Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Chris Green
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 07:18 PM

Dah! Said I wouldn't be back, but I feel the need to set the record straight given GUEST, ophelia's post. I have no interest in listening to music made by the BNP, or for that matter anything made by the BNP. Close the thread, please - it's only giving these troglodytes a platform to spout their half-baked cack and making them feel a lot more important than the empty vessels that they are. (Or should that be Horst Vessels?)

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 03:11 PM

I'd sooner eat a plate of warm cow shit without salt.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Ophelia
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 03:12 AM

I agree duelling,

i am interested to listen to the music produced by the BNP, but until we hear some, then i cant see the point anymore. They have made their introduction now on this issue firmly on mudcat, and i gather elswhere too, especially as john evans has personally invited david hannam to sing at his folk club.

Unless there is music to be heard i dont see the point of this thread unless someone wants to go to bnp tv website section and listen to some of davids stuff there and let us know what you think.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Chris Green
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 09:21 PM

But perhaps not here? There's not been anything remotely musical posted to this thread for a good while. Can we not just let it die? Or if it must continue put it in BS. I made up my mind a while ago that contributing to this kind of discussion is shouting into a vacuum. Brucie et al - I agree with pretty much everything you say. Various "Guests" who support these deluded halfwits who masquerade as a credible political party, read some history. Not that it will change your minds, presumably, as that presupposes that you have minds.

Anyways, I'm offski.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Peace
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 06:48 PM

Good for you, GUEST. I posted the same link on another thread. It always bugs the Nazis when you shed light on them. The 'creatures' of the darkness just hate that. Good work. Keep it up.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,bnp facts
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 03:00 PM

hhahahaha, are you serious about that link to anl?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 11:18 AM

BNP facts.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 06:03 AM

Then maybe it's time the veterans took a hard look at who they call friends.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,reply to ebbie
Date: 02 Jun 05 - 04:35 AM

Ebbie, you say how you are clearly worried about the return of nazism, and thought it was a thing of the past.

I agree, it is worrying, and nazism is a disgusting ideology which seems still to have a small support group on the fringe of decent society, but do not try to tie the BNP and Nazism in the same knot they are completely different. The BNP has its own circle for ex-servicemen who fought against nazism. SO did Nick Griffins father in fact.

It is easy for you to disregard every person who is patriotic enough to love their country enough to worry about their country. Poor veterans see the nation they fought for becoming more and more alien all the time. By calling members of the BNP nazi's you insult every veteran who holds bnp membership. That sir is WRONG

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 07:26 PM

This has been a most interesting thread. This world is muddled and befuddled in more ways than one. I tend to forget about Nazism today and its current efforts. I would have liked to believe that it is a thing of the past, and of course that is not true.

Just now I looked up the American Nazi Party- hoping I'd find that it has evaporated since its founder died, but not so. And now I have a further concern. It appears to me that the Nazi party in America and the BNP are not only in like spirit but are conceivably using the same tactics.

It seems that the British "Nationalist" Party is downplaying its reason for being, obviously hoping and planning to slide in under people's nazi-detecting radar screens, as flamenco ted implies: "It will be interesting to see how the BNP fare at the next election, if they continue their current policy of toning down the rhetoric and expelling some of their more extreme members."

The ANP says this: "...we recognize the fact that behaving in the manner of past activities, little progress has been achieved for our Cause. That is why we have taken a new direction. In the American Nazi Party, you will find no uniforms or ranks, we do not engage in publicly exposing our Comrades to undo publicity through pointless and dangerous Rallies or Marches. We instead stress Small Cell, and Individual Activism as the path for which to build our Movement, as securely and in a responsible manner as possible.

"We are looking for Men and Women, who are willing to sacrifice for the Good of the Folk, not people who are looking for aggrandizement, titillation, or simply causing undirected and useless mayhem. This is not a game or a gang."

As if we didn't have enough worries.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 05:42 PM

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 05 - 08:46 PM

If you want to give a platform to the lyrics posted above, you are supporting them by giving them exposure.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 May 05 - 08:40 PM

oh!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Peace
Date: 31 May 05 - 08:39 PM

"Subject: RE: BS: British Nazi Party ((BNP))
From: Rt Hon Sir jOhn from Hull - PM
Date: 31 May 05 - 08:02 PM

brucie- [this is meant in the nicest way possible]=
if you don't like a certain group, just ignore them, starting threads just gives them publicity."


Now you know why I don't ignore them, jOhn. Because they keep getting 'brought up' anyway.

Bruce

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 May 05 - 08:36 PM

Before anyone accuses me of been a Nazi or BNP supporter etc, by issuing an open invite to David to attend Hull Folk Club I would like to make the point that we have had probably over 100 performers there in total, if they have a genuine interest in folk/trad music, I don't know their politics and don't care, it's a music club

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 May 05 - 08:28 PM

David-I run Hull Folk Club, if you'd like to play there contact me on
07759 668798, phone or text, i'll get straight back to you.
Like Flamenco Ted, I also know your father well.

