a person that can't sleep Sir jOhn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 04:07 AM

Can't speak my mind on this or I'll be banned!

from Joe[via PM]="any more personal attacks on Martin Gibson, and I'll Block your access to Mudcat"!

Martin Gibson is a fine guy, and an asset to mudcat, I wished he'd joined years ago, he's great.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 04:11 AM

PS=my mind is not closed, neither was my thread, it was deleted, big difference!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST,ThreadBear
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 04:13 AM

Sir jOhn, you are one wise man 9(or is that wiseaker(9

You sure know how to change your tune quick! This is musack sight not no character assassination sight. Form the wurds of the Master hisself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 04:15 AM

Martin Gibson is great!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST,ThreadBear
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 04:20 AM

Your threatened expulsion from Mudcat by Joe Offer really improved your spelling Sir jOhn.

I have heard that fright can cause miracles.

I done witnessed a miracle! Joe Offer is a Saint!

Now write that on the blackboard about MG 100 times Sir j(O9hn


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 04:23 AM

Martin Gibson is grate
Martin Gibson is grate
Martin Gibson is grate


how mny lines is that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST,ThreadBear
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 04:26 AM

Go tell it on the mountain! Over the hills and through the dell
Go tell it on the mountain! Sir jOhn can spell!

It's a miracle I tell you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST,ThreadBear
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 04:28 AM

Oh no the miracle is wearing off! Joe Offer is a false prophet! Maybe that is why.. his name is Joe Off...er, because the, well you get it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 04:38 AM

I've changed my mind!
Martin Gibson is an arsehole, I'll be banned for saying this, and this thread will be deleted.


if You don't see me here anymore, you know why, [in the UK we have freedom of speech, I am quite entitled as a british citizen to stand outside Buckingham Palace, and say that I think HM The Queen is a big load of shit, or stand outside 10 Downing Street and say that in my opinion that Tony Blair is an arsehole.


There were countless threads a while back from a known member posting as Ivor Bigging calling me all sorts of names, also Raedwulf as called me names and insulted me here, no action was taken, the posts insulting me stayed!


If I'm banned, you know why, bye all.

john


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 04:39 AM

Sir jOhn wrote,

PS=my mind is not closed, neither was my thread, it was deleted, big difference!

So my friend siR jOhn, does it follow for you statement above that your mind was deleted?

That would explain a lot.

Just kidding!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST,ThreadBear
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 04:43 AM

No jOhn! Repent! You have made your point. Forget MG, he is very forgettable. If you say no more the Offer will give you his Offer-ing of Peace. In other words, please keep you mouth shut, at least on this subject. Please?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 04:44 AM

If this thread is still here, put "Speakers Corner" in your search engine,

i understand this is a private website, and the owners/moderators can ban anyone for any reason, seems odd that folk can insult me and stay qoute
[on a thread were i was been insulted]
Joe knows who it is-
from joe=
"Joe dosn't care who it is"!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST,ThreadBear
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 04:55 AM

jOhn,

You could always come back as a Guest, like Gargoylee or waht ever his name is.

But, stay a mumber cause this ain't no stinkin' speelin' sight and it shold not bee a character assinasination sight either.

You made your point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST,Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 05:06 AM

Good idea GUEST!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST,jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 05:14 AM

quoute="John Repent"

repent for waht???????


I'm going to church, [its sunday morning here, i'll be back later, [if i'm not banned].


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 05:32 AM

Oh dear Joh9n you do like to live dangerously don't you. I knew your thread would be deleted, and it's not just because you insulted MG, who will be laughing his socks off at this little local difficulty. Loads of people insult him, and loads more probably will, I've taken the line of ignoring him, or posting anodyne rubbish which ignores everything he's just posted. He won't go away John and neither should you, so please try to curb your suicidal instincts. Remember when posting, it aint what you say, it's the way what you say it, to paraphrase a song.
Giok :~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 09:26 AM

Yes, John, learn the art of subtlety. Do not say "Martin Gibson is an arsehole!" Say "When Martin Gibson arrives on a thread the distinct odour of arsehole is soon apparent." See? I've not said MG is an arsehole, only that the smell of arsehole seems to go wherever he goes. I'm not even saying that the smell of arsehole emanates from MG. It could have come from somewhere else and just follows him around like Joe Btfsplk's raincloud.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 09:47 AM

Joe? Hi, Joe! Listen, jOhn gets minus points for trolling Martin Gibson (I doubt it would have much other effect), BUT - and this is a big but, a HUGE but - he gets plus points for being funny.

