BS: An American Hiroshima

Subject: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: tarheel
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 05:30 PM

when i read this,it made cold chills go up my back,but we all know its coming in one fashion or another!
wake up america...or is it too late?
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An American Hiroshima?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18986

FP: Joseph Farah, welcome to Frontpage Interview. It is a pleasure to have you here.


Farah: Thank you, Jamie.



FP: In one of your recent G-2 bulletins, you discuss the evidence suggesting that Osama is planning what he calls an "American Hiroshima" and that he already has the means to do it. Al Qaeda has apparently already smuggled nuclear weapons into the U.S. This is simply terrifying. Can you tell us a bit about this?



Farah: Several reporters and top intelligence analysts -- people including me, Yossef Bodansky, the former terrorism guru to the U.S. Congress, Paul Williams, author of the upcoming book, "The Al Qaeda Connection," and others -- have been working quietly and independently for years on this issue of al-Qaida's acquisition and plans for nuclear weapons. What's happening is that this independent work has led to surprisingly similar conclusions -- that al-Qaida has nuclear weapons, probably many of them, and that some of them, according to a variety of sources, have already been smuggled into this country using our porous borders and with the help of criminal enterprises like the MS-13 gang.



There is no question, based on captured documents and captured al-Qaida leaders that Osama bin Laden has been planning his "American Hiroshima" for many years -- long before Sept. 11, 2001. When you hear U.S. officials -- from President Bush, to Vice President Dick Cheney, to the head of the FBI and Homeland Security all telling us about the "inevitability" of a terrorist attack on the U.S. with weapons of mass destruction, this is what they are talking about. They haven't come right out and made the announcements about what they know is the threat because they have determined it might create a panic. We're not reporting anything the White House doesn't know. We're not reporting anything the CIA doesn't know. We're not reporting anything the FBI doesn't know. We're just reporting what the American people don't know. And since the government is doing next to nothing to protect the American people, it seems appropriate to let them in on the dirty little secret.



There is a major threat to the U.S. civilian population from al-Qaida's existing nuclear arsenal -- and, based on the evidence, I believe some of that arsenal has already been delivered to this country.



FP: What are Al Qaeda's prime targets? Why?



Farah: Again, according to captured documents and captured al-Qaida leaders -- and some defectors -- the plans are to detonate multiple nuclear weapons in major U.S. cities -- either all at once or over a period of days. You can guess most of the prime targets -- New York, Washington, Philadelphia, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc. The only surprise, according to my sources, is that al-Qaida's list is not based on the cities with the most population. The list is based on where most American Jews live. So you see some cities like Miami and Las Vegas and San Francisco on the list. Dates are very important to al-Qaida, as we have come to know, and one of the dates mentioned in connection with this "American Hiroshima" plan is Aug. 6, the anniversary of the U.S. nuclear attack on Hiroshima in 1945. No year has been set, but it is worth noting that this Aug. 6th is the 60th anniversary of that attack.



FP: If Al Qaeda really perpetrated this horror, what would be the result?



Farah: Thre's an old joke that goes: "One nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day." Even one nuclear detonation in a major U.S. city, of course, would mean not only the deaths of potentially millions, but it would wreak havoc on the U.S. economy -- which is a always a goal with bin Laden. He doesn't want to just kill Americans. He wants to defeat the USA. He wants to bring us to our knees. And he wants to give all the glory to Allah.



FP: Could you expand a bit on the sources for this information? How do we know they are reliable?



Farah: Personally, I have been working on this project for nearly four years. This story has not come together all at once. It has come together piecemeal over that period of time. I have had what I consider to be credible sourcing on 95 percent of this for quite awhile. I withheld it from publication because I couldn't even believe it myself. I didn't and don't want it to be true. I have no desire to be right about this. I want very badly to be wrong. This is not a story that can advance my reputation, credibility, career or business interests. If I'm wrong, which I hope I am, people may some day laugh at me. I will gratefully accept that. If I'm right, nobody is going to be saying, "Gee, that Farah told it like it was." They will be focused on the national disaster that has struck us -- just as I will be. About 90 percent of the information I have gathered on this plan is from publicly sourced documents available to you and anyone else who wants to spend the time looking for them. It's only the analysis and interpretation that requires skilled -- and sometimes unnamed -- intelligence sources.