It's a music club, we don't discuss politics there, if your willing to play for nowt, [we don't charge admission, and don't pay anyone no matter how good they are], your'e as welcome as anyone else.


John Evans [Hull Folk Club].

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 28 May 05 - 02:15 PM

British is not a specific race. It broadly includes English, Scots, Welsh, Manxmen, Cornish, and anyone else a citizen. All it means is an inhabitant of Britain.

That Kipling poem is a remarkable work about the distrust and prejudice that we tend to feel about anything alien. It's natural, but doesn't mean bigotry, hatred and fear are to be encouraged.
Kipling was a patriot, but not a blind one. Have a look at Recessional for an example.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Peace
Date: 27 May 05 - 11:55 AM

Also, before I split for the day. Now, knowing who you are will make things easier when we meet. My wife and I decided to call it a day after 27 years. As with all things, it takes two to tango or tangle--as you will find out when we meet.

See you down the line.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Peace
Date: 27 May 05 - 11:44 AM

But then it shouldn't be "you, too" because you have posted to this thread under your real name. Wake up bucko. The stupid misspellings of Cisco and Leadbelly don't hide who you are. So, I will retract the 'too' and simply say that you are a coward. But that would fit with the party philosophy, wouldn't it?

Piss off.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Peace
Date: 27 May 05 - 11:33 AM

"so your wife left you did she brucie that say's it all."

And fuck you, too.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 27 May 05 - 11:27 AM

As I know Davids dad very well, I don't doubt for a minute that he is sincere in his beliefs.It will be interesting to see how the BNP fare at the next election, if they continue their current policy of toning down the rhetoric and expelling some of their more extreme members.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,John Medlin
Date: 27 May 05 - 11:07 AM

I heard David at a BNP meeting openly denouncing and condemning the old racist music that once had its way in nationalist circles. I was a first time attendee, and i was suspicious of BNP at the time, but i met David and i found him very genuine. I dont agree with everything the BNP says, like withdrawal from EU.

I liked the song corporal fox.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,cissco & sonny & ledbelly to.
Date: 27 May 05 - 10:45 AM

so your wife left you did she brucie that say's it all.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Peace
Date: 26 May 05 - 01:22 PM

"GUEST, Vote BNP: Fuck of."

HA HA. Maybe he did and took the other f with him. LOL.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 05 - 11:42 AM

send me some doe and i'll tell ya
wouldnt like to smell ya

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 05 - 11:41 AM

is that an order mine fooyer

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 05 - 11:39 AM

i'll let you be in my dream if i can scream in yours

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Peace
Date: 26 May 05 - 09:38 AM

Dear Jcd.

Good on yer.

GUEST, Vote BNP: Fuck of.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Vote BNP
Date: 26 May 05 - 04:23 AM

richard, it says:"Iraqis and Afghans" not the derogatory term "pakis" which would no way be included. There's nowt racist about stating where someone is from/their nationality!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Jcd
Date: 25 May 05 - 07:25 PM

No problem Richard.

Now I'll admit that the one thing that did make me smile throughout this discussion, was being called an 'intelligent man', on more than one occasion.

I may have balls, but I'm afraid I'm all woman!!

G'night chaps.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 May 05 - 05:36 PM

JcD, thank you for the sources, my misty recollections were obviously at fault

So, David,if you "will never tolerate racist lyrics" can we assume thatif and when you perform the subject song, it will be without the racist reference to "Pakis and Afghans"?

The other thing, David, is that neither you nor anyone else has commented on my view that the music of the song is very reminiscent of Donovan's "Gipsy Boy and I", which to my mind devalues the prospect of widespread liking for this piece - particularly in its main target audience.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 25 May 05 - 10:01 AM

Flamenco - 4 Banjos - 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 May 05 - 10:00 AM

Damn You Ted !! Foiled Again !!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 May 05 - 09:59 AM

AND 200 th Post Too !!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 25 May 05 - 09:59 AM

200. misiion accomplished!!! my work here is done!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 May 05 - 09:58 AM

BNP Folk songs ? The mind boggles !!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,VoteBNP
Date: 25 May 05 - 09:42 AM

Haha, brucie is really mad now.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Peace
Date: 25 May 05 - 09:33 AM

I'm a colonial fer krissake. What do you expect?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 25 May 05 - 09:29 AM

Such intemperate language! Where and when isd David playing near Hull? I would like to pop along and listen.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Peace
Date: 25 May 05 - 09:22 AM

Fuck off!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Vote BNP
Date: 25 May 05 - 04:50 AM

As the originator of this thread, it would be fitting if i closed it. Thanks everyone for the lively debate. I look forward to all this BNP folk music coming soon!!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Peace
Date: 24 May 05 - 07:04 PM

"and as for correcting Grammar...I actually find that to be of help rather than insulting.
Dear GUEST,

I have no idea who you are but I do like you and your posts. I truly hope I didn't offend you at all. If so, I apologize. I very seldom 'correct' people's use of the language--until they call mine into question, and then the gloves come off. Dyslexia is no joke (even mild); I don't know where in the UK you studied, but your English is just fine. And your thoughts are right up there, too.

