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Lyr Req/Add: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)

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DOWN IN THE VALLEY


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Connemara Cradle Song [John Frances Waller]


alison 28 Nov 98 - 11:36 PM
alison 28 Nov 98 - 11:42 PM
Mick Lowe 29 Nov 98 - 07:42 PM
Annraoi 29 Nov 98 - 07:47 PM
skw@ 01 Dec 98 - 03:33 AM
Alice 01 Dec 98 - 10:06 AM
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Hrothgar 15 Apr 03 - 05:54 AM
MartinRyan 15 Apr 03 - 04:51 PM
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Subject: Tune Add: CONNEMARA CRADLE SONG (Delia Murphy)
From: alison
Date: 28 Nov 98 - 11:36 PM

Hi,

this one was mentioned in the lullabye thread

Slainte

alison

ABC format:

X:1
T:connemara cradle song
M:6/8
Q:1/4=100
K:Eb
B,6|B,EFG3/2G/2G|GABD3|B,DFB3/2B/2B|AGFG3|
B,EFG3/2G/2G|GABD2B,|B,DFB3/2c/2B|AGFE3|-E3B,EF|
G3G3|GABD3|-D3B,DF|B3c2B|AGFE3|-E6||


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Subject: Chords Add: CONNEMARA CRADLE SONG (Delia Murphy)
From: alison
Date: 28 Nov 98 - 11:42 PM

Hi,

And guitar chords

(Eb)On wings of the wind, o'er the dark rolling (Bb)deep,
Angels are coming to (Bb7)watch o'er thy (Eb)sleep.
Angels are coming to watch over (Bb)thee,
So list' to the wind coming (Bb7)over the (EB)sea.

chorus

Hear the wind blow, dear, hear the wind (Bb)blow,
Lean your head over, and (Bb7)hear the wind (Eb)blow.

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: connemara cradle song
From: Mick Lowe
Date: 29 Nov 98 - 07:42 PM

And sheet music here Irish@prof
Cheers
Mick


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Subject: RE: connemara cradle song
From: Annraoi
Date: 29 Nov 98 - 07:47 PM

Hardly traditional, but easy to harmonise and easy on the ear.


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Subject: RE: connemara cradle song
From: skw@
Date: 01 Dec 98 - 03:33 AM

Does anyone know on which album the Clancy Bros & Tommy Makem recorded this? 'Home Boys Home'? 'In Concert'? And which year? (I think both albums suggested came out in 1968.) - Thanks, Susanne


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Subject: RE: connemara cradle song
From: Alice
Date: 01 Dec 98 - 10:06 AM

CD now has it on a disc titled "The Clancy Brothers & Tommy Makem and their families / Irish Folk Songs and Airs ". alice


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Subject: RE: connemara cradle song
From: radriano
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 06:00 PM

Faith Petric of the San Francisco Folk Music Club has been researching this song and asked me to post this for her.

On a recording of the Connemara Cradle Song by Padraigin Ni Uallachain, it (liner notes) says: "Attributed to Liam Daly." Delia Murphy recorded the song in 1953.

The melody used for this song is "Down in the Valley."

Comments?


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Subject: RE: connemara cradle song
From: Hrothgar
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 05:54 AM

Walton's New Treasury of Irish Songs and Ballads, which I would not regard as authoritative, attributes it to D. Murphy.

Soodlum's Irish Ballad Book doesn't attribute it at all, which is about what I would expect.

Can't find it in anything else at the moment.


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Subject: RE: connemara cradle song
From: MartinRyan
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 04:51 PM

Delia Murphy's biographer dates her recording to 1951 (Melodisc P202)

Regards


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Subject: RE: connemara cradle song
From: MartinRyan
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 05:00 PM

There is also sheet music published by Waltons in 1953 where, apparently, D. Murphy is given as author or composer. No sign of it earlier, as far as I can see, at present.

Regards


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Subject: Lyr Add: CONNEMARA CRADLE SONG (Delia Murphy)
From: paddyspig
Date: 16 Apr 03 - 12:27 AM

I Have this tune in my copy of FOLKSONGS & BALLADS popular in IRELAND Vol.I.... By John Loesberg and published by OSSIAN.
It has Three verses plus the chorus..Too late to TYpe it all..But if you want I'll do it tomorrow for you.
Susan.. OH what the heck...

Chorus:
Oh the wings of the wind, Oer the dark rolling deep
Angels are coming to watch oer thy sleep
Angels are coming to watch oer thee
so list' to the wind coming over the sea
Hear the wind Blow love, Hear the wind blow
Lean your head over and hear the wind blow

Oh the winds of the night, may your fury be crossed
May no one thats dear to our island be lost
Blow the wind lightly, calm be the foam
Shine the light brightly to guide them Home

The Currachs are sailing way out n the blue
Laden with Herrin of silvery hue
silver the herrin and silver the sea
And soon they'll be silver for Baby and me

The Currachs tomorrow will stand on the shore
and daddy goes sailin, a-sailin no more
The nets will be dryin, the nets will be blessed
And safe in my arms dear,Contented He'll rest...

I Hope that helps..now I can rest too..
Susan


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Subject: RE: connemara cradle song
From: SeaCanary
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 07:19 AM

Lovely song. Beautiful words.