Personally, I'd rather have somebody start a funny personal attack thread on me than look for and reply to most things I wrote in various threads. If I wanted to feel significant and successful in irritating people, a whole thread all to myself would make me smile and know it was all worth it. Then again, one has to know how to 'fly under the radar' to continue getting away with it.

If you want to be successful at the attack game, comment on him personally in different threads, the way he does to others. Starting a thread for him is like as suicide bombing. The only person you're guaranteed to damage is yourself. The personal attacks within threads is more like poisoning. Less obvious, less messy, and you probably won't ever have to worry about being banned.

The root of the whole problem is, in my opinion, people taking things too seriously. There are things worth being offended by and arguing against at every opportunity - senseless death, real abuse, apathy. Somebody who insults you on an internet Forum is not worth much, if any, energy. I'm getting tired of people who drop any pretense of being interested in the subject of a thread to get into yet another pissing contest with a troll. It seems like people have absolutely no immunity to trolling, or perhaps they just like being trolled. Hard to figure out.

Anyway, humor (something that's been hard to find here recently) reminds me that life shouldn't be taken that seriously. I'm guessing that this thread will disappear too. Folks will leap on yet another chance to bash someone in front of an audience.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 10:03 AM

The hypocrisy of having a rule of "no personal attack threads" in a forum where personal attacks in threads are the norm is obvious to everyone who comes here, except those who love to engage in this sort of internet combat. They'll never get it. They don't think of themselves as trolls. And these are some of the most revered members here.

Which is why Mudcat has been troll paradise for years. In fact, I'd have to say the membership is now more troll than not. Moderation isn't done here, censorship is what is done here.

The trolls here aren't funny and witty. Because John fought back with an attack thread doesn't make him a troll. And therein lies the biggest problem with this forum. The so-called moderators can't distinguish between the two because they've had to blur the lines to protect the guilty members, including themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 10:04 AM

mg is a racist homophobic sexist bigot. j0hn is a funny erudite caring person. Guess humour doesn't travel? Love you loads j0hn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 10:41 AM

The so-called moderators can't distinguish between the two because they've had to blur the lines to protect the guilty members, including themselves.

If personal attacks are the problem - who is going to ban Joe Offer and his volunteers, when they indulge in public personal attacks.

Would anyone like to see some of the past examples of these personal attacks from them upon me? Or the lack of any threats of banning action from them - to other memmbers who feel or are even encouraged to make these personal attacks upon me?

I didn't think so.............


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST,censored
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 10:49 AM

what bugs me
is that last weekend a legitimate thread
asking about the nature of thread censorsip here

was not only censored,

but eliminated entirely..

..one more to add to the list of the mysteriously 'disapeared'


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 10:49 AM

And you certainly aren't alone in that regard Shambles. In fact the anti-guest hysteria in this forum was fomented by Max, Joe & the clones, which has also done a lot to damage the ambiance around here, and the nasty, negative, relentless attack tone of the forum.

There is forum moderation, and then there is censorship. Censorship is what is used here. But it isn't used to keep the forum in good order. Rather, it is used to punish individuals.

The point of forum moderation is to maintain a pleasant, mutually respectful atmosphere for spirited, even controversial discussions to take place. Posters police one another, and RARELY should a moderator step in. But when the moderator steps in, they deal with the person causing the problems, not the people reacting to the problem poster.

Obviously, that isn't what is being done here. This forum's atmosphere nowadays is all World Wrestling Federation all the time, where it used to be more like the big campfire at the music festival campground (or pub, if you prefer that sort of analogy), that's for sure. Rather than simply blocking access to the problem poster (like Martin Gibson), they censor the people Martin Gibson harrasses, like John.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 11:38 AM

It is difficult for me to have much sympathy for John's current position.

I have lost count of his post making witty comments like 'Shambles you are a complete '.......' or words to that effect. None of these personal attacks upon me appearing to invoke any official sanction from the censor - even when - if I remember correctly - when John started an entire thead called 'The Shambles' whine about Mudcat thread'.

This post from John is interesting.........

Sir jOhn from Hull Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened? (78* d) RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened? 20 Sep 04

Ok, I'll answer him.
Shambles, your'e complaints with Mudcat seem to be about cencorship, as has been explained to you countless times, in many threads both here and in the Help Forum, the only threads that get deleted or closed are troublesome ones, ie arguments that get out of hand, personal attacks and long off topic cut and paste jobs.

Nobody else here seems to have a problem with this policy, recently a policy was introduced wherby old BS threads that had run there course were closed [I think the age limit for automatic closing was set at 1 year], though if a subject becomes current again ie, the BS thread subject is in the news or wahtever, any member can ask that the thread in question be re-opened.

