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Subject: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 03:50 PM

Good lord!!! What are they thinking? Steve and his bunch ain't that bright, but... a winter election? IT IS CANADA. WINTER ELECTIONS CAN HAVE PROBLEMS YA TWIT!!!! Seriously, what the heck is wrong with these idiots? Or, are they all liberals in wolf's clothing?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 11:39 PM

If we don't have the elections in winter, gnu, then that leaves only the two weeks of summer in July.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: dianavan
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 01:18 AM

We all know whats happening anyway. Bush has sent his neo-conservative think tank to Canada. They have headquarters in Ontario, Alberta (Lethbridge?) and now Langley, B.C. They are busy forming a fundamentalist coalition. Now that the Liberals have blown it with 'pork barreling', they actually have a very good chance of being elected.

Sad to say that our wonderful Vancouver City Council and Mayor, School Trustees and Parks Board have all been ousted by right leaning parties. I have a hard time understanding why. It was a very functional city government who actually accomplished many, many community projects. Its frightening to think of a city government aligned with the criminals in Victoria and now, maybe Ottawa, too.

Sometimes you just have to shake your head and walk away.

The voters in B.C. are so wierd. Doesn't matter who is in power, they always vote them out. I think everybody just hates politicians, period, and its just their way of saying the whole process stinks.

If Harper becomes Prime Minister, I'm dropping out for the second time. The first time was because of Nixon.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Conservatives (I actually liked Joe Clark) but Harper is another animal. I hope the public can see through him but I fear its a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 01:20 AM

Alberta is just the opposite. It doesn't matter who is in power, they always re-elect them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Metchosin
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 01:51 AM

Bah! Humbug!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 01:51 AM

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Metchosin
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 02:47 AM

Or perhaps more appropriately, "God help us, every one."


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Paul Burke
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 05:09 AM

What is it you extreme rightwing Merkins have against Canada? Is it because they make you look nearly as bad as you are?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peter T.
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 05:46 AM

The real election will be between the puritanical streak in the Canadian psyche and the pragmatic streak. Stephen Harper with those blue eyes and the prissy mouth may convince the voters to throw out the Liberal bastards, and then "shrink government" by eviscerating the federal system, which is the main aim of rightwing Tory life. Or, the voters may decide that Canada is an organized system of mutual bribery anyway, and the rest is the usual hypocrisy, and vote the Liberals back in.

The whole thing is ridiculous. The only people who will win will be the Parti Quebecois and the Alberta First crowd who will be able to say I told you so as the country perishes.

At least that is what it says here in my book.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 06:30 AM

Oops. My comment about Stever being a "Liberal in wolf's clothing was not aimed at political philosophy or corruption. Rather, it was meant to imply that by forcing a winter election, they are pissing people off and, more importantly, if the weather is poor on election day, the voting results may be swayed, probably toward the Liberals. He is certainly not gaining favour with anyone I know.

What are the chances of poor weather in The Great White North in the dead of winter? Even if it's sunny, for eight hours at most, on election day, the whole length of the country, it has been known to be a tad chilly, icy, slushy, windy, F***ING COLD, in some parts. Heck, the army might be shovelling out Tronna.

Idiot!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 10:02 AM

Wot's a merkin?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Paul Burke
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 10:04 AM

I've never known why anyone needed them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Metchosin
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 11:27 AM

I don't see any Merkins to the right or left on this thread. Did something get deleted?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 12:42 PM

This gets one big yawn from me. How tedious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: bobad
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 12:53 PM

My sentiment exactly, even the mudslinging has become tedious and predictable, I am going to tune this one out as much as is possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 12:58 PM

Youse guys and most Canucks. A political campaign over Christmas?

Idiot!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 04:16 PM

OK. But now we know who the Grinch really is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Cluin
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 07:49 PM

The one I don't understand is Jack Layton. How does he figure to better his position by pushing for an election now? He's in the strongest position now his party has held in many years.

Easy to see why Harper and his Reform loonies want another election whenever and wherever (though this is Harper's last chance to win before his party boots his ass off the top of the heap with Peter MacKay panting at his heels; that's why he stuck around) and Duceppe can't either better or worsen his status (though the Bloc shouldn't even be allowed to run as a Federal party anyway).

Yes, the Liberals have been in too long. Unfortunately there is no alternative. I wish there was. I might even vote old style PC. But not for the rabble of right wing wacko malcontents that is passing for Conservative now. Besides, just as much corruption occured under the Tories in the past.

But I figure Layton only stands to lose NDP seats by pushing for an election now. Martin said he would call an election after the final Gomery report in February. Gives Canada a better picture of what went on and sets us up for an election in spring. And Layton could then at least say he didn't send Canadians to the polls at Christmas time.

Well, party politics stinks anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 10:21 PM

Maybe Layton has made a deal with the other parties.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 10:50 PM

I think Layton said he would not force the election but if the Conservatives did, he would back them.

He tried to make a couple of education and health care deals with the Liberals but the Liberals didn't buy it. Layton can go either way, whoever offers the best deals. The NDP will never be elected so their only power is in making deals. They are in a good position to do that and are making the best of it.

No deal? O.K. Lets have an election.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Cluin
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 10:53 PM

That's not a deal. That's suicide.

The NDP in bed with the CRAP party? Strange bedfellows indeed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peter T.
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 11:32 PM

Cluin is right, Layton is wrong: his current situation is the best deal he will ever get, period. Like the Conseervatives he probably got fed up, and decided that he didn't want the Liberals to be able to choose everything, but it is still a mistake.   

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Mooh
Date: 27 Nov 05 - 09:24 AM

If a winter election keeps the bastards off my doorstep, then all the better. Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: dianavan
Date: 27 Nov 05 - 02:49 PM

Cluin and Peter T. -

I don't really understand why you think siding with the Conservatives, at this time, is suicide. Somehow, I don't think it makes any difference one way or another if the Liberals stay in office.

If on the other hand, the Conservatives manage to gain power because the NDP backed their call for an elections, I will be furious.

Do you really think the Conservatives have a chance? I think people will be so put off by a winter election that they will vote Liberal just to spite the Conservatives. I hope so.

As to the NDP, they have never been anything more than an effective (ineffective) opposition at the federal level. Maybe thats what you're saying, that backing a new election is an ineffective move. I guess I'd have to agree because I certainly do not want to see Harper as PM of Canada. What a nightmare!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 27 Nov 05 - 06:35 PM

Gonna be trudging through snow to go to the poll. Idiots. The lot of them. And, the choices are bleak.

Registered Political Parties

Bloc Québécois

Canadian Action Party

Christian Heritage Party of Canada

Communist Party of Canada

Conservative Party of Canada

Green Party of Canada

Liberal Party of Canada

Libertarian Party of Canada

Marijuana Party

Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada

New Democratic Party

Progressive Canadian Party


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 27 Nov 05 - 07:16 PM

In a way, I am fortunate that there is a person of excellent reputation who shall be running in my riding, now that the Hon Claudette Bradshaw (Liberal, cabinet minister, and also of excellent reputation) has chosen not to re-offer. I have no problem with whom I shall vote for, since I am keeping my vote consideration at the local level.

