Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 11:39 AM

No matter which it will chuck it down with rain driving everyone into the pubs except Sam Smiths

Well t'harbour side pubs'll do alreight then waint the

Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 11:39 AM

See you Sunday - don't forget your walking cane Raggy

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 11:06 AM

Which site Les

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: LesB
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 09:24 AM

Oh my, what to pack? (apart from bucket & spade). The met office 5day weather for Whitby is Sun (today), rain, rain, rain,rain, but the BBC 5 day forcast for Whitby is Sun (today), light rain, cloud, sun, sun. Who's right? neither I suspect. Just as long as the camp site is dryer than last year.
Cheers
Les

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 09:03 AM

hi Kitty

it will be lovely to see you again, either the Endeavour or the Black Horse

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 07:54 AM

Raggy

I expect to arrive tomorrow afternoon, so hope to find you in Endeavour or thereabouts once I've checked into B&B.

Kitty

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 04:05 AM

Should be there about 3 O'clock tomorrow, anyone fancy an early session

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 02:47 AM

it's almost time

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: ossonflags
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 08:23 AM

I think I counted eleven choruses the last time Raggy !!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: gnomad
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 05:49 AM

I will second that sentiment, Raggy.

I cannot find it now, but I'm sure someone mentioned the Shambles' music licence position, and as I didn't see the end of the matter in the Whitby Gazette I popped in yesterday to check:

Unfortunately the boss wasn't there to give a definitive reply, but the staff expected to be without music next week, so it does not look good.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 05:34 AM

What you say Soldier Boy is very pertinant, I have spoken to Gil several times recently and the scenario you suggest is accurate. He is expecting a visitation from Humphrey during the week and may be ousted should any music take place. I think we owe Gil a debt for his endeavours over the past ten years to ensure ourselves that no music takes place and explain to those who may not know the circumstances

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Soldier boy
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 11:33 PM

Like you all I have been going to Whitby Folk Week for yonks and have loved the sessions in The Plough. But many-slates-short-of-a-roof-Humphrey (chairman of sam smiths brewery)has destroyed that joy and shot himself in the foot big time by banning all singing/playing.
It's not for the likes of me to try to make sense of such a crazy decision but I very much feel for the landlords/landladys who are left in an impossible position. How can they possibly police "Humphreys' Law" without causing ill feeling and hostility?
I have been told that the landlord at the Plough is fast approaching retirement and must be living in fear of this years festival because if one of Humphreys "spies", or even Humphrey himself, paid a visit and heard just a smidging of playing/singing he could be evicted within 24 hours!! I can't verify this exactly but if it's true it is a very sober reason to act rationally. Just vote with your feet and let this years massive loss of takings speak volumes. Peace brothers!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 07:07 PM

The Glaisdale train session started 5 years ago when Regatta Weekend and Folk Week clashed, I wrote and suggested to a small group that it might be a good idea to decamp for Sunday Lunchtime as the pubs may be full of non-folkies not conducive to the ambiance of our sessions (mainly singing)
On the Sunday morning, instead of the 20 -30 people I had anticipated there were about 50-60, the conductor of the train who normally has about 3 people and the occasional dog was astounded !
Since then a similar number sometimes slightly more catch the train to Glaisdale and spend the afternoon (mainly, but not exclusively) singing and making merry. Last year we had a raffle and whip round for the Runswick Bay Rescue Boat, which is not sponsored by the RNLI.
You are more than welcome to join us, it's a very free and easy session, the pub has good beer and if you desire a decent menu.
Train out approx 12.35 last train back approx 16.15 and Ossenflags and I try to time Erci Bogle's Leaving Nancy to coincide with the bumpers ............ We managed it once or twice after singing the chorus more than once!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 03:31 PM

My senior moments are becoming more frequent Jude, old age and infirmity etc Jude!!

Booker is in his rather boozy phase and with wandering hands so best all watch out ~ he must think he's Fred Jordan, he's telling more jokes, unfortunatley they are all the flippin old ones

Doctor evry time i touch my knee I get a very bad pain

O dear

Every time I touch arm I get a very bad pain

O dear


Every time I touch my leg I get a pain

O dear______ Wait for it!!!