It puts me in mind of Believe Me If All Those Endearing Young Charms but, unlike that one, this is not anything dating from the early 18th century, right?


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Subject: RE: connemara cradle song
From: MartinRyan
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 05:35 PM

"Believe me..." would be early 19th C. If Delia Murphy wrote the cradle song, then it's mid-20th C. As mentioned a few posts ago, I've never seen it earlier.

Regards


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Subject: RE: connemara cradle song
From: SeaCanary
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 05:17 AM

Early 19th C. That's what I said, right? ;-)


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Subject: RE: connemara cradle song
From: GUEST,Tom McEnaney
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 03:27 AM

does anyone know if there's a version available as gailge?


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Subject: ADD: Connemara Cradle Song
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 04:37 AM

This version is a bit different, although not hugely so.
-Joe-


Connemara Cradle Song
(John Francis Waller (1809-1894)

On wings of the wind, o'er the dark rolling deep,
Angels are coming to watch o'er thy sleep.
Angels are coming to watch over thee,
So list to the wind coming over the sea.

CHORUS
Hear the wind blow love, Hear the wind blow,
Lean your head over and hear the wind blow.

Oh, winds of the night, may your fury be crossed,
May no one who's dear to our island be lost.
Blow the wind lightly, calm be the foam,
Shine the light brightly to guide them all home.
CHORUS

The currachs are sailing way out on the blue,
Chasing the herring of silvery hue.
Silver the herring and silver the sea,
Soon there'll be silver for baby and me.
CHORUS
The currachs, tomorrow, will stand on the shore,
And daddy'll go sailing, a-sailing no more.
The nets will be drying, the nets heaven blessed,
And safe in my arms dear, contented he'll rest.
CHORUS


From The Very Best Irish Songs & Ballads, Volume 2, Walton Manufacturing, 1999.

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Subject: RE: connemara cradle song
From: MartinRyan
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 04:54 AM

On the question of an Irish language version - I think there is a modern song set to the air, alright. The chorus is lurking at the back of my mind but refuses to come forward! It's the sort of song taught to youngsters in "Irish College" i.e. summer schools taught through the language.

Regards.


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Subject: RE: req/ADD: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Sep 10 - 11:17 AM

From Very Best Irish Songs & Ballads by Pat Conway (Dublin: Walton Manufacturing Co., Ltd., 1999), page 44:
    CONNEMARA CRADLE SONG
    Originally written by John Francis Waller (1809-1894)
    This song was popularized by Mayo-born Delia Murphy (1902-1971).
However, Delia Murphy apparently claimed copyright in 1951. The British Library has sheet music in which she is the only writer credited.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)
From: GUEST,Buck Helton
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 05:09 PM

Does anyone know if Waller's version of this song appeared in print anywhere before 1909? I'm attempting to determine if Down in the Valley is a descendant of the Cradle Song, or the other way around.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)
From: GUEST,silver
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 07:53 AM

The late Faith Petric wrote an article on the Connemara Cradle Song in Sing Out! Vol.47/3, 2003 (Behind the Song). I'm proud to say I helped her some with the research. In the article, the mistake of Liam Daly as the author is explained. Joe Hickerson finally found the source of the tune (Happy Home Waltz No 1, by Julien, Ca. 1850), but even he didn't know of John Francis Waller.

Great recordings of the song: Tommy Makem on "The Best of the Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem", Padraigin Ni Uallachain on "An Irish Lullaby", and Gordon Bok on "Dear to our Island". Sorry I haven't Heard Delia Murphy's version.

Ulla


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 08:05 AM

Waller also wrote "The Spinning Wheel", another Delia Murphy favourite.


Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 08:30 AM

Does anyone have a link to any JF Waller music?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 08:36 AM

He was more poet than songwriter, if I remember correctly. I'll post some links later.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 09:03 AM

Thanks, Martin. I have as yet been unable to locate a single page anywhere with the CCS on it attributed to Waller. I'm beginning to wonder if he wrote it at all. Do you know for fact he did? It's almost like every site repeats every other site.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 01:05 PM

I'm confident of The Spinning Wheel but not, offhand, of The Connemara Cradle Song . Will check. Today being St. Patrick's Day - it may take some time!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 01:33 PM

Many thanks, Martin. And Happy St Patraick's Day to you.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 01:34 PM

I blew that. :-)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 01:43 PM

Aidan O'Hara's comprehensive biography of Delia Murphy (I'll Live till I die ) acknowledges Waller as the author of The Spinning Wheel - despite other claims in the context of Walton's publishing of the song. No mention that I can see, at first glance, of the authorship of Cradle Song - which I suspect means Waller didn't write it.

No proper index so I may have to resort to random searching!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)
From: MartinRyan
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 05:19 AM

There's a copy of Waller's main collection of poetry at Archive.org

Click here

Spinning Wheel is there. Nothing to suggest Connemara Cradle Song . Doesn't read like his stuff either.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Connemara Cradle Song (Delia Murphy)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 07:29 AM

Many thanks. So many sites had his name listed as the author but they all gave his birth/death dates and not a single one the year in which he wrote the song. It looked strange.


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