BS: Daggers thrust in the heart of liberty

Subject: BS: Daggers thrust in the heart of liberty
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Jun 05 - 11:52 PM

For a well written article that sums up almost every political thread on Mudcat, check this out:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1119047706712&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795

He says that every dagger thrust in the name of liberty is thrust into the heart of liberty.

I think that just about sums it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Daggers thrust in the heart of liberty
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 12:00 AM

Article here.

Subject: RE: BS: Daggers thrust in the heart of liberty
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 12:31 AM

An excerpt from the above article,m which is by Salman Rushdie, who knows extremism well:

"...I have some sympathy with all three "biases." Self-investigation followed by self-exoneration is never convincing. However, it's hard to work up genuine sympathy for a failure of niceties toward people who would never consider upholding such niceties in return — to stick up for the human rights of people who despise the idea of human rights.
And yet the growing evidence of ugly behaviour by American military personnel is distressing in the extreme, not because of the injury to the detainees, but because of the injury to ourselves, to our identity as free and moral people living "under law," to our sense of what we stand for and who we are. That identity is, or should be, something that conservatives and liberals should both be determined to defend.
"Yo soy un hombre sincero/De donde crecen las palmas ..." I've been thinking of that "truthful man from the place where the palm trees wave," the great Cuban poet Jose Marti, whose verses were adapted to make the beautiful song "Guantanamera," which was associated with Guantanamo Bay long before Gitmo.
There are lines of Marti's that are relevant here.
"Anyone who offends against the sacred freedom of our adversaries is reprehensible, and the more so if he or she does it in the name of freedom," Marti wrote. "There is no forgiveness for acts of hatred. Daggers thrust in the name of liberty are thrust into liberty's heart."
Marti's words, his "truths," allow us — indeed encourage us — to judge attacks by fanatics harshly. But even as we judge others, we should look in the mirror and say the words again.

Salman Rushdie "

Subject: RE: BS: Daggers thrust in the heart of liberty
From: Kaleea
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 05:44 AM

by Rushdie----hmmmmmmmmmm.

Subject: RE: BS: Daggers thrust in the heart of liberty
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 05:50 AM

Rushdie knows extremism, no doubt, but he also deliberately provokes it.

Subject: RE: BS: Daggers thrust in the heart of liberty
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:13 AM

Liberty's jist another word for nothin left to lose...

Digital painting of The Statue of Liberty composed of nothing but (my) words... http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/liberty-poem4.jpg