Yes you have broken your finger

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 03:18 PM

Tell us more about the Glaisdale train session. It isn't in the programme but it sounds a great way to spend a Sunday afternoon!
Mary

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,aelfleda
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 02:18 PM

Think Ray's had a senior moment on the treasure hunt front...that happens at New Year Raymond!
Mind - I have got one to two things up my sleeve.
Jim - don't forget your front row!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: muppett
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 04:35 AM

Grandchild number 2 still inside Mum's tummy so I could be there on Sunday !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Whitby Lover
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 02:46 AM

Whatby your name, darlin?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST, One who likes to help
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 07:54 PM

Re Busking.
Yes you can busk anywhere and to hell with anyone!
The problem is that the townspeople are inundated some of the time with amplified buskers and this creates a certian amount of antipathy to the festival week. The festival therefore tries to ask people to be reasonable. But then maybe some folks just don't care!?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Sue the Borderer
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 07:45 PM

Too late to keep me posted - I start on the long trek North (from Devon) later this morning. Looking forward to seeing you folks again especially in the Tap and Spile.

If you want a break from singing come and dance (or play) with Herbaceous Border 3.45pm Mon-Fri at Scoresby Monument. Mary H, we'd love to have you dance with us again .... but this time don't put your hand in the way of that big stick like you did at Miskin!

Sue

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:13 PM

If you make it Thursday we will miss it - Anahata and I are down at Robin Hood's Bay for the afternoon.
Keep us posted.
Mary

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 01:42 PM

Never had a tresure hunt during folk week though

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 01:08 PM

Yep Jude usually has things happening in the week
Wed pm Egton show and of course the festival proper anyone any bright ideas!!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 12:41 PM

Know nothing about any treasure hunt Ray. 11am is likely to clash with workshops and things isn't it? But you may be right about size. I'm easy whichever.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 12:23 PM

Mines a pint Jimmy !!

Gathering probably best in the big room Tap and Spile whenever, bearing in mind poss treasure hunt etc

Say Thursday am ?? 11am

Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 12:06 PM

Good to hear that Jim, see you there. Sure they'll squeeze me and you in!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:55 AM

Doubt if everyone would turn up at once Raggy. We can always spill out onto the alleyway.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: MC Fat
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:52 AM

Not if you want to fit me in......By the way all fings considered it looks as though my long awaited dosh should be through this week so i will be a Whitters...yippee

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:42 AM

Hellooooooooo Mrs Duck, don't think the Black Horse would be big enough, would it?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:08 AM

Suggestions have been made for an official gathering during folk week, possibly in the Black Horse later in the week - maybe Thursday?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,SirTK
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:34 AM

Accommodation is really difficult for camping anywhere reasonable. The old Haven had space but declined my folding camper so trailer tents will have no chance.

Have these places had trouble with people in tents or something?

I'm booked in at Rigg Farm caravan park about 3 miles out so will have to use taxis. Or I could just stay off the drink I suppose.

Like I said, taxis.

cheers, Terry

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 03:50 AM

They "official" sites are sites designated by the festival, but you can just set up and busk in your own right if you wish, many do, and its very enjoyable to.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST, One who likes to help
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 08:53 PM

Indiscriminate busking during folk week is not welcomed by the festival for obvious reasons and by the police because they would prefer a quiet life. People willing to busk for the festival are welcome but they are asked to contact the office to obtain a permit and also be advised of the "official" sites.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 06:26 AM

Come to think of it, where are the best busking places at Whitby during the festival to both watch and play please, any rules etc?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 06:24 AM

I still like the busking idea outside her house/shop

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 06:18 AM

Still need to talk to police and assure them that she will abide by all regulations however a public house is a public house and if licensed for music a reasonable level of noise is what is only to be expected particulary Folk week and NOT amplified at all

Give and take is expected from both sides, many of the tourists are there mainly for Folk week anyway and all should benefit

Many years shops and pubs change owners due to non viablility
Whitby in the Winter has a very high unemployment level and summer is the only time when the pubs and shops take enough to see them thro the winter

