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Subject: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Pseudolus Date: 14 Oct 05 - 03:02 PM I would like to tell you all a story. Please bear with me if it gets lengthy. When I was about thirteen years old my parents took us to the beach for two weeks! What a blast. Beautiful weather every day and we were less than a block from the beach. On Thursday of the first week we noticed that no one else was swimming in the ocean. As we got closer I heard someone say something about jellyfish. My brother asked my dad what they were talking about and he explained that jellyfish sting you and the results are at best very uncomfortable so we couldn't swim. I was bored but my brother and sister got out their beach toys and started playing in the sand. After a while two guys came up to us and asked if they could borrow two of the buckets my brother wasn't using. They were gonna "clear the area of jelly fish so that people could get back in the water". All of us kids got really excited but I noticed that my dad was trying his best to not laugh. I then got my first understanding about current and tides and the numbers that jelly fish travel in. My dad explained that he didn't want to kill their spirits, which is why he gave the buckets over. He did warn them but they were sure they could do it and he still allowed them to give it a shot. After about 20 minutes, two very red, very stung and very tired young men returned the buckets and announced that they had in fact failed and there was nothing they could do about the jelly fish but encouraged others to pick up where they left off. There were no takers. This is where I've come to in the debate with The Shambles. I thank you all for not killing my spirit as I started into the water. I appreciate the civility with which this debate was taken by everyone including Roger. My only hope is that some of you watching me splash about amongst the jellys got a bit of a chuckle out of my effort. I would be disappointed if I didn't get at least one, I told ya so. For what it's worth, I don't disagree with everything Roger says. The biggest thing I disagree with is that the clones are out to get him or that the clones treat him differently than anyone else. He makes some good points but when they are in the middle of a cut and paste post that I have read parts of several times, I can't separate the "agree with" from the "don't agree with". That doesn't make him wrong; it's just too hard for me to sift through it all. So my quest to be the arbitrator par excellence has ended. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: gnu Date: 14 Oct 05 - 03:15 PM And, if ya cut off one of the arms of a starfish, it grows back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 14 Oct 05 - 03:23 PM Shambles (a thread on the HELP forum). Censorship on Mudcat Max what about Shambles requests In the UK Closing threads |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: gnu Date: 14 Oct 05 - 03:26 PM Ya just don't get it, do ya? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: robomatic Date: 14 Oct 05 - 05:23 PM BTW, The proper parlance on the California beach these days is to refer to them as "jellies". I don't know if it is taxonomic or PC-onic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Peace Date: 14 Oct 05 - 06:23 PM '"jellies"' They goes good on toasts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: bobad Date: 14 Oct 05 - 06:24 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Pseudolus Date: 15 Oct 05 - 12:22 AM Bobad, you make a good point...I agree. :) Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Folkiedave Date: 15 Oct 05 - 12:40 PM Been a serious problem here on the Costa Tropical in Southern Spain. Over 5,000 people treated locally for jelly-fish stings. Lovely word in Spanish - Medusa! Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: gnu Date: 15 Oct 05 - 12:59 PM When I was a tad, I was diving and swimming off the wharf at Cap de Cassie near Shediac, New Brunswick, Canada. I was just about to take another running flying leap when a big commotion began. A man was pulled up onto the wharf with almost the entire left side of his body badly "burned" from diving into what is locally called a Spanish Man-o'-War. I had had lot of jellyfish stings but never even knew these big buggers existed. Never dove into salt water since. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Peace Date: 15 Oct 05 - 03:54 PM From Australia. Just imagine getting stung by THIS sonuvabitch. "Most jellyfish are not dangerous to humans but a few are highly toxic, such as the Cyanea capillata. Contrary to popular belief, the menacingly infamous Portuguese Man O' War (Physalia) isn't actually a jellyfish, but a colony of hydrozoan polyps." And as gnu said, even the thought of getting stung by a colony of hydrozoan polyps--well, where is William Shatner when ya REALLY need 'em. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: gnu Date: 15 Oct 05 - 04:36 PM Oh... maybe it was a "Portuguse Man O' War" rather than a Spanish one... perhaps I have my biology mixed up with my history mixed up with my geography. SNAFU. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Peace Date: 15 Oct 05 - 04:39 PM A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. A chrysanthamom by any other name would be easier to spell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: gnu Date: 15 Oct 05 - 04:41 PM Chrysanthemum? It is a bitch, innit? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Peace Date: 15 Oct 05 - 08:11 PM Yeah. What HE said! |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Peace Date: 15 Oct 05 - 08:12 PM Ya figger Steinbeck would have entitled the short story, "The Petunia" or "The Daisy". But noooooooo, he had to call it "The What Gnu Said". |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 15 Oct 05 - 08:35 PM Yeah - I think the Shambles (and the denizons of dozens with like minded spirits - should/must be banned.)