Now, if we actually had to cast a direct vote on who should lead our wonderful country (both party and person), it would be a matter of voting in whom I would feel would do the least amount of harm, as opposed to the most amount of good. That happens to be Mr Paul Martin, who, as I luck (?) would have it, is the leader of the party for the local guy that I plan to vote for.

It is a shame that I have the mindset of voting for the lesser of the evils, if I look at this whole thing for the big picture that it truly is. I do look forward to the future, hopefully seeing Peter McKay from Nova Scotia and Frank McKenna from New Brunswick leading their respective parties. Maybe a little input from the Maritime provinces can put forward more of a national focus, at least more so than the mindless "Vote-for-me, cuz-they-cheat-and-are-mean-and-Gomery-and-such" agenda from a certain wanna-be-cowboy from Alberta.

Brian


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: hesperis
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 10:50 AM

I hope it's not a winter election because I haven't been paying attention to Canadian politics for a while and don't have time to get up to speed.

Maybe there should be a Mudcat party.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 10:54 AM

Well, as it stands right now I have to spoil my ballot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 11:12 AM

I'd like to soil mine.

CBC news: "It will be the first time since 1979 that a government has fallen at the hands of the opposition. About 35 bills will be left hanging, including an act to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana..."

Martin will, at least, have the dope vote.

Idiots!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 06:59 PM

A confidence motion. Instituted by the party that brought NAFTA in and had 22 cabinet ministers investigated on criminal charges. The PM was let off because the RCMP fucked up on procedure. And now this. Good lord help us all. The bells are ringing on CBC as I type.

Idiots!!

And guess who are the idiots?

I am so ashamed of my country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 07:14 PM

This just in. The vote... idiots win.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 08:34 PM

So do the seperatist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 08:56 PM

So I can't spell.
(Separatist)


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 10:28 PM

See a discussion of the no confidence vote in Canada:

Canadian Government Falls

Included in this dailykos discussion is a summary for Americans [meaning UnitedStaters] as to what this is all about and numerous comments from Canadians and UnitedStaters, too.

Here's an excerpt from that diary that was put together by fishhead
{Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 05:24:44 PM PDT}:

"Some American readers have been asking what some of the issues are in this election. Here is one version, most of which I cribbed and condensed from the wikipedia site in the interests of time.

Sponsorship scandal This issue continues to be a hindrance for the governing Liberals. The Liberals are currently being attacked and will undoubtedly continue to be hammered by the opposition on this issue, particularly by the Conservatives and Bloc Québécois. Already today, we have heard speeches by Tory Leader Harper and Bloc Leader Duceppe placing the scandal and "integrity in government" at the top of their election issues.

Health care This is a perennial top issue in Canada and is being pushed hard by the NDP and Liberals. In previous election campaigns both the Liberal Party, and the NDP have heavily campaigned to be seen as protectors of Canada's Medicare system. The new Conservative Party, and its predecessors have campaigned on "fixing" the Medicare system in various ways, but there are many on the right who support expanding private-sector health care or - as the Bloc favours - devolving power to the provinces (which essentially means more private health care).

Social Issues Though Canada's generally liberal social policies have enjoyed fairly consistent levels of support in the last decade, there are criticisms from the "Christian Right" and other conservative groups, especially in rural areas and among recent immigrants, that Canada's policies on abortion and same-sex marriage are too liberal. Expect the NDP and Liberals to hammer the Tories on this with a view to continuing to shut them out of gains in urban Canada. The so-called "Notwithstanding Clause" of the Canadian Charter of Rights would be required to revert to the traditional definition and over-ride the Supreme Court ruling on the matter. The Liberals and NDP have also adopted positions supporting the decriminalization of marijuana (a bill doing this died on the order paper) and legalizing prostitution.

The Economy and Taxation The Conservatives proposed to lower taxes significantly, but much of their thunder was stolen by recent tax cuts introduced by the Liberals (afforded by the NDP's withdrawal of support for the government). The Liberals can be expected to run on the fact the government has been raking in huge surpluses (thanks largely to booming resource, especially oil, sectors). Today, the Finance Minister was trumpeting the largest surpluses since Confederation. Expect the Tories to respond that this would allow more tax cuts - the NDP to argue that this should allow greater spending on health care, childcare, and other social programmes.

Canada-United States relations This issue has divided Canada more than ever since the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. Most Conservatives believe that closer relations with the United States (such as a North American security perimeter and deeper integration through NAFTA) are necessary for economic and political reasons. Most of the Bloc and NDP believe that Canada needs to move away from the United States, especially with the re-election of President Bush in 2004. The Liberals are split, with most tending to the NDP/Bloc side.

The Americans' rejection of NAFTA's final ruling in Canada's favour in the U.S.-Canada softwood lumber dispute on August 10, 2005 has raised questions about if and how Canada will retaliate. One thing Canada _has_ been doing is actively building markets in other parts of the world, in order to rectify the huge trade imbalance with the States (over two-thirds of our exports go to the US - Canada is the USA's largest supplier of petroleum, natural gas, and hydroelectricity). Expect the Liberals and NDP to paint the Tories as too pro-American. The phrase "American-style" is a favourite epithet in Canadian politics, usually followed by the phrase "health care," "justice system," "politics," etc.

Environment This is another perennial favourite. The Liberal government has been critized by several parties for its policies on environmental matters. Criticism has been expressed by all other parties regarding the Liberal party's management of Canada's carbon dioxide emissions, and how Canada will meet its obligations to the Kyoto Protocol. While the Conservative Party criticizes the Liberals' environmental plans as being fiscally irresponsible and unmanageable, the NDP, the Bloc Quebecois, and especially the Greens would like to see environmental protection as a priority for the federal government. Other environmental issues such as water quality in Aboriginal communities have also received attention."

-snip-

I'm curious to know if Canadian 'Catters think that this dailykos discussion is on point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 10:30 PM

BTW, I envy Canadian government's no-confidence provision.

If the USA had such a provision, I believe that we'd be saying bye bye to Bush's government.

But that's a whole 'nother story, and I don't mean to hijack this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: dianavan
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 11:44 PM

Azizi -

That sounds like a pretty fair assessment of the issues and the parties.

One thing for sure, NOBODY in Canada appreciates a winter election or the idiots who pushed for non-confidence. The Conservatives will lose points for that alone. Campaigning will also be difficult. Nobody has their heart in an election when they would rather be enjoying the Christmas holidays.

Everyone is so mad at the Liberals and so afraid of the Conservatives that its hard to say which way the vote will go.

Personally, I'd like to see the NDP with the Bloc and Greens in opposition but that is very, very unlikely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 29 Nov 05 - 06:59 AM

January 23 appears to be the date. Nine days after the full moon. Advance Poll anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Mooh
Date: 29 Nov 05 - 08:20 AM

The NDP should not have supported the government earlier, and they should have known that they wouldn't get anything of their agenda done with Liberal help. This was naive in the extreme, regardless of Jack Layton's good intentions. Had the government fallen months ago, a pre-Christmas election might have been okay. Either way the Liberal's days were numbered, but a winter election will piss off many voters...I don't care as I'm not voting for any of the big three parties.

I predict we'll end up with another Liberal minority, or even a majority. Either way the costs of an election are squandered.

