BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?

Subject: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: *daylia*
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 09:27 AM

A couple weeks ago brucie started a thread here called "10,000 arrested in US today". I spent a few hours at the computer that night researching the 'secret' FEMA concentration camps mentioned to in that thread, and this one unfortunately has been on my mind (AARRGGHH thanx alot brucie!   ;~)

The Ohio Incinerator

They expect the worst - they do not expect the unthinkable. -- Charlotte Delbo

Ohio Incinerator: It is there.

And, "friends" have supplied me with a current video of the place. The good news is that the place has not changed since originally filmed back in the early 90s. In other words, it appears that it was abandoned shortly after the first filming of it.

It was built by the Vienna Ohio Air National Guard (it is about three hours south of Vienna, Ohio near Antrim, Ohio). Their (Air Guard) security said it was being built for use as a manure storage facility. (WE know the Govt. has a great interest in storing manure as they are so full of it -- LOL).

It sits on a 100 acre site owned (at least, at the time/don't know for sure now) by the Govt.

There are 10 ovens (20'X30' and 40' tall), all built in rows of five each and facing each other, and situated in a ravine dug out of the hillside, with about 40' between the face of the ovens. The doors on theses ovens are about a foot thick, approximately 15' square and slide up and down along metal guides.

An Owens Corning Engineer was there at one time and said it appeared to be an Auschwitz -style crematorium (at about ten times the scale).

Two days after it was filmed, one of the film crew had his house "arsoned." (Probably talked about it on the phone -- my guess).

What the "Friend" saw/filmed today was:

Everything from the first filming, except: the one oven door that was installed had been removed as were all the other oven doors; the pre-fabbed railroad track sections were gone; and, the troughs from each oven had been filled in.

An abandoned construction project that probably cost about two million up to the point of abandonment.

A 20 story tall construction (tower) crane sat in the middle of it all.

The rebar (about 1&1/2" diameter) sticking out of the top of the unfinished walls (about five feet left to go) had rusted and left stains down the side of the walls. There were literally tons of unused, still stacked, rusting rebar bundles.

The planking for the concrete pouring along the top of the oven walls was still in place.

There was a "reception" building measuring approximetely 300 feet by 150 feet and about 50 feet tall that sat nearby the ovens. This building also had work to be done on an outside retaining wall (about three feet left to go) that appeared to have sat as long as the rest of it. On the east (300') side of this building, there was an "unloading platform" that went inside the building and sat approximately 10-12' above the main floor (at this time, there was a cement mixer and some other vehicles and trailers parked upon it).

Easily, tractor trailers could back into the building to dump the cargo into 60 foot long, 8' wide and 4' deep, open-topped (tar-lined) rail cars that were still on site. I imagine these cars would have had tractors to pull them on the rail lines to the ovens. This building, on the ground floor and opposite the unloading platform, had 8 (1'X3') windows at ground level (I imagine for cleaning purposes). A tunnel (outside the main building) under the place where the trucks would have backed up before getting onto the platform (inside the building) had grated floor drains running the length of it, with drains though the ceiling of the tunnel.

A hillside opposite and cati-corner of the first set of ovens was partially (about 1/2) dug out, presumably for another set of ovens.

Inside the oven complex it appeared as if the place had been abandoned, but not forgotten. There was a huge generator box trailer (double axle, dual tires/still good), there was a few electric generator motors, a rebar bending device. Inside the "reception" building were a few vehicles, one (a dump truck) with temporary tags, and in the tunnel outside the reception building was a Mack tractor with expired tags hooked to a "gravel-hauling" trailer with plates good to May/02. My friend says we can and will track the plate numbers.

This place was massive, cost the taxpayers millions, and was most likely abandoned because it had been captured on film ('92 or so). One of the questions I have, is where, if at all, did they build the "new" one? Another question I have, is what were they thinking when they built this one????????!!!!!!!!?????????

