BS: Charles Keiling father of global warming

Subject: BS: Charles Keiling father of global warming
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 04:58 PM

He has died at 77 today. He measured CO2 increases and started all the hub bub about global warming.

Th Administration hopes that now that he is dead maybe it will all go away.

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Keiling father of global warming
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 05:58 PM

I think that honour goes to Thomas Midgley Jr. The man who invented the process fror putting lead in petrol and then went on to develop CFC's in the 1930's.

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Keiling father of global warming
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 04:00 AM

No, the blame goes much further back. Perhaps Thomas Newcomen, who developed the first practical steam engine. Up to that time, all power had been generated from renewable resources, wind, water or animal (including human) power. The invention also allowed exploitation of deeper coal seams, that would otherwise have quickly drowned.

Or perhaps his contemporary Abraham Darby, who developed iron smelting with coal- derived fuel.

Or perhaps the unknown colliers of the middle ages, who popularised the use of coal to replace the increasingly- scarce charcoal, thus causing Queen Eleanor's complaint about the smell of Nottingham.

But many thanks to Keiling. People do have this hopeful outlook, that their actions will have no consequences. The only remaining question being, how do we wean ourselves off this energy addiction?

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Keiling father of global warming
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 04:13 AM

Walk to work/school. This means moving house closer to work, or changing jobs.
Cook over an open fire, use straw boxes for slow cooking.
Go to sleep soon after dusk, get up at dawn - to minimise need for artificial light.
Switch off unnecessary electrical equipment - that would include this computer.
Generate electricity through wind/water/solar power. Hook up a generator to an exercise bike and do half an hour each on it every day.
Electricity to be used for absolutely essential services only - like refrigerating food (and probably TV too, for information purposes)
Eat local produce only - that means eating things in season.
Learn to ride and maintain a horse.
Make/buy a horse cart for transport.
Reduce procreation drastically - not just in third world countries, but everywhere. Target to reduce population by at least 2/3, to bring us back to the sort of numbers that are more easily sustainable through non-artificial means.

I'll start now by switching off the computer, getting back to bed to keep warm and refusing La Inglesa's advances unless we can dust off some prophylactic from somewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Keiling father of global warming
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 04:34 AM

Cook over an open fire, use straw boxes for slow cooking.

No, please don't use open fires. They are very inefficient. Use a wood-burning stove if you wish. The same amount of wood will now generate several time more useful heat.

Make/buy a horse cart for transport.

IIRC, In the UK, near the end of the 19th Century(ie when there was a well developed railway network), somewhere between a quater and a third of agricultural land was used to support horses. For a very much samller population than now.


The rest are good though.

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Keiling father of global warming
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 06:27 AM

How about replacing the horses with bio- fuelled or (renewable) electric transport? It doesn't have to be much like a present- day car: if we limit ourselves to horse- type performance, the engine could be very small indeed, and could be made to last several generations, the 'car' itself being renewed and/ or replaced. The bodywork and chassis made of renewables (wood, fibre board, wickerwork, leather etc.). Slow, so no need for powerful brakes or too much safety equipment. Just a horseless carriage. Less likely to bolt or bite. Not as smelly. Can be left a few days without food.

If the fuel is alcohol, we could also reduce the human reproduction rate drastically.

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Keiling father of global warming
From: Troll
Date: 24 Jun 05 - 06:18 PM

In New York City before the advent of the internal comubction enging and the automobile, two major sources of air pollution were fly ask from wood and coal fires and airbourne dust from horse manure. It was dropped in the street, run over by other vehicles and pulverized to become airbourne at the slightest puff of air.

It got into enervthing and on everything. There were livery stables on every block and the disposal of the stable sweepings was a major problem.

It was the same with most cities. If you want to use a horse, don't plan to do it in town or your neighbors might think harshly of you.

I think the real solution is to make suburbia illegal. You either live on and work a farm, or you live in town. And never the twain shall meet.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Keiling father of global warming
From: DougR
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 02:44 PM

Uh, if I recall correctly, in the 1970's scientests were predicting another ice age. Now it's global warming. Will they ever make up their minds?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Keiling father of global warming
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 05:03 PM

Ya know... I was taken aback by the newspaper flyer (flyers kill how many trees per day?... one is too many) for Canadian Tire a couplke of days ago... advertising a propane fired OUTDOOR fireplace!!! Seriously... with the fake logs and all. Now, is that SICK and TWISTED or what?

On the other hand, I hope Charley has arranged to be hermetically sealed so that his oxidation doesn't 'contibute'.