Your tax dollars hard at work.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Nov 05 - 10:29 AM

The media has already told us what we think..God, I am tired of political pundits. Anyway, I will vote Liberal because I live in The Maritimes and the Bloc does not know we are here, The conservatives think we all buy our souwesters and wellies with welfare cheques, The NDP thinks Ontario is THE East and the Green Party doesn't know the ocean is Blue. What a silly bloody country, still I am glad I'm here and not in some war torn or weather battered place. So let's just get on with it, have a laugh or two and hope that none of it interferes with Hockey Night In Canada.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Seiri Omaar
Date: 29 Nov 05 - 12:18 PM

I predict we'll end up with another Liberal minority, or even a majority. Either way the costs of an election are squandered.

I predict Liberal minority again. Between the seat bonus the Liberals get because we run under the FPTP system, the fear of the Conservative Party generally, and the fact that the Liberals have an iron-tight hold on Ontario and non-Bloc Quebec will give them what they need.

Cheers, Seiri.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 29 Nov 05 - 02:57 PM

I hope that a blinding prairie snowstorm shuts down the riding of Calgary Southwest on January 23 and that idiot doesn't even get to cast his vote. Idiot!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:24 AM

what idiot ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: *daylia*
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:50 AM

WEll I'm about ready to vote for the Bloc this time round. ANd if I do, you can blame it on Stephen Harper. Or no ... blame it on gnu! He convinced me a while back that the Bloc won't spend half as much time or taxpayer's $$$ kissing Yankee butt as our other esteemed leaders.

Hey, they can't be worse than the Tories or the Grits! Yup, I'm all set to make the big move. To La Belle Province, that is. I'll be sure to bring my maple leaf toque, my Leafs "Sundin" jersey, my Tim Horton's mountain bike, and my big big BIG Canada flag to hang over my new front porch railing.

That oughta convince 'em to roll out la carpet rouge .... ou, la matte BIENVENUE ....

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: *daylia*
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:30 AM

PS .... so who do you think "loves" Canada more?

"Mr. Martin later seized on the Mr. Harper's failure to swing at a reporter's softball political question -- "Do you love this country?"

Mr. Harper had answered with Spock-like enthusiasm that he thinks Canada is "great." He did not, however, say that, yes, he loves Canada. And Mr. Martin seized on it.

"This morning, I'm told that Stephen Harper had a little difficulty saying this, so let me say it: I love Canada!" Mr. Martin roared to wild applause at a Liberal rally in Ottawa..."

Is that a snow job or what?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 11:24 AM

If your voting Bloc, Daylia and Dianavan, then your voting for separation. Why bring the Canadian flag Daylia? I'm sure you wouldn't want to promote the Bloc's drive for independance. That is their platform. This is the worst possible time for a federal election. The Bloc will gain seats, our lack luster jerk primer Jean Charest will continue to decline giving the separatist movement exactly what they want.

It was some time around 1885 that Louis Real was hung for treason. Now we have worst in parliament getting paid Canadian $$ and preaching the destruction of our country. Then they also get our Canadian $$ for their pensions. A hundred and so years ago they would have been hung. Today this may seem a little extreme, but do we have to recognize their party? Do we have to let them sit in Ottawa preaching independance. Do we have to give them pensions? I'm 48 years in Quebec and this is the first time that I am truly worried as to what the next few years will bring. If it sepearted I wouldn't want to live here. But then I do have a wife who was born in La Belle Provance so she would have to be willing to move as well. Not a good position to be in.

So I ask you two. Don't vote Bloc. Don't even talk about supporting them traitors.
Beer (Adrien Doucette)


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: *daylia*
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 12:36 PM

Please pardon that moment of sarcasm above, Adrien. Rest assured I wouldn't vote Bloc even if I could!

Why bring the Canadian flag Daylia? I'm sure you wouldn't want to promote the Bloc's drive for independance. That is their platform.

Do you mean that in Quebec, the presence of the Canadian flag indicates support for separation???


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 01:09 PM

I was referring to your statement when you said you were making the big move. Voting Bloc......moving to Quebec and flying the Canadian flag. But now I see you were just saying these things in jest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 06:52 PM

I refuse to comment on certain comments on the grounds that they may be self-discrinatory. My comments, I mean... I think.

As for the Liberals, what I said was, when I said what I said, was not what I said. What I said was what I said. You have to listen to what I said and not what I said. I have proof of that.

As for the Conservatives, I said it and I don't care what you said, I ain't takin it back, no matter what anyone says, even if what I said was not what I should have said.

As for the Bloc, je dis, "Pas comment, moi". Know what I'm sayin?

And that's all I am sayin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:01 PM

That was easy to understand.
I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Seiri Omaar
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:07 PM

gnu: What about the New Democrats? Hehehehhe.....

Cheers, Seiri.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:07 PM

... self-discriminatory...

"... self-discrinatory..." is obvious lysdexically transfoamed. Or, it could be the fact that I got an early Xmas present in the form of a bottle of Noclueahhh. Rather sweet, though. Unless you mix it with amber rum. That kinda takes the sugary taste away. Of course, if you wash it down with a beer every now and then, there's no problem.

Pleased saty tuned. Normal programming will resume... maybe tomorrow. Maybe not. We''ll see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:10 PM

Hey, folks, do this...smile a big smile and relax! They can't mess up your Christmas if you don't let them, and your future happiness does NOT depend on a political party, it depends on you.

Besides, this too shall pass. And my guess is it will pass with barely a ripple in the greater scheme of things.

When voting day comes, go there with tongue placed firmly in cheek, vote for the guys you instinctively like the best, don't worry about the others, and remember...in 100 years from now NOBODY will care anyway! Heh!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:15 PM

New Democrats? Well, Jack me off and Layton me down. How long they been around? Do they still avacado the disbursement of the Royal Canadian Armed Forces? Hey... I am union all the way... especially the Canadian Union, but ya cxan't have a Communist/Capitalist accounting system. Well, maybe you can when it comes to health care, and education, and day care, and job creation, and human rights, and.... hey... that Kahula is pretty good stuff.

brb...


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:27 PM

Ah...but just think of what mental torture those go through who cannot decide whether to vote Communist or Marxist-Leninist!!!! ;-)

(almost as tough as choosing between Democrats and Republicans, I'd say...it's like being between a rock and a friggin' BOULDER!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: dianavan
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 08:01 PM

Beer - I'm not voting Bloc (I live in B.C.) but I don't think having them in opposition is a bad thing. It keeps everyone on their toes, or should.

Naw - The Liberals will probably win another minority government which really makes this election a moot point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 08:22 PM

Moose Point? That's in Ontariariario, right, eh? I would google that, eh, right, but, I need another Haluka just now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:21 PM

gnu, you are on a roll!

[and I don't mean a sandwich]

I particularly liked your "what I said" post [30 Nov 05 - 06:52 PM]
and your first sentence in the 30 Nov 05 - 07:15 PM was quite good too.

Write on!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:26 PM

Hmmm. I meant to say "your second sentence in the 30 Nov 05 - 07:15 PM" post.

My bad.

Still, it's all good.

****
Okay, sorry about that. Back to the discussion...


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Cluin
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:55 PM

If we end up with another Liberal minority, it'll be another vote of non-con and another election in a year at most. Those f___ers in Ottawa don't give a frozen poop how much tax dollars are wasted this way. It's all part of the big game they play till they can wallow at the trough.

