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Origins: Solidarity Forever

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SOLIDARITY FOREVER
WE HAVE FED YOU ALL FOR A THOUSAND YEARS


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GUEST,EBarnacle 07 Apr 05 - 06:01 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 07 Apr 05 - 07:02 PM
greg stephens 07 Apr 05 - 08:14 PM
masato sakurai 07 Apr 05 - 08:36 PM
masato sakurai 07 Apr 05 - 08:43 PM
Stilly River Sage 07 Apr 05 - 09:57 PM
Peace 07 Apr 05 - 10:07 PM
GUEST,EBarnacle 08 Apr 05 - 03:58 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 08 Apr 05 - 06:30 PM
GUEST,Dave'sWife at work 08 Apr 05 - 08:17 PM
OtherDave 09 Apr 05 - 12:44 AM
Dave'sWife 09 Apr 05 - 02:01 AM
Dave'sWife 09 Apr 05 - 02:41 AM
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Subject: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: GUEST,EBarnacle
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 06:01 PM

I was looking through the program book for a union meeting today and noticed that Solidarity Forever it not attributed.

Does anyone know who wrote it or translated it and when?

If a union is using a song that is in copyright, shouldn't they be paying residuals to the estate of the author?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 07:02 PM

Ralph Chaplin, 1915, so I presume it is in the public domain.
This is noted with the song in the DT, right here at Mudcat.

Always look here first.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: greg stephens
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 08:14 PM

Just to be pedantic, "composer" normally refers to the person who wrote the music. Who is (a) unknown, and (b) undoubtedly dead for a very very long time as the tune was popular in 1860. So there wont be any copyright problem there!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: masato sakurai
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 08:36 PM

If the music is in question, see this thread: req/add: Say Brothers Will You Meet Us?.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: masato sakurai
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 08:43 PM

And this: Origins:John Brown's Body/ Battle Hymn of Republic.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 09:57 PM

Interesting. The university library where I work has a large collection of regional trade union materials housed in the Special Collections. I'll send myself a reminder to take a look and see if they hold any music resources along with all of the signs and meeting notes and such.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: Peace
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 10:07 PM

www.historyworksohio.org/pdf/lyrics.pdf

Worth looking at, IMO.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: GUEST,EBarnacle
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 03:58 PM

Since the author died in 1915, is his work still within copyright under the current interpretation of the law--100 years after the death of the artist and under the control of his estate?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 06:30 PM

Ralph Chaplin, 1887-1961. He was a curator with the Washington State Historical Society from 1949-1961.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: GUEST,Dave'sWife at work
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 08:17 PM

Silly me! What with all the references to songs about The Pope, I asumed this might be a song about SOLIDARITY, the Polish Union!

Shame on me, daughter of a fine Union Man, Grandaughter of fine Union Maids and Men.. I'm slapping my own wrist as punishment for my ignorance.

I'm gonna go see if there are songs about the union, Solidarity. There must be!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: OtherDave
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 12:44 AM

To answer Barnacle's copyright question: in the United States, any work published prior to 1923 is in the public domain.

Here's a handy chart by Lolly Gasaway of the U. of North Carolina:
When Works Pass into the Public Domain


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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 02:01 AM

Here are some links to Folk Songs about The Polish Union, Solidarity found on the PBS webiste:

Polish Lyrics


English Lyrics



Here are the titles of the songs and the limited comments on those songs:

"Old Man" from Gdan'sk
The tune is traditional. The text is about the negotiations. "Pyk, pyk" means "puff, puff," as when smoking a pipe, and the name of the chief negotiator was Pyka.

Our Demands (Zsdania)
There was enormous increase in poem-writing during the strike. This is one of those poems.

A Ballad from a Shipyard
. (it's to the tune of The Times They Are a Changin')

Postulate 22
The striking workers made a list of 21 demands to the government. This is the 22nd demand, and the very prerequisite of the others. This poem became somewhat of a signature of the trade movement. It was set to several different melodies.

The Song of the Free Trade Unions
An old Polish folk-song with a new text. There are many parallels to the old American trade union songs


All these songs can be found here:
"Solidarity! Postulat 22 - Songs from the New Polish Labour Movement," Smithsonian Folkways Records, F-37251. Produced by Jörgen Widsell and Lars Holmberg in cooperation with the trade union Solidarnosc in Gdansk, 1981.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Composer: solidarity Forever
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 02:41 AM

another song about Solidarity in Poland:

"Saturdays in Silesia," by Rational Youth
Canadians will probably be the only ones who remember this song from the album "Cold War Night Life". This 1982 tune was inspired by the famous Lech Walesa-led strike at the Gdansk Shipyard in Poland. Many of you may remember the popular t-shirts of the time with "Solidarity" printed on them.
From THIS page about Cold War songs



Found this odd reference to the fact that Lech Welesa hangs out in internet chatrooms!
Click here for nice interview with Lech Walesa
Check out this Quote:
>I am a person interested in the development of technology. I use many different gadgets connected with computers; I use PCs, laptops and a Palm Pilot. I also use the Internet to visit websites, especially within Polish-language Internet. I usually go to political discussion groups and sites -- of course, as I use my real name, people never believe that they are chatting with me!< Lech Welesa (or Walesa depending upon your spelling preference)

Maybe he'll come to the Mudcat!!


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