FP: Tell us a bit about Al Qaeda's cooperation with the Russians on this matter.



Farah: I don't know of any official cooperation with the Russian government. But al-Qaida has purchased the services of former KGB officers and former Spetznaz special forces troops with knowledge of maintaining and detonating the nuclear weapons it has obtained from the former Soviet Union. In addition, Russia is playing a very dangerous game in continuing to conceal the whereabouts of nuclear weapons planted on U.S. soil during the Cold War. Al-Qaida is furiously looking for these weapons with the help of those Russian agents it has procured for a price. If Russia wanted to save the world from this potential holocaust, it could contribute by telling the U.S. government where the nukes are buried -- before al-Qaida finds them. There is a very strong likelihood that if a nuclear weapon is detonated in the U.S., it will be a Russian nuclear weapon.



FP: Russia had already smuggled nuclear weapons into this country? How come they didn't set them off? Because of mutually assured destruction? Because communism crumbled in Russia and the Cold War came to an end? How come the Russians haven't disclosed their location? Because they still see us as potential enemies and are saving the nukes for a rainy day?



Farah: I believe the simple doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction did keep an uneasy peace between the USA and Soviet Union for a generation. But today Russia needs to tell the U.S. where those nukes are buried. It is an ongoing act of war to conceal these weapons of mass destruction in our country. Too many defectors have confirmed their presence on our soil. We need explanations from the Russians. To date they have even tried to deny they ever made suitcase nukes. President Bush needs to use his relationship with Vladimir Putin to get to the truth before it is too late. How would we respond as a nation to a nuclear terrorist attack in our country knowing the weapons used against us originated in Russia? Would Russia not be accountable in any way?



At least one high-ranking Russian KGB agent said indeed that some in his country still believe war between our countries is "inevitable" so the weapons must remain concealed. That is, to say the least, unacceptable.



FP: How did we get here? Could this have been prevented?



Farah: Since the reports indicate the nuclear devices came across the Mexican border -- along with thousands of sleeper al-Qaida agents -- it seems apparent to me that we have left our back door wide open. We have used our military to project force around the world, but we have not secured the perimeter. If there is a major terrorist act in this country again -- something equivalent to 9-11 or worse, President Bush will have no one to blame but himself. No longer will we be able to look back at the failings of the Clinton administration over eight years -- and there were many -- that led to Sept. 11. Bush has been in power now for five years. It was his decision not to secure the borders.



FP: Why wouldn't the Bush administration secure our borders? What are the advantages of leaving them unsecured? Is it too politically incorrect to secure them?



Farah: I've asked this question myself over and over. It is the most frequently asked question I hear from my radio audience and from the thousands of emails I receive from readers. President Bush candidly said it was a matter of cheap labor a few months ago. I believe that is dead wrong. I don't believe there is anything cheap about this labor. It is bankrupting our health-care system. It is taking jobs away from law-abiding American citizens. It is raising crime rates and it is threatening our national security.



No, I believe there is another more sinister reason. There is a master plan for global governance being plotted in meetings of groups like the Council on Foreign Relations. You can read its reports. And, I believe this open-borders policy is a direct result of those plans, which have been secretly adopted by our highest leaders, including President Bush.



FP: This scenario and information is all truly horrifying. Is there anything you can tell us that would give us grounds for optimism? Is there any hope? What can be done to prevent an American Hiroshima from transpiring, for by the evidence you present, it seems inevitable.



Farah: Pray very hard.



FP: I hear you Mr. Farah. I would never dismiss prayer – for gizzillions of reasons. But apart from prayer, my friend, what can we do? This seems so hopeless because I want to suggest that we announce that mutually assured destruction will come into effect immediately if we are hit, but then. . .who the hell do we target in a revenge attack? We can't blow up a city of the enemy because there is no city of the enemy and as a civilized democracy we simply can't do anything of this nature. Or can we? Must we make some kind of barbarian threats that might deter these terrorists? I can't see how because, unlike the communists, they aren't even interested in self-preservation anyway. They want to die. This is truly depressing. Do you have any suggestions besides the counsel to pray?