There is no doubt in my mind that this crematorium was meant for us, and I think you could say if not for the Ohio militia, it would most likely be a fully functioning crematorium right now (actually, it wouldn't take much to finish it and get it working).

"The one who does not remember history is bound to live through it again."


There's a rather chilling aerial photo of that facility at the link. The article sounds as if it was written by a student, but the information given seems too detailed to be a fabrication.

Is there a 'Catter or two living near Zanesville Ohio who could give us a first-hand acct of what is or isn't there .... and (hopefully)SAY ALL THIS ISN'T SO?!?

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 10:12 AM

A careful read of the original site for this Paranoid Times it seems obvious this is a spoof.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 10:48 AM

what is sad is how seamlessly this spoof fits in with what passes for "reality" here. You name the outlandish conspiracy theory and you can double your money that there's a 'catter who believes in it.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST,Rapaire
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 10:55 AM

Well...the photo looks to me like old, unfinished storage bunkers. But that's just my opinion on a photo the details of which I can't see clearly and can't enlarge enough.

I also went to the link for "concentration camps." I know some of these places. They ain't.

Grissom AFB, near Peru,Indiana, for instance: it's an AF reserve facility and yes, there is a prison "camp" there -- it's a medium-security facility and part of Indiana's prison system. The Prison has been there now since about 1990, when Grissom got the ax as an active-duty AFB.

Minidoka internment camp, Idaho: see here for the history and some links. I've been there, and there's little there. At the moment the site consists of 73 acres...and the memories of those who were interned or even born there -- some of whom I know.

Elco, Nevada: well, there's Elko, Nevada -- it's where they have the Museum of Western Folklore and hold the big Cowboy Poetry gathering every January. It's a nice play, and not too far from Winnemuca, another site on the list.

Camp [sic] AP Hill, Virginia: first off, it's Ft. AP Hill. There are POW camps there; I've seen them. They are used for training -- as is the entire compound. The "camps" themselves are obviously designed for training, if you go look at them. And you CAN! AP Hill has for quite a few years been the site of the National Boy Scout Jamboree (although the ACLU wants to stop this). When I was there I found that the ONLY areas closed to visiting were those where active firing of weapons were going on (and you could hear the firing). Oh, yeah -- I was there in July, 2002.

Ft. Benjamin Harrison, Indiana: former home of the US Army payroll services. Also the home of groves of the sorta-rare White Walnut tree.

Come on! I'm more concerned about the incineration of nerve gas at Touelle (I'm sure it's spelled wrong) Army Depot in Utah than about rumors of concentration camps that to my certain knowledge have been floating around since the 1960s. Or the nerve gas stored at Newport, Indiana, or at former Army depot just north of Madison, Indiana, or MTBE pollution.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 11:42 AM

Auschwitz resort: http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/gibsondad.jpg


If you don't get it thats OK. Few people know exactly how fascist Mel Gibson's dad happens to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: jimmyt
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 12:36 PM

I am from Zanesvill Ohio, my family still lives there, and no-one I know has any knowledge of this !

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 01:34 PM

Nor does anyone there (or in the surrounding area) that I know either, Jimmyt.

As I said, I first ran across this sort of thing in the radical right papers of the late '60s and early '70s. You'd think that after 40 years they'd have the damned things finished, wouldn't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: *daylia*
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 03:02 PM

which damned things - the ovens?   ;~)   

Rapaire, jimmyt - thank you both for the input. Hopefully the photo is of an abandoned storage facility, and the article a spoof. Shoulda GUEST it I guess!

Donuel, are you sure you have the right Gibson?

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 03:31 PM

Hi, Daylia.

I was responsible for hijacking the thread you reference. Donuel had started it about mass arrests and I brought in concentration camps and holding facilities. As Rapaire pointed out, many of them are legitimate. In fact, ALL of them may be legitimate. But everyone of them can be made illegitimate with one stroke of a pen. And we all know whose hand holds that pen.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: *daylia*
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 05:41 PM

Or is it the hand that holds the pin?   Gee brucie, thanks again...

