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Subject: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever From: GUEST,EBarnacle Date: 07 Apr 05 - 06:01 PM I was looking through the program book for a union meeting today and noticed that Solidarity Forever it not attributed. Does anyone know who wrote it or translated it and when? If a union is using a song that is in copyright, shouldn't they be paying residuals to the estate of the author? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 07 Apr 05 - 07:02 PM Ralph Chaplin, 1915, so I presume it is in the public domain. This is noted with the song in the DT, right here at Mudcat. Always look here first. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever From: greg stephens Date: 07 Apr 05 - 08:14 PM Just to be pedantic, "composer" normally refers to the person who wrote the music. Who is (a) unknown, and (b) undoubtedly dead for a very very long time as the tune was popular in 1860. So there wont be any copyright problem there! |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever From: masato sakurai Date: 07 Apr 05 - 08:36 PM If the music is in question, see this thread: req/add: Say Brothers Will You Meet Us?. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever From: masato sakurai Date: 07 Apr 05 - 08:43 PM And this: Origins:John Brown's Body/ Battle Hymn of Republic. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Apr 05 - 09:57 PM Interesting. The university library where I work has a large collection of regional trade union materials housed in the Special Collections. I'll send myself a reminder to take a look and see if they hold any music resources along with all of the signs and meeting notes and such. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever From: Peace Date: 07 Apr 05 - 10:07 PM www.historyworksohio.org/pdf/lyrics.pdf Worth looking at, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever From: GUEST,EBarnacle Date: 08 Apr 05 - 03:58 PM Since the author died in 1915, is his work still within copyright under the current interpretation of the law--100 years after the death of the artist and under the control of his estate? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Apr 05 - 06:30 PM Ralph Chaplin, 1887-1961. He was a curator with the Washington State Historical Society from 1949-1961. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever From: GUEST,Dave'sWife at work Date: 08 Apr 05 - 08:17 PM Silly me! What with all the references to songs about The Pope, I asumed this might be a song about SOLIDARITY, the Polish Union! Shame on me, daughter of a fine Union Man, Grandaughter of fine Union Maids and Men.. I'm slapping my own wrist as punishment for my ignorance. I'm gonna go see if there are songs about the union, Solidarity. There must be! |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever From: OtherDave Date: 09 Apr 05 - 12:44 AM To answer Barnacle's copyright question: in the United States, any work published prior to 1923 is in the public domain. Here's a handy chart by Lolly Gasaway of the U. of North Carolina: When Works Pass into the Public Domain |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever From: Dave'sWife Date: 09 Apr 05 - 02:01 AM Here are some links to Folk Songs about The Polish Union, Solidarity found on the PBS webiste: Polish Lyrics English Lyrics Here are the titles of the songs and the limited comments on those songs: "Old Man" from Gdan'sk The tune is traditional. The text is about the negotiations. "Pyk, pyk" means "puff, puff," as when smoking a pipe, and the name of the chief negotiator was Pyka. Our Demands (Zsdania) There was enormous increase in poem-writing during the strike. This is one of those poems. A Ballad from a Shipyard . (it's to the tune of The Times They Are a Changin') Postulate 22 The striking workers made a list of 21 demands to the government. This is the 22nd demand, and the very prerequisite of the others. This poem became somewhat of a signature of the trade movement. It was set to several different melodies. The Song of the Free Trade Unions An old Polish folk-song with a new text. There are many parallels to the old American trade union songs All these songs can be found here: "Solidarity! Postulat 22 - Songs from the New Polish Labour Movement," Smithsonian Folkways Records, F-37251. Produced by Jörgen Widsell and Lars Holmberg in cooperation with the trade union Solidarnosc in Gdansk, 1981. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever From: Dave'sWife Date: 09 Apr 05 - 02:41 AM another song about Solidarity in Poland: "Saturdays in Silesia," by Rational Youth Canadians will probably be the only ones who remember this song from the album "Cold War Night Life". This 1982 tune was inspired by the famous Lech Walesa-led strike at the Gdansk Shipyard in Poland. Many of you may remember the popular t-shirts of the time with "Solidarity" printed on them. From THIS page about Cold War songs Found this odd reference to the fact that Lech Welesa hangs out in internet chatrooms! Click here for nice interview with Lech Walesa Check out this Quote: >I am a person interested in the development of technology. I use many different gadgets connected with computers; I use PCs, laptops and a Palm Pilot. I also use the Internet to visit websites, especially within Polish-language Internet. I usually go to political discussion groups and sites -- of course, as I use my real name, people never believe that they are chatting with me!< Lech Welesa (or Walesa depending upon your spelling preference) Maybe he'll come to the Mudcat!! |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Solidarity Forever From: GUEST Date: 31 Jul 24 - 12:29 PM Solidarity Forever is now become one of my favourite songs of all set to the tune of John Brown's Body and Battle Hymn of The Republic.I think thar Raplh Chaplin was a good song writer when he wrote his words to try and not have fights all the time in the first world war. He first plan was to get another writer by the name of Joe Hill to finish the lines but he was too ill and shortly died. In 1941 the song was first recorded by the Almanac Singers with Pete Seeger. Alan Lomax gave him the book for Chaplin to read all the group of the Almanac Singers knew the tune of John Brown's Body and liked it so much. Chaplin died in 1961 and before he died he wrote many history books of what happened in 1854. You can still see them in in museums around the USA. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Solidarity Forever From: StephenH Date: 31 Jul 24 - 04:08 PM With all due respect, there area number of errors in the above post. For example, "Solidarity Forever" is a song about the fact that all the world's wealth is created by working people and really belongs to them - it wasn't an anti-war song, per se. I don't believe Ralph Chaplin ever intended to ask Joe Hill to finish "Solidarity Forever" - he was a pretty capable songwriter himself- and the "illness" Joe Hill died of was being wrongfully executed by the State of Utah in 1915 - the year Ralph Chaplin wrote the song. So, it's good that you like the song but I just wanted to point out a couple of things that you misunderstood. |
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