Farah: Raising awareness of the problem certainly gives the American people the option of making their own contigency plans. I know people like Buffett are. I know the federal government is. Why shouldn't the American people be made starkly aware of the impending threat?



FP: As you are aware, Dr. Jack Wheeler has argued that this whole thing – the Al Qaeda plan "American Hiroshima"etc. – is a hoax. He says it is total nonsense that Soviet suitcase nukes are here in the U.S., that there were no cell phones in 1988 (to trigger them), etc. I must admit his argument that Osama would never use a nuclear bomb even if he had one because we have thousands to strike back is not quite convincing. We have no one to strike back in this terror war (in terms of a country) and Osama and his ilk aren't particularly afraid of death. Aside from this, can you deal a bit with his dismissing of the claims?



Farah: I love Jack, but the cell phone is 30 years old. I had a cell phone in 1988. Jack's memory is a little faulty here. All one really needs to do is listen to people like President Bush, Dick Cheney, Warren Buffett and others who say not only is it possible, it is "inevitable" that nuclear terrorism will happen.



FP: Well, before we go, let me try this one more time and in a different way: suppose we all become starkly aware of the impending threat. Besides praying, is there anything we can actually do about it? Please give us some hope.



Farah: I don't use the term "inevitable." As a Christian, I don't like that term. But that's what Bush, Cheney, Ridge and many other public officials have said. I would like us, as a nation, as a people, to try to prevent it. Maybe it's that feeling of inevitability that has our public officials paralyzed. At the very least, we can minimize the impact of a future attack by denying the terrorists easy continued entry into this country by closing the borders. We should demand of our Russian friends that they come clean -- privately would be OK -- about the buried nukes in the U.S. We should get serious about the threat from within this country posed by terrorists operating within the confines of mosques and charities. We should stop discriminating against Arab Jews at the FBI, in military intelligence and in law enforcement in this country. They are fluent in the language and culture of our enemies and that would be of immense help to our national security. We must get on a war footing and enlist the help of the American people in combating this enemy. There are many things we can do -- even though the hour is late.



FP: Can you tell us a bit about the discrimination against Arab Jews at the FBI and other law enforcement agencies in this country? Why would this be happening? It makes absolutely no sense. Why do we like hiring enemies instead of friends?



Farah: We have many documented reports of Arab-American FBI translators who speak approvingly of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida being retained and relied on for sensitive intelligence-collecting positions. At the same time we have documented reports of Arab Jews -- people who fled for their lives from Iraq, Syria and other Arab countries being systematically denied those same translating positions. Why? Apparently because they might have loyalty to Israel! It is blatant anti-Semitism being demonstrated by the U.S. government. Not only is it a self-destructive and counter-intuitive operation, it is blatantly illegal. But it continues still.



Just think how many Arab Jews there are in this country who know the language and know the culture. Why aren't we tapping that resource? Some 750,000 Jews were expelled from the Arab countries in the last 50 years. Not all of them went to Israel. Many of them live right here in the U.S.



FP: Mr. Farah, it was a pleasure to have you here with us today. Thank you for coming to share this vital and traumatizing information. We won't blame the messenger. Take care my friend.



Farah: Thank you, Jamie. God bless you -- and God bless us all.


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Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 05:56 PM

I am sorry to say, Tar, that this strikes me as a dramatization rather than an analysis, especially because it comes from a site dedicated to prophetic Christian cataclysmic theology, whatever the correct term for it is.

It is indeed a scary set of assertions, but without any facts described to support it, I don't see how it is intended to do anything but make people lose sleep. What is the hard intell this guy is working from?

A

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 06:01 PM

This Farah guy is accusing Bush and his administration of being a part of a sinister, secret master plot for global governance...


"FP: Why wouldn�t the Bush administration secure our borders? What are the advantages of leaving them unsecured? Is it too politically incorrect to secure them?