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 05:51 PM

Good one, Daylia.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: DOpfer
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 06:33 PM

Back around the time you're talking (late '80's/early '90's) there were plans to build INCINERATORS for hazardous waste in Ohio that were met with great opposition.

One of the concerns was why Ohio would be used for getting rid of other states' hazardous waste. Most likely this is what these 'ovens' you talk about.

" There is no doubt in my mind that this crematorium was meant for us...." By "us" you must mean space aliens? JEEZ!


DanO

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: *daylia*
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 06:58 PM

Now that's very helpful to know, Dan - thank you for taking the time to post here!

Seems those millions would have been better spent figuring out how to catalyze (?) all that hazardous waste into useful energy instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 07:04 PM

One of the things I have noticed over the past decade and a half is that ridicule works to shut down argument or consideration of alternate views of things. Little quote from an American President:

'"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere -- so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive -- that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom, 1913'

Naw, nothin' to worry about. Business as usual.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 07:20 PM

That first GUEST was me. Sorry, had to come in the backdoor and forgot to add my name.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 01 May 05 - 01:36 PM

With the threat of biological and chemical warfare ever present, not to mention nuclear warl, biohazardous waste could be human bodies in the thousands. These facilities could have been developed with this in mind? a much more likely use in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 01 May 05 - 07:20 PM

It was probably built at the time of the Mad Cow Scare - time period.
fnord
The big doors are the giveaway - for livestock.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST,X the Unknown
Date: 01 May 05 - 08:49 PM

If anyone is really interested, Woodrow Wilson was talking about monopoly capitalists in various industries who were locking out their competition:

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/14811

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 05 - 08:52 PM

No one's interested. There are two groups of people to do with this issue. One group believes everything is ducky. The other group believes maybe things are so unducky that it's totally rotten.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 08:57 PM

And the second group are just like the Bush Administration about Iraq.... So I guess they will agree the war was a good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 05 - 09:22 PM

You are a master of something that resembles logic.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 05 - 09:23 PM

Sorry, that was a low shot. I should know that if you are in a condition such that you can't remember your name, your reasoning might be a bit on the thin side. No offense.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 09:32 PM

ad hominim, brucie. Can't you answer the question? If Bush was wrong to have suspicians, why do you think you are right? OR, if YOU want us to act on your conspiracy theories, why should Bush not have acted on his?

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 05 - 09:39 PM

What question? You didn't ask a question.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 05 - 09:44 PM

The real question--given the rationale of what you posted, is this: Bush went to Iraq to

1) overthrow Hussein. He's done that.
2) To find WMDs. There are none found so far. DING. They are well hidden or not there.

Mission Accomplished.

So, what the hell are the Americans still doing in Iraq? If you are who I think, you mentioned a long time ago that the US would be out of Irag on schedule. That I think was by Christmas. I DO wish you'd specified a decade!

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 09:45 PM

".... So I guess they will agree the war was a good thing. "

True, not a question. Therefore, I shall presume that those in the second group,( "The other group believes maybe things are so unducky that it's totally rotten. ")would agree that the Bush administration was correct in attacking Iraq, and that those who want something done about their conspiracy theories have no reason to complain whaen the US acts upon the information it believes that it has.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 09:55 PM

brucie,

the UN and international law require the US to be there until the situation is stable- ie, the terrorist stop interferring with the civil governmant. You would not want the US to do anything in violation of the UN, would you?

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 05 - 09:56 PM

"Acts upon the information it believes that it has."

Give THAT another look, will ya?

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 09:59 PM

countriea always act on what they know, or believe they know, at the time they make decisions.

If you just concede that Bush was right, then you have won the point that we should be looking into the camps and cremetoriums you seem to have found all over the place. On the other hands, if you insist Bush was wrong, why should we take any action about what you "believe to be true"? Or believe to be possible?