I don't doubt we shall cross paths again, and please know it will be a pleasure to do so. In the words of some guy I met somewhere in the southern USA, "Y'all take care now, hear?"

BM

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Peace
Date: 24 May 05 - 06:45 PM

Say "Goodnight, Gracie."

"Goodnight, Gracie!"

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Jcd
Date: 24 May 05 - 04:00 PM

Thankyou Piers that is the point. We can only provide data on achievments and these are based on opportunity, amongst other factors. Intelligence is not linked to race.

Bye David.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,David Hannam BNP Final Post - Nobody cheer:P
Date: 24 May 05 - 03:35 PM

Agree, you see this is the problem we have here. There are conclusions been made about the BNP and myself which are not soundly based. I simply don't want to, (and don't understand why anyone would think i would want to) produce a scientific hypothesis that one race is more able than another. To be quite honest, i have met people from many ethnic backgrounds, some more intelligant than some, others more than others. I simply take individuals on their individual merit.

I aplogize to anyone as a recent post commented if i became agitated, but as i commented, been called a nazi is not nice. I have family who fought in WW2 against Nazism, and therefore clearly you can understand why i would feel offended.

To return to the original point of this entire thread, i.e the PPB Corporal Fox folk song.

All i can say to finally sum up our position after this lengthy discussion, which has been fun, i will give it to you guys, haha, you certainly know how to give a BNP member a hard time, i will sum up with this:

The BNP is backing folk music to the full, and we are going to be producing a LOT of it in the very near future for mass distribution, so we are not going away. We hope to spread decent music, not all political by any means, as that would be boring to general public. I, as the person heading this project will never tolerate racist lyrics, sentiment or anything which spreads hatred through the use of folk music, specifically folk/protest. If i do, you can take that as a definite confirmation of what perhaps a few on here believed about the BNP and myself. I have never pretended the BNP is perfect, but i will say again, the BNP is progressing, and why are we progressing? One of the reasons, (though not the main reason) is that we no longer tolerate the old-fringe element, which has and will continue to recieve their marching orders. I could have come on here and played the fool who pretended that the BNP has never in the past had any bad apples, but i believed, as you are the people believe it or not i usually spend my weekends with around Hull/East Riding in the local folk-clubs, that it would have been an insult to your intelligance. We believe the public will only take us more seriously when we stand evermore a proffessional party and have showed to the public that we do not tolerate fools within the party.
I understand feelings run high on this subject on this thread, so i am going to apologize to anyone i may have snapped at, specifically when they called me a nazi, and i will also forget those accusations, as i simply don't accept them to be true.

One excellant opportunity that has arisen from this thread is that a long-lost friend of mine recognised me on this thread, he is a member of SWP believe it or not, haha, and he rang around old friends and has invited me to play at his local folk club near Hull shortly as a guest.

It has been nice talking to you all, and wish ALL of you the very best, hopefully when in a few months our music starts reaching you, sorry folks, it's going to!!! Then i will come back on here and see what your reactions are, good and bad. Anyway, now i am leaving the thread to get on with my work, those who want to can now bash me to their hearts content;-)

Best regards,

David Hannam






"If DH wants to make a case, he must produce a scientific hypothesis and then it must be tested. Conversely, if we want to say (for example) that one category of persons is as able as another, then we too must produce hypothesis and test".

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,David Hannam BNP
Date: 24 May 05 - 03:09 PM

"Please do not for one second think that because this Thread has not been closed david that it in any way shows supposrt for your party...You did however in my opinion cross the line when you specifically attacked a Member...personal attacks against Members are not encouraged on the Mudcat."

Yes, because lets face it, it's not like i have recieved any personal attacks on here is it????

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Peace
Date: 24 May 05 - 03:05 PM

Good for you, Piers. And all the other anti-racists here.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Piers
Date: 24 May 05 - 02:55 PM

Any attempts to measure intelligence according to race will always be flawed because it is not possible to measure 'intelligence' independent of learning (nurture) this could be attempted with comparisons of large numbers of genetically identical twins across environments but from what I remember of the results of these experiments, they were inconclusive and moreover intelligence is whatever intelligence tests measure, rather than some objective metric criteria.

There is no scientific foundation for racism. There is only one biological race of people on this planet: the human race.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Jcd
Date: 24 May 05 - 02:03 PM

info re black female qualifications.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Jcd
Date: 24 May 05 - 01:53 PM

Richard you are correct with your observation that Carribean black males are at the lower end of academic achievers. The current stats break black into African and Carribean, as the cultural reasons given for the lower achievers amongst Carribean males, do not apply to males from black African families.

And having said that we can further break the stats re Carribean males down to the actual islands that their parents hail from. Domenica being a predominantly (now it's either christian or catholic) island, do not have the same cultural values as those found in other carribean islands...ie the single parent household factor does nt seem to apply to children from Domenican backgrounds.