Farah: I've asked this question myself over and over. It is the most frequently asked question I hear from my radio audience and from the thousands of emails I receive from readers. President Bush candidly said it was a matter of cheap labor a few months ago. I believe that is dead wrong. I don't believe there is anything cheap about this labor. It is bankrupting our health-care system. It is taking jobs away from law-abiding American citizens. It is raising crime rates and it is threatening our national security.

No, I believe there is another more sinister reason. There is a master plan for global governance being plotted in meetings of groups like the Council on Foreign Relations. You can read its reports. And, I believe this open-borders policy is a direct result of those plans, which have been secretly adopted by our highest leaders, including President Bush."

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 06:32 PM

I agree with Sister Azizi. The whole conversation strikes me as a silly exercise in doomsday prophecy. I'm almost 70 years old and I can't tell you how many times I have been told of current events being prophetic of the "End times". The goal posts are moved as needed.

"Farah" is big on scenario but tiny on source. It strikes me as something he (and others) has dreamed up and fleshed out to fit pre-existing agendas. In other words, he has "fixed the intelligence". (Where have I heard that before?)

Russians 'burying' nuclear weapons on US soil is one of those luscious bits of fantasy, imo. Obviously no one wants a nuclear holocaust and it is quite possible that it will occur. It is why the entire Cold War existed. I think, however, that formulating a scenario and passing it off as hard information from 'sources we can't name" is less than credible.

One very strange thing I have noticed many times is that "Christians" seem strangely afraid of death, as though we might be able to avoid dying IF we just do thus and so. Face it, Tarheel- the time will come when you WILL die- and each one of the rest of us too.

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 07:06 PM

My apologies. It was Amos who posted, not Azizi. (Thanks, Peace) Don't know how the mistake kicked in.

Let me repeat: I agree with Amos. (As I do virtually all the time.)

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Peace
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 07:19 PM

I do believe there is an attempt being made to 'take over the world'. That seems obvious to me. However, the use of A bombs as terrorist weapons has little to do with that. The most 'effective' place to use such a device is not necessarily in a crowded centre. People who think along that line are missing the point. I would look carefully at oil refineries, dams and in-land nuclear power plants. The explosion of a device that could be 'smuggled' into a country is limited. Terrorists would surely look for areas to use it where they can multiply its effects with secondary disruptions. I have always wondered why the Towers were chosen when there is a rich target just across the river in New Jersey.

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 07:34 PM

Your typical fission device needs maintainence and would no longer fire if left unattended for years. Tritium gas leaks out etc.

The actual shelf life of an A bomb is highly variable. I am only guessing but 5-7 years seems about right.

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 07:38 PM

I have to really watch my reaction when I hear folks say our sons, fathers, daughters, mothers, etc. are dying in Iraq "to keep America free." They are dying because those around the world who make the most money from oil, gas, and conflicts about power, which they are really "into," have put them there as a diversion, as a way of making folks feel paranoid, paralysed with fear, polarised, zenophobic, etc., etc. It makes great press and keeps the masses "on edge" where they are afraid to make a change.

The amount of malpractice being perpetrated against the consciousness (minds) and hearts of people all over the world, through the In-Country and Mass Exportation of Fear by Bush et all is overwhelming. When those in authority make the kind of claims he has, and as the initial posting in this thread has done, the masses believe them. It's a plain, simple fact used in advertising all of the time. Prescription drug ads are a prime example: tell folks enough times they MAY have overactive bladder, limp dick, etc. enough times and to use YOUR drug to fix it and they will begin to self-diagnose, to BELIEVE they have such a malady and do exactly what the ads tell them to do...tell their docs and ask for the drug, by name.

Would that Bush really was just a "chicken little"...but, with the power of his office, imo, HE is THE most dangerous "terrorist" in the known world, today. His Fear-Mongering and the actions he takes are why.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Azizi
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 07:39 PM

For the record, Ebbie, I also agree with Amos that "the whole conversation strikes me as a silly exercise in doomsday prophecy".

I pray that we are right that this information is as bogus as bogus can be.