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 05 - 10:04 PM

Look, GUEST. I figure if the leader of the free world can say this

"WHEN I WAS COMING UP, IT WAS A DANGEROUS WORLD, AND YOU KNEW EXACTLY WHO THEY WERE. IT WAS US VS. THEM, AND IT WAS CLEAR WHO THEM WAS. TODAY, WE ARE NOT SO SURE WHO THE THEY ARE, BUT WE KNOW THEY'RE THERE."
-IOWA WESTERN COMMUNITY COLLEGE, JAN 21, 2000


then what I say about things doesn't really amount to a hill of beans.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST,locowrpony
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 01:38 PM

you need to follow the snake-pic link at the bottmo of the page to see the close up pictures that were taken of the facility - it is NOT a spoof. But, it IS easier to talk and deny than to accept - I agree!

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST, LocoWrPony
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 01:53 PM

For those of you who are calling this a hoax - I thought I'd simplify the process of you getting your feable minds to the next pics.

members.aol.com/locowrpony/politics4/index22.htm
members.aol.com/locowrpony/politics4/index23.htm
members.aol.com/locowrpony/politics4/index24.htm
members.aol.com/locowrpony/politics4/index25.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 02:33 PM

When a population is decimated by disease or weapons there is the problem of disposing of putrifying bodies. It would simply overwhelm existing facilities.

The neutron bomb however does have the unique effect of rendering corpses immune to putrification, similar to radiated preservation techniques for food - but more so.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST,Coyote Breath with irony galore
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 05:13 PM

They built an incinerator to burn the hazardous material removed from Weldon Springs and, I think, Times Beach. Don't know if it is still operational. There were complaints but no protests as far as I know.

It must have done the job since both locations are now public parks.

If you go to a Save-A-Lot grocery round these parts (East Central Missouri) you can buy a can of Axis scouring powder (with bleach!).

I wonder what they were thinking.

CB

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Cluin
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 05:32 PM

SOYLENT GREEN IS PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOPLE!

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST, LocoWrPony
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 07:26 PM

Fact: Guernsey County, Ohio Engineer (actually in Zanesville, but handles both counties)admitted no permit was ever obtained to build - which means GOVT. He said he had heard of a bird-seed processing plant going in up around there but nothing ever happened. Also said he would send someone up there to check it out and get back to me, then continually avoided my calls - and wouldn't return one either.

Fact: Vienna Air National Guard chief of security said they (their engineers and workers)were building a "manure-storage facility."

Fact: Phd's of manure storage (no shit, there really are such folks)had no idea of what this site was, but did say, IT WAS NOT a "manure-storage facility."

If you find yourself in Antrim, turn left off onto Lodge road, the site is about a 1/4 mile down the road on the right - it sits way back from the road.


Remember, when all is said and done, there is NOTHING that they can build that we can't use against them.

Brothers/Sisters in arms,
Loco
members.aol.com/locowrpony/politics/index.htm

Question: "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" (Rev. 13:4).

Answer: "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: And his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses...." (Rev. 19: 13&14).

"The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble ... And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army; for his camp is very great; for he is strong that executeth his word: ... and who can abide it?" (Joel 1:10&11).

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 10:30 PM

So what happened to the hacked satellites?

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 11:45 PM

I can't quite fathom the kind of hatefullness that could cloud someones mind like that, and I don't really want to.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: Cluin
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 11:57 PM

Looks like a Gargoyle spoor.

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST, Loco Wa Pony
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 10:14 AM

www.ohiocitizen.org/campaigns/wti/publicrelations.html

- here are your pics of a real live "waste incenerator" - which is nothing like the crematorium in Antrim. The sheep are getting restless!

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 03:53 AM

Baa!

Subject: RE: BS: Auschwitz, Ohio?
From: GUEST, LocoWarPony
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 07:57 PM

BOO!

www.abidemiracles.com/555701.htm