OTOH, I'm not sure I want a Liberal majority under Paul "I think I'm in the Wrong Party" Martin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: bobad
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:59 PM

Vote for gnu for PM!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 10:49 PM

I guess the bottle is empty and he/she is gone to sleep. Oops!!, just checked the photo area and he is a He.
Sleep well.
Beer


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: bobad
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 10:58 PM

I'm headed to the same place tonight, Beer, as today was my last day at work and I've been having a little celebration with the 12 year old single malt I received as a send off - nectar of the gods.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Beer
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 11:39 PM

Damn it!!!!
Bob.. I'm sorry.
I meant to acknowledge that today but forgot. I even had it marked down in my agenda (have to keep one even though retired.). You will toooooooo.

Never got to the agenda book because I was so excited in the fact that I could sing again. I had my vocal chord (fold) fixing yesterday and for the first time in almost two years I can sing without some words not coming out.

I'm a beer drinker but Scotch is my true drink. Just can't afford the good stuff. Wish I was there to share or even smell that bottle. It is a good one. All the very best and I mean it.
I think we should exchange phone numbers as there is a topic that is close to both of us that we should talk about.

Sorry to get off the topic folks but retirement is very important.
Beer
My number is 343434343434 Will pm you


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 11:42 PM

Good news for both of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 07:43 AM

Congrats youse guys!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 10:49 PM

Paul Martin would make a good baker or lawyer. Well, he IS a lawyer, isn't he? Jack Layton would make a great new age network chiropractor who treats 75 people simultaneously (at a $75 charge each) by playing musical tones on bells, and earns $7 million a year. I can just see it. Harper would make a good small town preacher or undertaker or car salesman. Duceppe would actually make a good politician! But...I'm really curious what the Communists and Marxist-Leninists have to offer in the leadership department... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: bobad
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 10:52 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 06:11 AM

YO! BOBAD! WAKE UP! Stever just went above and beyond the call of stupidity by promising parents a $500 tax break for each kid invoved in an organized sport.

What's next? Any suggestions? Looks like Stever could use some.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: *daylia*
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 07:14 AM

I HOPE you're kidding, gnu! Gonna check the news right now, but if it's true what a flippin rip-off! $500 for kid's sports, but NOTHING for kid's music lessons? What is he thinkin?!? Does he want to raise up a generation of well-muscled ignoramuses, or what?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST,*daylia*
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 07:33 AM

K, it's true, according to the CBC.

The tax credit, aimed at parents with children under 16, would allow them to claim $500 in registration fees per child, to "provide modest tax assistance for families who have kids in sports and fitness activities," Harper said

Y'know, I'm glad I learned long ago not to watch the news before bed. This is real upsetting! I got nothing against sports, sports are great, but .... what about music, I say!   I wanna see a $200 donation per Canadian public school student, from the federal gov't, to be spent on high quality, mandatory public school music programs from JK up to Gr 12. AND a $500 credit for parents of private music students under the age of 16 too.

That would do more for this nation than any amount donated for sports!   Music education produces smarter, happier, community-minded people who are more in touch with their emotions, their creativity and with each other. ANd the younger kids start, the better.   Music develops co-ordination and concentration, enhances memory, builds math and science and reading skills, encourages the ability to work independently and trouble-shoot one's problems without supervision. It develops self-discipline, as the student learns to prioritize and budget time wisely to meet goals. PLus, music is enjoyable - it's soul-food!

And scientists continue to discover how much musical education and practice builds the brain. Through regular use, certain areas of musicians' brains grow larger and heavier and better "interconnected" than non-musicians.

And bigger brains must take much longer to freeze, too. Hey, maybe that's what's wrong with Harper. Is he a musician? Does anyone know? Does he want to produce a generation of well-muscled dolts or what?!?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: bobad
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 07:49 AM

Thanks for waking me up gnu, I was deep in hibernation.

Dang, it's too late for my wife to start having a bunch of kids so's we can take advantage of Stevie Wonder's generous offer, but it's not too late for me hmmmmm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: *daylia*
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 11:36 AM

For those with a burning desire to know the truth re Harper's musical talents/knowledge/expertise, the following is an excerpt from the Globe and Mail (Insider's Edition):

"Saturday, December 10, 2005, Page A9

Harper sings Lennon: You know how hard it can be

Hot: Stephen Harper. The Conservative Leader actually ventured to the back of his campaign aircraft Thursday night to sing to reporters. And it wasn't to sing policy.

A John Lennon fan, Mr. Harper was honouring the 25th anniversary of the musician's death and sang a verse of The Ballad of John and Yoko. He told reporters that the day has been forever etched in his mind."


Hmm. This explains alot. So he thinks he knows how hard it can be? HA! To paraphrase BTO, he ain't seen nuthin yet!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 08:55 PM

That $500.00 tax bread actually amounts to about $80.00. You can use the amount of registration fees as a tax deduction.

I agree, why not give it to public education for better P.E. programs if he is interested in the health of our children. It could also be used to enhance the music programs.

Buying votes is sooooooooooo transparent. What an idiot. More idiotic if you buy into it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST,Bucky Beaver
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 01:59 PM

Huh? What? (*blink, blink*) Election? Now? Awwww...nooo... (groans, rolls over, and goes back to sleep)


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 02:21 PM

YO! Bucky! Wake up! There's a lot to chew on. Not all poplar...

Day care? Don't care? Health care? Won't care? Tax cuts? Kick in the nuts? Separate? Ingrate? Oil? Despoil? Cow? Bow? Education? Subdugation? War? Whore?.... nevermind. I think I'll take a nap myself. Too cold for an errection anyway. Oh, yeah... immigration.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 04:54 PM

Oh my... it get's beyond idiotic... it becomes ludicrous


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 04:58 PM

Looks like he spends more time on his hair than his thinking. Maybe CNN could hire him to deliver the 'news'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 05:07 PM

I can recall no other election I have given such total disregard as this one. I hardly think about it at all.

I don't believe in Santa Claus anymore either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 05:09 PM

I am going to mar my ballot. This is a friggin' bad joke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 05:17 PM

Have you seen the choices? Keriste on a crutch . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: bobad
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 05:19 PM

Where's the rhinoceros party now that we really need it ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST,Bucky Beaver
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 05:20 PM

It's time animals were allowed on the ballot. I am disgusted at the lack of real choice being offered.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 06:14 PM

Registered Political Parties

Animal Alliance Environment Voters Party of Canada

Bloc Québécois

Canadian Action Party

Christian Heritage Party of Canada

Communist Party of Canada

Conservative Party of Canada

Green Party of Canada

Liberal Party of Canada

Libertarian Party of Canada

Marijuana Party

Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada

New Democratic Party

Progressive Canadian Party


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 06:26 PM

Most Canadians are under the false impression that the Liberals are the only party to support Medicare. When Prestom Manning was leader of the Reform party he proposed a few ways in which the system could be managed and improved and was immediately bombarded by Pravda (sorry the CBC) and accused of being a right wing Nazi out to destroy Canada. Our PM Jean Cretin (sorry Chretien) said "I wont touch your social programs" and had Paul martin the finance minister cut transfer payments to the provinces almost destroying some medicare programs.

