BS: Al Q'eda: Nature of an Enemy?

Subject: BS: Al Q'eda: Nature of an Enemy?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 11:17 AM

One of the issues I have always had with the gangstas in DC since 9-11 is that while they used the deaths at the WTC for plenty of political, fear-driven "capital" they were very quick to take their eye off the target and try to integrate the actual battle announced by that attack with a host of other political agendae. This compromised both the battle AND thepolitics badly.

A recent news article on the qualities that seem to drive Al Q'eda in operation: greed, pride, glory-lust and venality:

"By Mohammed al Dulaimy

Knight Ridder Newspapers



RAMADI, Iraq - Al-Qaida in Iraq, the dreaded terrorist group headed by Abu Musab al Zarqawi, has broken with local Sunni Muslim Arab insurgent groups in central Iraq, in some cases resulting in gun battles on the street.


On Sunday, fighting between insurgent groups started at a central intersection in war-torn Ramadi - the capital of the Sunni heartland province of Anbar - just past the downtown movie theater. As many as two dozen men fired automatic weapons and blasted away with shoulder-mounted rockets as al-Qaida in Iraq ambushed members of three local groups.


Eyewitnesses and Sunni insurgents said it was a fight between groups that would've been considered allies three months ago. One al-Qaida in Iraq fighter was killed, and an unknown number on each side were injured.


The groups have fallen into disputes about money and tactics, including over whether to participate in Iraq's political system. Residents think the strong support that al-Qaida in Iraq has had in the heart of Anbar province is starting to fracture, if not completely break. The group is dominated by non-Iraqis.


Staff Sgt. Don Dees, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, said he wasn't aware of the situation and couldn't comment.


It's hard to gauge the impact of a split among insurgent groups on the United States war effort. There's no sign that the insurgents are any more tolerant than before of the American presence or more supportive of U.S. political efforts in Iraq.


Still, a split in Ramadi could blunt the influence of al-Qaida in Iraq, as the city in the so-called Sunni Triangle has been at the epicenter of fighting for the past 18 months and generally is seen as the heart of the group's power in the country. The group has taken credit for many of the country's more vicious terrorist attacks.


Ramadi, just north of Fallujah, gained attention in April 2004, as coalition forces surrounded and bombarded Fallujah, and al-Qaida in Iraq and local insurgents picked Ramadi as their new headquarters. Fighting that week killed 16 Marines from one outpost. The pace of attacks has continued, making the city one of the most dangerous spots in Iraq.


Kamil Ahmed, a 40-year-old resident with long-standing ties to local insurgent groups, said the break started in the summer, when al-Qaida in Iraq started killing police who showed up for work, breaking an insurgent agreement to let the officers do their jobs.


The split intensified when the group assassinated several sheiks, in mosques, for criticizing its actions. Insurgent groups also went against al-Qaida in Iraq and urged citizens to vote in the constitutional referendum in October and in the upcoming December national elections. Al-Qaida in Iraq had characterized voting as cooperating with the Americans.

Ahmed said the final straw was about money. He said businesses and even some government offices around Ramadi had been paying local insurgents protection money, as much as $70,000 a month. Al-Qaida in Iraq demanded the money.

"Al-Qaida said they needed the money to operate. The others needed it to create their own footprint on the insurgent effort," he said. "This is the basis for all armed groups, the fight for money and glory. What we have now is a very severe split. Open warfare isn't far behind."

By Monday, al-Qaida in Iraq had pasted fatwa, or holy orders, on mosques throughout the area calling for the assassinations of leaders, members and "spies" from the Iraqi Islamic Army, one of the nation's largest insurgent factions, along with The Revolutionary Group and the Ramadi-based Abu Khatab."

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I am delighted to see the schism between Al Q and the local insurgency develop. If Al Q wants to help suppress the violent insurgency in Iraq, let them. Anything to spare a few lives of non-combatants. Meanwhile, perhaps the blundering witless at the "top" of our own pyramid can figure out a way to target the actual sources of hostilities -- Al Qeda, first, and our own intransigent international attitudes, second.

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Subject: RE: BS: Al Q'eda: Nature of an Enemy?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 12:50 PM

'blundering witless' - ooohhh. Good one. Very funny too, if it were not true.

Subject: RE: BS: Al Q'eda: Nature of an Enemy?
From: dianavan
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 03:14 PM

"This is the basis for all armed groups, the fight for money and glory. What we have now is a very severe split. Open warfare isn't far behind."

..and this is what we all feared. It was never as simple as the Americans are the good guys. It was never going to be as simple as bringing 'democracy' to the Iraqis.

Subject: RE: BS: Al Q'eda: Nature of an Enemy?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 04:19 PM

Thanks for that information, Amos.

Here's a similar argument from another source and another angle:

We don't need al-Qaida (from the GUARDIAN)

Abu Theeb is the leader of a band of Sunni insurgents that preys on US targets north of Baghdad. Last week he openly defied al-Qaida in Iraq by actively supporting the referendum. Ghaith Abdul-Ahad spent five days with him - and uncovered evidence of a growing split in the insurgency

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Al Q'eda: Nature of an Enemy?
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 11:35 PM

Amos:

I thought you were at the top.