Moses and The Ref - new website

Subject: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Singing Referee
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 07:14 AM

Hi everyone!

Moses and I now have a website which includes a couple of clips of us singing.

Any feedback wecome.

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Singing Referee
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 07:15 AM

Or even welcome!

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Ross
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 07:46 AM

Wow - that's really impressive

How did you do that then?

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Singing Referee
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 07:56 AM

Witchcraft!

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 08:53 AM

It displays well in IE but, at least on my machine, in Netscape or Firefox the background colour is missing (something to do with stylesheets I guess since there is no obvious .jpg file in the page source) so there is white text on a white background!

I worked out that that there should be text there and was able to read it by highlighting it before checking on IE. I don't know if you built the site using MS software which may explain why other browsers don't seem to be fully compatible.

Worth checking on other machines and browsers in case it's just a quirk of mine.

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: treewind
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 09:49 AM

Yes indeed, somthing to do with stylesheets...

Steve, you have taken the style directives out of the page and into a separate stylesheet file mrstyle.css (a good idea) but have left the <STYLE> tag and HTML comment pair (<-- and -->) wrapped round it. You need to take those lines out to make it a valid CSS style sheet and it will then work properly in all browsers.

Anahata

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Ross
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 10:24 AM

crikey - that's definitely witchcraft

Didn't one of the witches from Eastwick play the cello

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Singing Referee
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 10:33 AM

Thanks Kevin & Anahata

OK try it now.

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 10:36 AM

I can't read it in Mozilla/Firefox so I posted the URL into IE which I keep solely for the purpose of testing. It's crashed it! I love it when that happens! It's the only way we have to wave fingers at Mr Gates.

(But I look forward to seeing the site once you've fixed it!)

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: GUEST, Hamish
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 10:38 AM

Hah! Very sexy. And the website's nice, too.

Two minor quibbles: "Anna Water" on the MP3 page. "Annan Waters" on the repertoire page. Combine the two and I think you may be on to something   ~8^)

And, for the anoraks (like me!) Annan Water is a traditional song, to a traditional melody. But it was Nic Jones who first combined them, so, technically, you could argue it's "trad/trad/arr. Jones". As covered by Kate Rusby.

All the best: you seem to be getting plenty of gigs - as you deserve to! Keep it up! ~8^)

--
Hamish

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Singing Referee
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 10:38 AM

Hi Countess,

Can't imagine why it's crashed your IE, but I've made the changes suggested by Anahata so perfaps it'll be OK in Mozilla/Firefox now.

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 10:40 AM

Looks fine in both Netscape and firefox now, I haven't checked IE as I only tend to use that if the preferred browser isn't working, but I'm sure it'll be OK

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: GUEST, Hamish, again
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 10:52 AM

otoh, why is the home page you get when you press refresh different from the home page you get when you click on "home"?

But I do approve of the "If you've found this site via a search engine and entered at one of the content pages you may not have access to the full site. If you do not see a menu and picture down the left hand side of this page click here to access the full site." clause. That does happen, doesn't it? otoh(2) that's a disadvantage of frames.

disclaimer: sorry if you've strayed into this thread thinking it must be dead interesting cos it's got lots of traffic and you've instead stumbled upon my ravings and ramblings. It wasn't me. A big boy did it and ran away.

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 11:04 AM

Hi Steve,

Well it works great in Opera but Mozilla still has white on white type but the pix are pretty (well, Christine is anyway!) A good argument for standards compliant browsers, no?

As someone once said, IE works according to a complicated system of string, bogies and half-arsed guesses whereas Mozilla works to pre-defined standards and, unfortunately, because of Gates Inc's near monopoly of the browser market, the string-bogies-guesses model has become a de facto standard and sites written to work on IE often appear broken for standards compliant browsers. This wouldn't be too bad if it weren't for the fact that the IE rendering can't do a lot of the advanced functions that the stardards can. The internet would look positively beautiful if authors didn't have to dumb their pages down to IE's standards.

One more quibble: Tom Waits (without an E).

Diane

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Singing Referee
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 11:13 AM

Thanks everyone, what a great community theis is!

Hamish, during development I introduced the initial entry page and didn't bother renaming everything. Lazy git or what!

And Countess, in the same veign as above, I'm affaid I've not been too careful about use of html structure and end tags in my code, so if Mozilla is fussy about these things that probably explains things.

Once again thanks everyone.

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: treewind
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 01:43 PM

Yes, It's looking better now (but I had to navigate all over it and press refresh several times before the background came up)

Re IE - the problem is sometimes that IE is just too tolerant of non-compliant code. In this case it ignored the invalid stuff at the beginning of the CSS file and used what it could find; Firefox seemingly decided the file wasn't valid CSS because of the garbage at the beginning and ignored it. Both approaches have some merits, of course, but the difference shows why you should test your code on several browsers.

Re end tags: whereas most browsers can tolerate missing end tags all over the place as far as HTML parsing is concerned, they much more likely to foul up CSS, so since using CSS I've been much more rigorous about end tags. (I once worked for a company whose main product is a web browser, so I'm particularly sympathetic to the compatibility nightmares their designers face.)

Nice site, anyway. Good luck with the gigs!

Anahata

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 02:04 PM

Nice looking site. A couple of thoughts:

What you are doing with frames could easily be done with tables and a bit of thought, on a small site like yours (and it would look better)

If you are going to use the "mailto" function, then please put the full address on the page. Many of us use web based email, and copy and paste email addresses from websites. Your approach doesn't work for us.

Oh, and it's "Nic Jones" not "Nick"

Hope that helps

Ed

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Singing Referee
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 02:11 PM

Ok Ed. I'd not thought of that.

Re Nic Jones; typing on autopilot!

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Singing Referee
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 02:20 PM

Thanks Ed, should be OK now.

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 02:21 PM

Wow, you're quick at making corrections!!!

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Singing Referee
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 02:31 PM

"The Devil makes work...." and all that!

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Ross
Date: 30 Sep 05 - 09:47 AM

Great work Steve

Thanks for all the help in supporting the Bull in Barton over the years

Can't wait for the CD and the second half

Subject: RE: Moses and The Ref - new website
From: Singing Referee
Date: 30 Sep 05 - 12:42 PM

Thanks Ross,

I can only manage 45 minutes these days!

It'd be good to see you on Sunday at the Spotlight.