Now we have seen several examples of waste by the Liberals.
A: Gun control.... complete and utter waste of a billion dollars that could have been used to support community programs medicare and the justice system.
B: several million dollars unnacounted for and no accounting for where they went (No not the patronage scandal)remember the lady who was reelected? If you or I had managed a job like that we would be doing twenty years hard labour. Here in canada we reelect them.
C: The patronage scandal millions of tax payers dollars frittered away to prime Quebec friends of the Liberals
D: The scrapped military helicopter replacement scandal. millions spent and lost, for some very expensive new helicopters that are mostly grounded for tail rotor problems. The original design choice but cheapened version and still no replacement for the aging Seakings.

Yes, Canadians will by the influence of the CBC and sheer apathy and stupidity re elect the Liberals to do more of the same. Great isnt it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 06:27 PM

Marijuana Party

May have to think about this one, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 06:30 PM

"Gun control"

A good and brilliant friend of mine said--just after the gun control fiasco started: "I wonder what they're going to do that I don't like after I register my guns."

I wonder.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 06:54 AM

I wonder. I'll bet that they will bring in a re-registration fee which will be payable on a regular basis, say, every five years, which will become annual. Then, they'll confiscate the handguns that have been registered since the 1930's. Then... nah, that stuff would never happen, would it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 07:35 PM

Golf clubs, Baseball bats and knives, will be next Gnu


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 07:46 PM

That still leaves rocks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 07:50 PM

. . . and rolls. Hard, crusty rolls.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 08:24 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 08:42 PM

Has it struck any of you entrepreneurs that IF the Marijuana Party gets in, there will be a fortune to be made in pipes, papers and MUNCHIES? Yes, folks step right up . . . .

CBC will have to start showing commercials every two minutes--McCain's stock will go through the roof. There will be a place in the fast-food chain for stores to sell peanut butter pizza with shrimp and black olives--hold the anchovies.

This could be BIG.

Vote Marijuana Party and watch Canada relax.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 07:29 AM

Seriously, for only a brief moment... In this forum, I have stated my affinity for some of the policies proffered by the Bloc. After listening to Gilles on the last debate, I would like to add that I hope the Bloc get their asses kicked. I have never heard him speak so candidly about sovereignty and I was shocked by many of the things he said.

End of rant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: *daylia*
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 08:36 AM

Just about everyone I've discussed this with lately says we'll end up with another Liberal minority. Absolutely nothing will change, and millions upon millions of $$$ will have been wasted.

Hmmm.

What would happen if they gave an election and nobody came?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 09:48 AM

I would imagine the Liberals would claim victory anyway daylia.

Quebec will not separate until they lose control of the federal government (which will likely occur within the next five to ten years)

The future of Canada is probably headed towards a banana republic within twenty years. (that is if the Americans have trouble purchasing all our businesses in which case most of Canada will join with the States)

As for the legality of what Quebec wants, well thank Trudeau for repatriating the constitution and making it possible for Quebec to plead its case with the international court of the Hague.

The alternative is a nce big civil war, which is highly unlikely because most Canadians will be glad to see them go; and will be much more concerned about the price of beer and the effect on hockey.

Yours, Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 11:43 AM

I will not be glad to see Quebec go. It's where I was born and where I did much of my growing up. FYI.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 12:15 PM

You AND Paul Martin. Paul made his views quite clear. Gilles could not even look him in the eye when Paul told him where the bear shit in the buckwheat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 08:47 PM

Gonna be a minority government, either way it goes. Then we'll have another election in 10 months, after yet another non-con vote... waste some more money on another election instead of actually doing something constructive.

At which time both the Liberals and the Conservatives (how come the Reform Party became the Conservative Party? Conservative Reform? seems like an oxymoron to me) will dump their present leaders in hopes of someone with more charisma or fashion sense who can win big for them.

Who will the new leaders be?

For the Conservatives?
Peter MacKay, of course. It's why he's hanging around in this federal party instead of going into provincial politics.

And for the Liberals?
Not John Manley, anyway. He's got all the charisma of a planter's wart.
Nope. It's gonna be that new hottie darling the Liberals recently acquired in their collection... Brenda "Windswept and Interesting" Stronach.

Then it'll be revealed that there's no real rift between her and so-called former sweetie Peter MacKay. It's all been a sordid plot to lull us into a stunned sense of apathy. Petey and BrenBren will work together to ensure our plodding system of government will be eviscerated and have themselves appointed King and Queen of Canada. "Let them eat Tim Hortons!"

You heard it here first. Don't say I didn't warn ya.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 09:11 PM

Whoops! Brain fart. Not Brenda. Belinda!

Weird. I knew that but for some reason, it changed to Brenda in my deranged brain. I need a defrag badly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 09:22 PM

Belinda Stronach would be a whole lot more interesting than Paul Martin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 06:51 AM

Gosh, Cluin. That's almost spooky. It seems so far fetched, it must be going to come true.

Don't forget.... advanced polls are from 12:00h to 20:00, Friday (the thrirteenth!!! oooOOOOooooo), Saturday and Monday. Whenever you vote, bring the registration card that you received in the mail because it will make voting easier and faster. (It is not a requirement... just speeds things up.)

You can also vote at your local Elections Canada office EVERY day from 12:00h to 16:00h, but, call them first to make sure you have all the info you need, like ID's, etc. (Yes, seven days a week.)

VOTE


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Raptor
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 07:05 AM

What's 12 inches long and hangs between George Bush's legs...
















Steven Harpers TIE!!

I'd rather vote for a smelly dead fish than this weasle!
If we don't vote Liberal this asshole might get in and we should be scared!

Raptor


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 07:39 AM

Yes raptor better the crooks who steal millions and destroy medicare lie about getting rid of the GST and then ruin your country eh?

Mr Harper might actually stop all that but you would rather the crooks you know than the honest man who wants change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 07:43 AM

Prediction: Once Mr Martin falls from grace he will be replaced by Jean Charest who will be touted as the saviour of the Federal Liberal party once again assuring Quebec dominated control of politics in Canada.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: bobad
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 08:01 AM

What about Michael Ignatieff ? Any opinions on him as a potential future leader of the libs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 10:19 AM

Charest? A lifetime Conservative who jumped ship for a job? His hair is too curly anyway.

Mike who? Didn't he write a few books er sumpin? Usually, ya gotta be an MP, first.

Martin will lead a majority and the Bloc will lose ground. Martin will do the honourable thing and call a leadership convention after "The Gomery" so's he can get outta town while the gettin's good. Belinda? Nope. Johnny the Man? Nope. Curly Jean? Nope. Frank McKenna will don his Superman cape. Hey, anyone who could turn New Brunswick around like he did has gotta have a cape.

Stevie will hang himself with his tie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Raptor
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 11:10 AM

The Honest man?

So youre votin for the Mariwanna party eh?

Harper wanted to go to war!!!

So he's gonna save us by having our kids killed for oil?

Or just by giving tax breaks to the rich?

The liberals are guilty of giving thier freinds jobs.

Better that than the Right wing war on the poor!

The conservatives are the ones who want 2 tier medicine, Thats whats gonna kill our medicare. Harper wants us to be just like the states. hows thier medicare?