They are a scourge to musical American Folk/Blues and the mission of the MudCat.
Sincerely,
dancing round May-poles in the village square is a dandy place for these dancers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 15 Oct 05 - 09:10 PM The very small Aussie jelly fish is one of the most deadly - can be fatal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: JennyO Date: 16 Oct 05 - 08:21 AM Bruce, you were stung by a wild papaya tree??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 16 Oct 05 - 08:26 AM The biggest thing I disagree with is that the clones are out to get him or that the clones treat him differently than anyone else. The claim is - from some of our anonymous volunteer fellow posters - is that their imposed editing actions are NEVER selective or personally motivated. I simply refer to and provide the evidence - usually in their own words - for our forum to judge for themselves if this claim is in fact supported by the evidence. In return I am subjected to publicy made assumptions about my motives, abusive personal attacks, name-calling and to becoming the subject of public gossip and judgement on our forum from many of these volunteer fellow posters ( and their supporters) most of whom I have never met. Which does tend to make these claims for impartial treatment and claims that the editing actions that are evidenced on our forum are not personally motivatied - rather suspect. Those who wish to ignore the evidence - shoot the messenger and appear to prefer to live in a land of clouds and cuckoos are welcome to this delusion. I remain to be convinced that this cloud cuckoo land is now really open and welcoming to all posters on an equal basis - as is still also the claim. But I am a man who is always open to persusasion................. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 16 Oct 05 - 09:18 AM ... but not always to being easily convinced... |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 16 Oct 05 - 09:54 AM Do many really make the effort to try? Perhaps the majority do agree with me? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: LilyFestre Date: 16 Oct 05 - 10:14 AM Darn. I thought this was going to be a thread about the Jellyfish picks....I suppose it IS spelled differently...Jellifish...but hey...you never, EVER know what is in these threads until you open them! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 16 Oct 05 - 10:59 AM This is where I've come to in the debate with The Shambles. I thank you all for not killing my spirit as I started into the water. I appreciate the civility with which this debate was taken by everyone including Roger. My only hope is that some of you watching me splash about amongst the jellys got a bit of a chuckle out of my effort. I would be disappointed if I didn't get at least one, I told ya so. Frank you seemed to miss the main point of your story. Unless the point of posting it was just to play publicly to the crowd? I feel the futile fight with jellyfish and tides was less your 'debate' with me. For you overlook that my whole point is first a reaction to a futile attempt at the control of others. Our anonymous volunteer fellow posters are set up to protect us from your jellyfish. My reaction accepts the reality - that any attempt to control aspects that are beyond control and by using methods that have no hope of working - not only futile - they are often counter-productive. They can also be open to abuse if others continue to support these measures - largely because they may be told by those who make the attempt - that these futile attempts at control are well-intentioned. There is no doubt that attempts to clear your beach of jellyfish was both well-intentoned and futile. Other beach users may initially support these good intentions and humour them. But if the attempt involved our volunteers imposing restrictions on where and when others could swim and placing miles of line and netting along the beach - that swimmers could get caught-up in and drowned - they may consider the attempt to be well-intentioned but too counter-productive to continue supporting. So it is with our forum. All of the imposed editing is only a reactive measure. It can only delete or alter what has already been posted. A bit like clearing your beach of a few already dead jellyfish (and at the same time restricting and clearing the beach of incocent bathers) when there are thousands of live jellyfish just bobbing about offshore and waiting for the next tide? On our forum, the only real control is over what you choose to open - to post - or choose not to. Anything else - no matter how well-intentioned - is really futile and risks being counter-productive and open to abuse. Or if you like - accepting that the times and tides that you choose to visit your beach is the best way you can be free of jellyfish. Rather than encouraging other bathers in futile attempts to tangle you up with netting or running about with buckets or having restrictions on when and how you can visit - being imposed upon you. Those volunteers on the beach may have decided long-ago that their attempts to control the jellyfish were futile - However, some of them may may just enjoy continuing to exert their control upon their fellow bathers? After a time - some may even think they have aright to sting some of their fellow bathers themselves - instead of waitng for the jellyfish to do it........ |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Pseudolus Date: 16 Oct 05 - 11:31 AM I said what I was going to say about the debate. I didn't start this thread to continue the debate elsewhere. And if I use a story to make a point I think I would know what the point of using it was. Either way, I am asking you as nicely as I can. Please don't hijack this thread to continue a debate that is over. I said what I wanted to say and I asked nicely to end the debate at least between you and I. One of the issues you have is when posters use your threads for their own personal needs. The debate thread is still open. Can you please use that one? Thanks, Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Peace Date: 16 Oct 05 - 11:37 AM "Bruce, you were stung by a wild papaya tree???" Darn right, JennyO. And the antidote is to take a jellyfish and put it on the papaya tree sting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:20 PM I said what I was going to say about the debate. I didn't start this thread to continue the debate elsewhere. And if I use a story to make a point I think I would know what the point of using it was. Either way, I am asking you as nicely as I can. Please don't hijack this thread to continue a debate that is over. I said what I wanted to say and I asked nicely to end the debate at least between you and I. One of the issues you have is when posters use your threads for their own personal needs. The debate thread is still open. Can you please use that one? Not sure that this thread has a subject or if it is really possible to "hi-jack" a BS thread or indeed any thread. It possibly does sound quite noble to some - to accuse another poster of such a thing - even when all the posers is doing in reality is posting to a thread on our forum. Perhaps it is better if such dramatic terms can be avoided and we just respond to or ignore what is actually being said in the post - rather than use it as an excuse to judge both it and the poster? Frank you did not just tell a story in your first post - you also made specific references to and about me. And you started another thread to do this in - rather than making them in the one where the continuing debate is taking place. It was a good story. Starting a thread to make public comments about a named fellow poster is perhaps not the best example to follow or set But that is your choice and as far as I am concerned you are welcome to post to any thread and say what you wish to. Perhaps if I also ask you nicely - you would be kind enough to allow me and other posters to have that choice also? All power the the true jellyfish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:39 PM The True Jellyfish. http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/cnidaria/scyphozoa.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Liz the Squeak Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:48 PM Nope.... no good... .read these posts through 3 times now and still they make no sense... except the papaya tree. I like papaya. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Peace Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:49 PM Easy for YOU to say. You never been stung by one! |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 17 Oct 05 - 04:22 AM Opening threads - a debate |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 17 Oct 05 - 04:50 AM Circular Links - a Debate |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 17 Oct 05 - 05:20 AM Thread proliferation control |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 17 Oct 05 - 05:51 AM Jellyfish prohibitions |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 17 Oct 05 - 09:01 AM I suppose it takes up less space to spaek in links... |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 17 Oct 05 - 03:47 PM Jellyfish creepin' back in |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 18 Oct 05 - 03:56 AM We're Alright Jack |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Pseudolus Date: 18 Oct 05 - 09:30 AM OK, well, back to the actual topic..... My dad used to amaze us all as kids (we were easily amused) by picking up a jellyfish by putting his hand on the top of the jelly and scooping it out of the water. He didn't get stung cause the uh, whatdaya call em, tentacles? stingers? are on teh underneath side. My brother, in an attempt to do the same, was not able to scoop properly and wound up holding the jelly in a way that made his hand very red and stung. We kidded him about that for years! Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 18 Oct 05 - 10:51 AM So it was not about announcing to our forum that your "quest to be the arbitrator par excellence has ended"? If was truly and only about the true jelly fish - why didn't you make this clear? But as jelly fish are subject to the tides and to drift - the subject of BS threads does tend to also drift naturally - where it will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 19 Oct 05 - 05:46 AM Many animals like jelly fish have bad reputations. If it matters - some of these bad reputations may be deserved but some may not. For example the assumption made by some for example – that bats are dubiously motivated denizens of the night that set-out with the sole intention of getting tangled-up in people's hair. For some reason - you may attempt this assumption and choose to set-out on an honest attempt to convince someone who thought that bats served many beneficial functions and did not in fact get caught-up in people's hair – that they were mistaken. However during this investigation and debate - you may not in fact find much evidence to support this generally expressed assumption that bats gets tangled-up in people's hair. You may actually find that the firm evidence supporting the idea that bats do not get tangled-up in people's hair would strongly contradict the generally expressed assumptions that they do. At this point - you could then set about trying to establish why – against the evidence - these unsupported assumptions are still so set in the minds of some? Or at this point – you could always say (as many do) that it did not matter very much. However, having already expended a lot of effort – this course of action at this stage may appear a little foolish To choose at this point – against the evidence - to make yet another groundless assumption about the possible motivations of bats - may appear even more foolish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: GUEST,wld Date: 19 Oct 05 - 09:57 AM I've never known a jelly fish that you describe as true, they are wobbly and promiscuous - in the same way that many people tend to be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Ebbie Date: 19 Oct 05 - 10:16 AM In Alaskan waters fishermen frequently get stung by the 'jellies'. A friend of mine is/was a gillnetter and it's a real pain (no pun intended!) to clear the net and gear of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 19 Oct 05 - 10:21 AM Many might be expected to agree that Jellyfish, at the mercy of life's currents, are an accidental hazard, inadvertently getting under people's skins. Bats too, given the poor sonar reflections, might be excused for getting in people's hair. Getting up everyone's noses?..........Well that is a chosen activity. Need I say more. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Bill D Date: 19 Oct 05 - 11:55 AM no one NEED say more, but no doubt some will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 19 Oct 05 - 12:10 PM Subject: RE: BS: On strike and in contempt of court From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM Date: 15 Oct 05 - 09:17 AM I hope you get what you should have a right to, Dianavan. Everyone should have those basic rights, whatever the cost. Don T. Well once you give a bat a bad name and enough Jelly Fish are encourgaged to jump on the bandwagon - some poor old bats appear to be buggered. Whatever right they may have to their chosen activity........But there is no accounting for taste or for mixing the metaphors. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: The Shambles Date: 19 Oct 05 - 02:56 PM Perhaps you would accept that the scent of sweet nectar and the smell of shit both get up your nose and that how you judge them – is a matter of taste? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 19 Oct 05 - 07:20 PM What I find difficult to accept is people who quote my words on a different, and very specific subject, out of their original context, and try to use them to prove their own different and nauseatingly repetitive point. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: LilyFestre Date: 19 Oct 05 - 08:13 PM Good Lord. Are you STILL arguing Shambles. Isn't there an AA for that....Argumentative Anonymous or something?!?!?!?! C'mon man...it's a new day...let it go...enjoy life for a few minutes...it is NOT all a conspiracy... Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Pseudolus Date: 19 Oct 05 - 08:43 PM ...like the energizer friggin bunny Lil.... Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story From: Blowzabella Date: 20 Oct 05 - 04:42 PM I wondered where he'd gone... |