{Sister} Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 07:53 PM

If we can all focus our minds on Peace and not let ourselves be inundated from the airwaves of Fear, it WILL help. Two important quotes, imo:

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
-- Margaret Mead

And from my own beloved Rosicrucian Order, A.M.O.R.C, which just planted a beautiful Peace Garden in San Jose, CA:

I contribute to Peace when I strive to express the best of myself in my contacts with others.

I contribute to Peace when I use my intelligence and my abilities to serve the Good.

I contribute to Peace when I feel compassion toward all those who suffer.

I contribute to Peace when I look upon all as my brothers and sisters regardless of race, culture, or religion.

I contribute to Peace when I rejoice over the happiness of others and pray for their well-being.

I contribute to Peace when I listen with tolerance to opinions that differ from mine or even oppose them.

I contribute to Peace when I resort to dialogue rather than to force to settle any conflict.

I contribute to Peace when I respect Nature and preserve it for generations to come.

I contribute to Peace when I do not seek to impose my conception of God upon others.

I contribute to Peace when I make Peace the foundation of my ideals and philosophy.

Copyright Rosicrucian Order, A.M.O.R.C

Mind you, I don't always measure up, but I do try!;-)

kat

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:09 PM

Donuel

Tritium is only used in fusion devices. It has a short enough half-life that there is a need to make more now, just to maintain existing stocks.
Uranium and plutonium, however, have halflives measured in thousands of years- so a few decades would not make much difference. The explosive used to set it off might decay- but as is seen in Iraq, the stockpiles from 15 years ago seem to be working just fine.

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 09:04 PM

Thaks, Azizi. Obviously, I just read your mind!

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 09:12 PM

Yes, the U235 and Pu239 would still work. But the firing circuits, batteries, etc. very well might not.

However -- complicated circuitry isn't necessary. Just have a fanatic slam two subcritical masses together as fast as possible. The result will be low yield (perhaps in the 0.5 to 0.8 KT range) and very, very "dirty." Neither of which will matter to the dead....

There are other scenarios too, and I will NOT go into them.

A nuclear explosion in or near some US city, probably within the next ten years, would not surprise me at all.

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 10:16 PM

REPENT!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 10:17 PM

IMPEACH!


A

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 10:26 PM

Even better, IMPEACH!

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 10:32 PM

I heard the American Hiroshima argument on AM radio two weeks ago. Guess which show? Yeah, I knew you'd get it.
Anyhow, it's a load of horse manure.

Hakman (Donuel) as usual is trying to fantasize that he has a clue. Tritium is a component of advanced weapons, and was not used in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs. Nevertheless, by accident he is slightly correct (the way an unwound watch is correct twice a day). Bombs need a modicum of maintenance. And although it is easy to design and build a low yield uranium device, you need a lot of uranium and it won't be a big bomb by current standards. To put together a plutonium weapon takes a lot of skill, technology, and testing.

Osama actually bringing off a nuclear attack, much as I'm sure he'd like to, is of very very low likelihood.

If you look at what this world-wide terrorist network has really been able to do over the past ten years, it seems to be diminishing in effectivenes rather than the other way round.

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 10:33 PM

"An American Hiroshima"

Well, they say, "Turn about is fair play... "

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: bobad
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 10:34 PM

IMBIBE!

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 11:09 PM

We have your number TarHeel and KatLaughing.

Thank you for your database input.

Sleep well, we seldom work on weekends.

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Kaleea
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 11:47 PM

Yes, scary stuff meant to scare us. The lesson of Sodom & Gomorrah is inferred by the "all yahooda" bad guys in their videos, with Americans being on the wrong side of the tracks. However, the real lesson may be that if only a few of us can keep our faith in humanity, we may be able to keep a real world war from being a reality.

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 11:49 PM

I think I like your lesson better, Kaleea.


A

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 12:53 PM

Such things are always possible. Having died anyway, many times before, why should I walk around in a state of panic NOW over the fact that I might die again?

Will it help make my day or my life better? I don't think so.

I do pray each day for positive things. I recommend that to anyone who feels so inclined.

Life is a dream. Make it a good one.

Subject: RE: BS: An American Hiroshima
From: Azizi
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 01:59 PM

Ebbie can read minds???!!!

I'm scared of you, girlfriend!