Raptor


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 11:47 AM

Raptor, if you want to elect criminals and thieves go ahead I'll take my chances with Harper. I remember a time when Preston Manning said Medicare needs help to run there are two ways of fixing it More taxes and a level of paralel private medical insurance. Everyone started screaming right wing Nazis and calling him an idiot, but essentially even the Liberals admit now that there has to be some similar revisions made to keep it going.

Chretien said "I wont touch your social programs" and promptly cut transfer payments to the provinces(Martin was his Finance Minister) and it caused havoc in Medicare. I pay for private insurance and have for 29 years the first thing the hospital asks me when I take both my chronically ill children there is, "is your insurance billing the same?" There is no free lunch it's a myth.

Instead of one billion dollars wasted on a useless gun registry why wasnt it spent on social programs and the justice system? The millions of your (the tax payers dollars) wasted and fraudulently given away to Quebec companies and Liberal supporters when it could have gone into our social programs? We need to fix our system or lose it. I suggest you drop the emotional rhetoric and CBC induced Liberal propaganda and take a good long look at what is really going on in Canada.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 01:54 PM

Oh-oh. A debate? I shall attempt not to rise to de bait.

I will, however, just point to one FACT. After, ah, ah, Mulroooooney, ah, and, ah, clan, ah, were run out of town on a rail, the PC's could not even legally form a party. AND, Jean & our dearly beloved Elsie didn't count - Mother T couldn'a beat them. Without counting this pair, how many PC seats did they get? Don't go talkin "criminal" unless you wanna talk about 22 indictments in 8 years... and they weren't for funnelling money under the table to keep Quebec in confederation.

Aw shite... hook, line and sinker. I'm just a sucker for punishment.

(Yeah, it was a long way to go for a joke, but I pride myself on the setup... carry on carrying on.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 01:56 PM

If you think things will be any less corrupt under a Conservative government, Dave-O, you have a very short memory.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 02:05 PM

Ahhh yes Mr Mulrooney from Quebec wasn't he? and Jean Charest left his party to become a Quebec Liberal after Lucien Bouchard Left to control the PQ. I think the Conservative party has changed a lot since then mate, but I do agree with you it was just as bad as the Liberals in it's day. Time for change (and please dont vote NDP they havent even come up with an original policy to debate with yet)


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: bobad
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 02:10 PM

"the Conservative party has changed a lot since then mate, "

Indeed they have, they have been taken over by a bunch of right-wing, neo-con, fundamentalist wing nuts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Metchosin
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 03:37 PM

agreed there bobad, there hasn't been a red Tory in that party for years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Raptor
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 04:38 PM

Thief as you call it or a Murderer(war for Oil)...

I'll take thief!

The CONservatives have done a lot worse than any Liberal government.

You want to talk about wasting millions? Who called this election?

The gun registry was fucked up but the intent was to stop 15 year olds from being gunned down shopping on boxing day. What do the CONservatives want to do about gun violence... Give tax breaks to their rich friends.
Isn't that what their bitching about, the patrinage scandals?

Cutting the GST will only benifit the rich cuz they pay more. In efect making the poor poorer. How republican of them.

You wont convince me to vote for George Bush I mean Steven Harper!
It's not time for that kind of change!

Raptor


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: number 6
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 05:00 PM

"If you think things will be any less corrupt under a Conservative government, Dave-O, you have a very short memory."

Well stated Cluin ... so, so true.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 05:14 PM

I am considering writing in one of the dachshunds. Finnegan. He does, after all, burn with a desire to rule. Why not give him a chance? He couldn't be worse than any of the human candidates I am being offered.

Plus...he's almost certainly not going to win...therefore, I will not have to bear the shame and blame after he gets elected and totally screws this society, and I have to admit that I was one of the fools who voted for him!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 05:19 PM

Raptor, vote for Finnegan. You can't go wrong.

And I'm glad to see you are posting more than 5 words at at time. This subject must really have you up in arms, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 05:26 PM

I was gonna vote for the Marijuana Party, but I figure I'll be doing that alone because the real supporters of the MP will get stoned and miss going to the polls.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 05:50 PM

If they would only allow us to vote for "none of the above", I feel sure that a majority of Canadians would finally find the real representation they so long for.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 11:35 PM

"...right-wing, neo-con, fundamentalist wing nuts," thats for sure.

Is it true that Harper (as well as Gordon Campbell, Liberal) have the same PR people as Bush? They all seem to have the same message. Talk about a 'culture of entitlement'!

Belinda is plain old not to be trusted and Peter McKay is a little boy.

I didn't like Layton at first but now I do. I actually think the NDP is looking good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: bobad
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 06:06 PM

Some polls are predicting a Tory majority - scary!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 06:13 PM

Crap. I moved here to get away from Maggie ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Justa Picker
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 03:05 PM

Undecided Canadian voters?
Check this site out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 03:09 PM

I wish I could vote for that Canadian guy!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 10:53 AM

I am very afraid of Stephen Harper because he is really not very Canadian in his political views. He is a social Darwinist who denies he's a social dawinist, ans I find tht scary. He called Canada (at a US business forum) A third rate socialist state and worst of all, he has made such derogatory remarks abot Maritimes that I cannot imagine how Anyone east of Quebec could vote for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 11:03 AM

That Canadian Guy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 11:07 AM

I voted Saturday. Yippee.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 06:33 AM

Not bad here today. Periods of light snow beginning late afternoon. Shouldn't affect too many voters. I glanced at the weather warnings at EC's website and just some high winds in spots. Looks like the weather might be good for most voters.

Anyone got any poor weather?

I did note that there are warnings out for high winds in south and central Alberta late in the day... hehehe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Raptor
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:53 AM

The fog this AM in Central Ontario is as thick as Flatrock NFLD but that is probably gone by now.

Raptor


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Metchosin
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 11:42 AM

Flatrock? Are you from Flatrock?

Rain again, the normal state of things, shouldn't affect anyone here......


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: number 6
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 11:45 AM

"Anyone got any poor weather?"

I live in Saint John ... do you think we would have rich weather here ??

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 01:56 PM

Well, it's an Irving town. How much richer can you get?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Raptor
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 07:22 PM

I got folks in flatrock My Cusins the Mayor!

Raptor


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 07:33 PM

Lard suffrin dyin ya don't say! Some spot that Flatrock! Only ever spent the time drivin through and a walkabout one afternoon but she's some pretty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 07:50 PM

Surf Breaking Over the Beamer at Flatrock, Nfld.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 08:07 PM

Link forbidden? Too pretty?

18 11 2


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 08:09 PM

My Own Favourites Photo Gallery by Jerry Curtis at pbase.com


Google that, Gnu.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 08:11 PM

And Lord Sufferin' Jaysus she looks some cold, son.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:09 PM

Though I don't live in Canada, I'm interested in what party wins that election.

Voting results should start showing at 10 p.m. EST at this
official result site: Elections Canada;

And here's a dailykos blog with some pre-10PM results from some Atlantic provinces {technically illegal} as well as commentary:

The Canadian Election {Dairy 2} by by Karen Wehrstein
Mon Jan 23, 2006


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:14 PM

Looks like it will be the Conservatives to me, Azizi. They've been out in the cold for, I think 13 years it is...

About time to give them a kick at the can, I guess. If they screw up badly, they will get killed in the next election. (We don't have computerized Diebold voting machines here...it's all verifiable on paper ballots.)