Shops shouldnt throw the baby out with the bath water
Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 05:30 AM

Pericles ..... the problem in the Black Horse is long standing, the previous two landlords for the most part ignored it, although the last landlord Steve has visitations from the Police and licencing authorities on more than one occasion (but he was known to party till the ealry hours ......... I wasn't there Guv, 'onest I was in our house watching Banana Splits ..... la la la lala la la, la la la lala la la)

Sue is trying to walk a thin line

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: vikki
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 03:30 PM

Hi, Buttonbox question marked whether sandsend is caravans only, so i just thought i would let you know that it is, i heard that they arent even taking trailer tents this year either which they did do in the past.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: pericles
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 09:19 AM

Hello All,
                  Up-date on the pub front!
         The Buck's got new people in,not sure if folkie friendly or not i'll go and ave a gander.
         The Board also has new people in and they are.Even caught the landlord singing last week.Just throw in a couple of fishing songs and we'll be fine!Got to be the gift shop complaining next to the Black Horse,cos the other side is Justins and he is into all singing,even his own,Ive sung my heart out in The Black Horse and no-ones told me to be quiet.YET!
                                  TTFN X X

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 07:02 AM

The same goes for camping, or lack of it. I first posted back in May advising of the reduction in camping, many people may just turn up expecting to camp at Stoupes Cross or Whitby Holiday park only to find there is no space available locally, it is much better to inform as many people as possible in advance so they can make informed decisions and plan where to stay

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 05:55 AM

Agree, there will me many people looking for places to play, so it seems common sense to discuss and research prior to folk getting there, this can only help

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 04:52 AM

Au Contraire Buttonbox, with the Plough being off-limits there will be hundreds of people looking for alternative venues. If you consider how many people crammed into the Plough front room, both back rooms and the yard who will now be trying to squeeze into much smaller venues that in previous years were normally full to capacity anyway there are serious considerations regarding space. Although the Black Horse is tiny (20 people in the back room make it look crowded)it is a favoured venue and as such will be a great loss if one individual is allowed to dictate to the landlady. I also consider it valid to make people aware of potential problems before the event so that the landlady herself is not castigated.

Cheers

Raggy

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: buttonbox
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 04:08 AM

why not just relax and enjoy the festival instead of   talking/thinking in warlike terms of defence and attack, there are plenty of places to play in without geting bogged down over the fate of one place and it's problems. Relax and enjoy - I will!
cheers
BB

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 11:03 AM

Excellent idea best form of defence is attack, in this case done in a resonable manner.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 10:38 AM

Right thing to do is gazump her. Do it now

Tell the police and the local authority that this is the most important week of the year in terms of revenue and the law is made to protect both licensees and other shop owners, and ~

A balance needs to be stuck in terms of give and take and continued complaints from next door are now being view as harassment against herself as a reasonable licensee and her customers, who are seeking legitimate enjoyment at a noise level which is not inconsistent with such activities.

Then see what happens!!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 09:05 AM

Sue asked us to keep the noise down mid-afternoon following a complaint from this woman, in the past she has involved both the police and the licencing authorities in her complaints against landlords of the Black Horse, Sue it would seem wants to keep things on an amicable basis but I doubt if this woman is prepared to compromise in any way

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 08:41 AM

She's going to have to 'lump it' cant expect pubs to be quiet during folk week, one of the most lucrative times of the year

Cannot stop it during day time, but the landlady will have to watch late nights ~ or will that be when Church St will be deserted?

Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 08:10 AM

I am led to believe it is the owner of the shop next door "Fancy That" I think, she has been complaining about noise ever since she moved in some years ago. I know and you know that if you move next door to a pub you should expect noise but she doesn't seem to think this is so. We were playing in the back room during the day about 1.00 till about 3.00 and as far as I am aware Sue does have a music licence

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 07:51 AM

You could always busk outside the neigbours house then it would not involve the pub

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 07:35 AM

Who are her neigbours Nick?

When were they playing (day/time) in the front or back?

Is she licensed for music?

Ray