Multiple threads on the same subject may be combined, these "rules" are for the benefit of Mudcat as a whole.

Imagine if you will, that Mudcat is a shop with an out of town owner, Joe is the manager and has been given the owners authority to run it as he sees fit, you have no right to demand that the shop owner intervenes in any disputes, the managers word is final.

Your current complaint seems to be that your "Goodbye" thread is closed, well as your'e not leaving/left and came back, there seems little point it been open.

However, if you are leaving, simply start a new thread to say your goodbyes in.

Though if you carry on moaning and complaining like this, I doubt many people would miss you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 11:42 AM

My apolgies - it was not John who started that thread - it was another member.

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=66176


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 11:58 AM

Your point is well taken Shambles. But the more important point is to take it out of your personal context, and see what it is doing to the group dynamic.

Instead of waiting to be saved by the Mudcat censors who will delete or close threads, individual members need to ignore and not post in attack threads ESPECIALLY to say "this is a personal attack" or "don't post to this".

That is exactly what gets everybody wound up around here, then they simply sit back and wait for the censors to show up. Lazy in the extreme.

It wouldn't take a lot of self-discipline to make this a good forum. The pathetic thing about it is, no one is even willing to try. They are having the time of their lives trash talking one another.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: Amos
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 01:33 PM

You seem to enjoy it even more, dear Guest -- especially under your pseudo-umbrella of anonymity. A little random pot-stirring, eh?

What a thrill.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST,ThreadBear
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 01:43 PM

Joe Offer is the best! Sir jOhn is the also pretty good.

So, Truce! Please! Why lose anything over MG.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 06:41 PM

Sir jOhn and Martin G. are two peas in a pod. That's why they hate each other.
They can both be funny & entertaining,
helpful and informative,
pig-ignorant and offensive.

Mudcat works as it works. For four years now (that I know of) there has very rarely been a time when there wasn't at least one thread regarding what should be done to make it better.
It's a Folk & Blues forum. If you want structure and civility go to a place where you can reasonably expect to find structure and civility.

Every clown wants to play Hamlet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 06:53 PM

Nice to hear from you Sir jOhn.

Maybe Joe knows alot more about martin than we do. I have long suspected that at the heart of Martin's need to affront harmless tree huggers and the like is quite a lot of pain.

I know its not much comfort when you see sometimes elderly folks reeling from shock at some needlessly hurtful remark. But I do think all the Americans find it quite difficult to empathise with our north of England sense of humour/wordplay. I think it genuinely wrongfoots them, and they think we are all a bit like the swamp people. from the black lagoon - irredeemably base!

To be honest I think maybe , we're more like the ozzies than even our south of England brethren. Paul Downes once pointed out to me that Tony Capstick couldn't get away with using the f word down south - audiences would flinch. Whereas Derek Brimstone could stick in a cheery fackin' hell! and get a laugh with same audience. Its your style I would guess that Joe and martin for that matter - they just don't get.

Never mind.....their loss. I still love your correspondence deeply .

all the very best

Big Al


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 07:22 PM

jOhn, I have come to love your piss-poor syntax. And your company. And your curry. And your idiosyncratic driving style. And your folk club. And your helpful nature finding stuff on the net. And your drunken rants at gigs. And that bloke you found to mend my broken clock. And the story about the wags that filled your wheely bin with soil and founded a mobile garden. And where to find a Halal butcher when we had a Muslim mate staying. And for at least five horses that came in on good odds. And letting on where the best brothel in Hull is (Park Street, next to the Vets).

Wish my mind was that closed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 11:15 PM

They have brothels in Hull? My goodness!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sir jOhn's Closed Mind, er, ClosedThread
From: dianavan
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 12:06 AM

Well - John from Hull has never been anything but good natured as far as I can tell. MG wants to hurt. Joe is just trying to keep it all at a dull roar.

I, too, get caught up in the MG thing. Cowardly people who continually change their identity and use insults and vile language to cover their ignorance are nothing more than bullies. I know it is best to ignore him but at the same time I want to stand up to him and slap him back. I'll continue to try to ignore him as I do think he is quite dangerous and possibly mentally ill. At least, he seems to enjoy coming across that way.
    And yeah, of course the thread has to be closed. The basic premise of the thread is personal attack. I don't care who's right or who's wrong - we just need to have them stop, and that means taking action against all combatants. I don't want to bother sorting out cute personal attacks from not-so-cute personal attacks. Personal attacks have been a problem here at Mudcat for a long, long time.
    Sometimes it seems like a losing battle.
    -Joe Offer-


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