If I see them pass new legislation to bring in computerized voting machines, though, I will get really nervous.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:14 PM

And may I say I just love the word "Saskatchewan".

It has such a lyrical sound. What does it mean anyway?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:18 PM

It means "Where the rivers meet".


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:20 PM

Little Hawk,

Although I've read that in Canada, the Conservative party is not the same as the USA Conservatives, {and especially not like the neocon Bush branch of that party}, the American Conservatives will be cheering over a Canadian Conservative win.

I don't want the neocons to have anything to cheer about.

And you're right to Be aware of those electronic Lie bold machines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: number 6
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:20 PM

Current results indicate it will definately be a consertative minority government.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:22 PM

The province's name, pronounced locally as "sus-KATCH-uh-wun"    comes from the Saskatchewan River, whose name comes from its Cree designation: kisiskâciwani-sîpiy, meaning "swift flowing river".


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:23 PM

Thanks for that info, Peace.

"Saskatchewan" ="Where the rivers meet". .


Its meaning is a poetic as its sound.

Although I thought that the rivers met at the Point in Pittsburgh.

LOL!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:25 PM

Yes, the USA neocons will cheer...but Canada will never be conservative enough for those guys. A conservative minority government, by the way, will be required to make deals with one of the other parties in order to get legislation passed. That should be interesting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: number 6
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:25 PM

Sounds nice, is nice in the summer, but those winter winds make Saskatchewan miserbly cold in the winter.

It's also very, very flat, like Kansas. As my sister once said you can look out into the horizon in Sasketchewan and actually see the back of your head.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:25 PM

LH has it. I am confused.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:26 PM

"swiftly flowing river" is also poetic...

What's the Cree word for "freedom"?

And will Canada have less of it with a Conservative minority government?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:27 PM

It's beautiful out there...but I would not want to deal with the winters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: number 6
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:27 PM

Yeah LH, those U.S. neocons will be cheering ... but being a minority as it is it won't last long.

Then it all goes around again through the painful, wasteful process of election.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:29 PM

The winter here has been like nothing. Maybe four inches of snow in total. However, we're expecting a doozy soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:36 PM

Global warming.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:43 PM

Since Mudcat is a music site, how about this {re}post from that dailykos Canadian election site

{with apologies for the blashemy}

"Okay, Pirates

I will now reveal the Secret Canadian National Anthem.

Oh, the year was 1778
HOW I WISH I WAS IN SHERBROOKE NOW!
A letter of marque came from the king,
To the scummiest vessel I'd ever seen,

God damn them all!
I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold
We'd fire no guns-shed no tears
Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier
The last of Barrett's Privateers.

Oh, Elcid Barrett cried the town,
HOW I WISH I WAS IN SHERBROOKE NOW!
For twenty brave men all fishermen who
would make for him the Antelope's crew

God damn them all!
I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold
We'd fire no guns-shed no tears
Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier
The last of Barrett's Privateers.

The Antelope sloop was a sickening sight,HOW I WISH I WAS IN SHERBROOKE NOW!
She'd a list to the port and and her sails in rags
And the cook in scuppers with the staggers and the jags

God damn them all!
I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold
We'd fire no guns-shed no tears
Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier
The last of Barrett's Privateers.

On the King's birthday we put to sea, HOW I WISH I WAS IN SHERBROOKE NOW!
We were 91 days to Montego Bay
Pumping like madmen all the way

God damn them all!
I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold
We'd fire no guns-shed no tears
Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier
The last of Barrett's Privateers.

On the 96th day we sailed again, HOW I WISH I WAS IN SHERBROOKE NOW!
When a bloody great Yankee hove in sight
With our cracked four pounders we made to fight

God damn them all!
I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold
We'd fire no guns-shed no tears
Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier
The last of Barrett's Privateers.

The Yankee lay low down with gold, HOW I WISH I WAS IN SHERBROOKE NOW!
She was broad and fat and loose in the stays
But to catch her took the Antelope two whole days

God damn them all!
I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold
We'd fire no guns-shed no tears
Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier
The last of Barrett's Privateers.

Then at length we stood two cables away, HOW I WISH I WAS IN SHERBROOKE NOW!
Our cracked four pounders made an awful din
But with one fat ball the Yank stove us in

God damn them all!
I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold
We'd fire no guns-shed no tears
Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier
The last of Barrett's Privateers.

The Antelope shook and pitched on her side, HOW I WISH I WAS IN SHERBROOKE NOW!
Barrett was smashed like a bowl of eggs
And the Maintruck carried off both me legs

God damn them all!
I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold
We'd fire no guns-shed no tears
Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier
The last of Barrett's Privateers.

So here I lay in my 23rd year,
HOW I WISH I WAS IN SHERBROOKE NOW!
It's been 6 years since we sailed away
And I just made Halifax yesterday

God damn them all!
I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold
We'd fire no guns-shed no tears
Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier
The last of Barrett's Privateers. "

-by howth of murph on Mon Jan 23, 2006

-snip-

"Song is by Stan Rogers

Canadian folkie, much beloved, who died in a plane fire in Minneapolis in 1983 at a tragically young age.

While I like Barrett's Privateers, I prefer "Northwest Passage" "

by gracchus on Mon Jan 23, 2006


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: number 6
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:46 PM

Good song Azizi ... keep it up and you will be a Canuck in no time at all.

Peace ... this has been the mildest winter her on the shores of the Fundy in a long, long time. Haven't even had a chance to use my new snow thrower.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:53 PM

And here is my parody of that song, telling the tragic tale of a band of expatriate American hippy draftdodgers who spent a number of years avoiding the Feds in Canada, but were eventually doomed by their yen for warm weather and Mexican marijuana....

Barrett's Bordermen                                             

It was the year of 1976
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
Clive Barrett said "Boys, let's up and go
They've got much better weather in Mexico!"
    CHORUS:
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

Clive Barrett was a hippy from New York State
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
He was tall and dark and smelly and weird
Had a colony of weevils in his beard
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

We bought an old school bus for 25 bucks
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
She was a horrible mess, what a sight to see
But the engine started when he turned the key
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

Clive Barrett rolled a joint full of Lebanese hash
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
It was long and fat and heavy as clay
To smoke it took nine of us three whole days
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

On the fourth day we crossed the Ohio State line
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
We hadn't gone a mile when a traffic cop
Tried to pull the bus over and make us stop
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

Clive Barrett pulled hard to the left and swore
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
The old bus gave a shudder and a shake and a pitch
And threw that officer in the ditch
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

Down Interstate 80 at a hundred and ten
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
With 25 cop cars howling round
We made a run for the crossing outside Youngstown
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

We could see the level crossing half a mile ahead
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
There was a westbound freight out of Portland, Maine
Clive Barrett said "I'm gonna beat that train!"
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

Fat Freddy gave a yell when we hit the rails
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
The old bus blew a tire and spun half around
As the train bore down with a rumbling sound
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

Poor Phineas was the first to go
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
When the train tore through with a terrible squeal
And ground him up in the driving wheels
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

Then the train derailed like an upturned whale
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
20 chemical cars full of high grade fuel
Came tumbling down around us poor fools
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen
                                        
A big flatcar fell like the hammer of God
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
Killed Flo and Eddie and Flatface Fred
And decapitated Panama Red
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

Fat Freddy make a break for the exit door
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
20 cops opened up from a stand of trees
And filled him full of holes like a big Swiss cheese
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

Then Freewheelin' Frank made a dash for the woods
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
An Ohio State chopper on a strafing run
Blew him clean in two with the gatling gun
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

Then the train blew up with a deafening roar
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
Clive Barrett got cooked like a big french fry
I lost all my hair and both my eyes
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen

Now Fat Freddie's Cat is in Mexico
(How I wish I was in Moncton now...)
He was the only one to escape the wreck
I wish I had him here now, I would wring his neck!
        God damn them all! I was told
        We'd smoke up on Acapulco Gold
        Lie around like bums and toast our friends
        Now I'm a broken man in Ohio State Pen
        The last of Barrett's Bordermen


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: number 6
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 11:19 PM

Very good L.H !! Bravo.

But what is with 'how I wish I was in Moncton now' ???

I actually like it that line.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 12:31 AM

Well, it rained on election day here in Vancouver.

What's new. It has rained 35 out of 36 days.

A couple of days ago, a friend remarked that it was a beautiful day.

I looked up at a slate grey sky and decided that, by now, anytime it wasn't raining, it was beautiful.

We're very optimistic in Vancouver. You have to be.

We're also very balanced; politically. One-third each party.

Amazing!


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 09:10 AM

Conservative      124
Liberal          103
BQ


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 09:11 AM

Conservative   124
Liberal          103
BQ               51
NDP             29
Other          1

I was close, but no cigar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 09:46 AM

The damn disease is catching, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 09:50 AM

Let's put the Canadian election in perspective.   The lead story in the USA (at least on ESPN) was Duke beating Tennesee for the number one spot in Womans College Basketball.   I am sure the newspapers carried the Canadian election somewhere in their papers.   Personally I think its about time to have a leader from western provences to represent the entire country.

The most interesting thing to me about this election:   The three countries most opposed to the war in Iraq:

France, Germany, Canada.   All three prime ministers were kicked out in the next election. (Chirac replaced himself due to low popularity)

The three countries who supported the war in Iraq:

USA, Great Britain, Austrailia.

All three leaders win their reelection.

How could that happen if the world is so opposed to the war in Iraq? Even did heart liberals would have to admit that it is rather bizarre.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 09:57 AM

What do you mean, "no cigar"? You said:

Conservatives 126
Liberals 100
Bloc Quebecois 53
New Democrat 29

I'd say you deserve a Cuban cigar. Which one can still buy in Canada.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Peace
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 10:10 AM

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Raptor
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 10:29 AM

Canada is beautiful Azizi.I'd like to personaly invite you to come to visit.

Raptor


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 10:30 AM

Larry, you must understand how politics works in Canada. Here are the percentages of the popular vote in yesterday's election:

In terms of popular vote, the Conservatives had 36 per cent support compared with 30 for the Liberals, 17 for the NDP, 10 for the Bloc Quebecois, and 4 for the Green party.

Now...of those 5 parties, they can be described this way:

basically somewhat conservative in nature - Conservatives
basically somewhat liberal in nature - Liberals
socialist and very liberal in nature - NDP
provincial and strictly regional in nature - Bloc Quebecois (a one-issue outfit that wants Quebec to be controlled strictly by the French)
extremely liberal in nature - Green

So, the fact of the matter is that abut 36% of the Canadian public tends to be conservative, politically speaking, at this time...since the only party that IS conservative is the Conservatives.

That's normal here.

The fact that they won the election had nothing whatsoever to do with the war in Iraq or any war anywhere else. It had to do with the fact that people were sick and tired of a very old and worn-out Liberal administration that's been in power far too long, grown fat and lazy, and has a totally lacklustre and uninspiring man leading them (and he is now going to step down). The Liberals simply got burnt out, that's all. It's not that they governed all that badly, relatively speaking....or all the well either...they just were there too long.

The vast majority of the Canadian public wants nothing to do with the war in Iraq or the War on Terrorism, and it did not influence this election.

Only roughly one third of this public ever is inclined to hold what would be termed a "conservative" viewpoint in the USA. That's why we have five parties here, and only one of them is truly conservative. ;-) Under that circumstance, that party only needs about 34% of the vote to secure a minority government (in which case it must compromise with some other more liberal party in parliament to get legislation passed). That 34% does not represent the prevailing mood of the Canadian public.

The conservatives win in this country only when the Liberals have been in power so long that everyone is sick of them...or when the Liberals screw up and pick a really lousy leader who has no charisma (that's been known to happen on occasion, and it did recently).

If there were only 2 parties in this country, the conservatives would never be able to win any election unless they simply stopped being "conservative" (in the more recent American definition of the word).

This populace does NOT approve of the war in Iraq, unless you call about 20-30% nationwide support "approval".

This populace is profoundly cynical about the Liberal Party, the Conservative Party, and the USA's foreign policy...but there doesn't seem to be any way to avoid them, does there? We're stuck with all 3 of them, so we shrug and deal with it as best we can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 10:47 AM

And here's a simpler way to express it: 64% of the Canadian voters did not vote Conservative. You can figure it out easily enough from there...

The Conservative Party is the only party in Canada that is ever likely to endorse a "pre-emptive war" by the USA. And maybe not even they will...

Pre-emptive war is illegal and criminal, and we know it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Metchosin
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 12:13 PM

And for the first time in the history of Canada, the agenda is controlled somewhat by what is termed the "west", that is, anything east of Ontario.

Although, the Tory sweep of the west was mitigated somewhat by an upsurge in the NDP votes in urban areas of BC. Voters in BC are even more cynical of the Liberal Party than those in the "east". Provincially, the Liberal party in BC is a coalition of former members of the Conservative, Liberal and Social Credit Parties.

Having seen first hand what such a coalition can do, a lot of the Liberal vote is parked with the NDP, even in Federal elections. Despite the threat of the dreaded Tories, some of that vote was not shaken this time around.

The next 18 months or so should prove interesting to watch, while the Liberals and Conservatives work hand in hand at a Federal level.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 06:11 PM

Yeah. I like minority governments. It forces those damned political parties to actually listen to each other for a change. A majority government is just a temporary (and nonviolent) dictatorship pretending to be a democracy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: number 6
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 06:14 PM

Yeah ... they'll listen to each other alright ... Jeesh! I can hear them now.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Raptor
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 07:25 AM

Ironic that the Conservatives got a Minority government. Conservatives don't like minorities.
Raptor


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 11:41 PM

Funny, the Conservative candidate in my riding is an Indian immigrant and he only got 25% of the vote (probably cause he was "not from around here") the Liberal that was elected by 50% of the bogoted vote is a member of a local good old boy network....


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Raptor
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 08:36 AM

Yeah that's funny alright.

Dave you seem like a sencible fellow that could teach me a few things about politics.

I would enjoy sitting down to a few beer with you.

Congratts on your party's win.

Raptor


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Raptor
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 01:15 AM

Or Rye


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 02:40 PM

bread...


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Subject: RE: BS: Winter election in Canuckville???
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 02:59 PM

Okay then... this thread is old hat... let's centralize the discussion on this thread.


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