BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Peace
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 05:14 PM

I have never understood why anyone cares about the sexual orientation of another person. Or about the clothes she wears or the colour of his skin; the religion she is or the language he speaks. I don't doubt that there are circumstances when such considerations might be important, but not most circumstances.

I seldom go to movies, so it's unlikely I will see this one anytime soon. That said, I knew some gay farmer/ranchers many years back. They were good people, paid their taxes, helped their neighbours when the help was needed and accepted help when that was necessary. It was 'redneck' country, but it seems to me that rednecks are not quite the stunned bad asses their reputation says they are. The couple was accepted by the community and ya'd be hard put to start hassling one of those boys because they were both fairly big and strong men. The one time I heard of them being hassled by a group of 'outta-towners' in the town's downtown area, I also heard that about four or five of the regulars showed up within a few minutes and the situation seemed to settle down real fast. As it should have.

I have great difficulty judging a person based on things like sexual orientation, colour, language, religion or political belief because we are all of us so much more than that.

I recall a dog that belonged to a neighbour. I don't remember the type of dog it was (the kind that have a pushed-in face that makes 'em look like they been chasing parked cars), but I swear it was the ugliest thing I have ever seen in my entire life. He was also kind, obedient to his master, quiet, friendly and I'm quite surprised his arse was able to stay attached to his body because he was like to shake it off the way his tail swung his rear end when he saw someone he knew. But, he was pretty easy to write off at first glance.

I am not addressing this to anyone in particular. People have things they hold to in terms of their perceived morality, and it ain't my place to argue with that. But it is my place to state a position.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: bobad
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 04:51 PM

Dan Bern - No Missing Link

They looked for the missing link
There's no missing link
They'll never find the missing link
There's no missing link
We're not something
You can figure out with an equation
We are the genetic mutation

Aliens came and fucked the monkey
They fucked the monkey
Aliens came and fucked the monkey
They fucked the monkey
Aliens came and fucked the monkey
They fucked the monkey

Darwin tried explaining it
Darwin the best he could
Evolution, pretty theory
But how could Darwin know?

That aliens came and fucked the monkey
They fucked the monkey
Aliens came and fucked the monkey
They fucked the monkey

How explain fax machines?
How else explain computer enhancement?
How else explain fiber optics?
How else explain Mozart?

We do not belong here
This planet was a terrarium
Intergalactic broken home
Have to go outer space
And one day find our Daddy

How else explain pay at the pump?
How else explain limited access freeways?
How else explain digital remastering?
Plastic flowers, linoleum, beefalo, Michael Jordan?
Religion?
Astronomy?
Astrology
That looks to the stars

We do not belong here
This planet was a terrarium
Seven billion bastards
Screaming for our Daddy

Aliens came and fucked the monkey
They fucked the monkey
Aliens came and fucked the monkey
They fucked the monkey
Aliens came and fucked the monkey
They fucked the monkey

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 04:18 PM

Yes we should stick to traditional themes that every moviegoer can take his family out to for a christmas treat.

Harry Potter meets the monkey fuckers, Charlie and the fudgepackers factory, the lion the witch and whoevers available in the wardrobe......

the point I was endeavouring to make was that you have a flair for finding an arresting phrase Martin, learn to take compliments graciously....

its a bit like that song, A Whiter shade of Pale. the phrases are arresting and entertaining. I'm not sure the meaning is of paramount importance.

stating the opinions that you do, would get you smacked in the mouth in most bars in even a provincial city like Derby an Nottingham near where I live, I'm pretty sure they would in a hip groovy sophisticated place like Chicago - if its anything like it appears on the tv.

Admit it, you don't want to make people think or change their minds - you want to press buttons, and you do that pretty well.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: DougR
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 03:37 PM

kat: didn't realize they were herding sheep, not cattle. Well, perhaps the Ewes probably become more desirable the longer you live with them.

No question but that this movie is the "darling" of the movie critics. Our local movie critic fell right in line with the others. Shocking, isn't it though, that such an excellent movie, as seen through the eyes of those critics, is not doing that well at the box office. I think it made about 10 million the weekend it opened. Were I an investor, I think I would be a bit nervous about recovering my investment in the film.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 02:43 PM

Kendall, some full-grown men aren't...

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 02:32 PM

Boxoffice failure? Check THIS out, Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: number 6
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 02:22 PM

gnu ... I think I'll take you cue and egress out of this one !

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: DougR
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 02:14 PM

Mack/Misophist: I suspect the longer the cowboys were out on the range, the better looking those heifers got.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: gnu
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 01:46 PM

Beastiality? And now bondage... unless it was a really friendly monkey... or ugly.

Glad I stopped by to see how this thread was progressing... digressing... regressing... time to egress.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: number 6
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 01:20 PM

I wouldn't want to even wonder about it !!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 01:14 PM

Only if he could get the monkey to hold relatively still. I have no idea how one would go about arranging such a thing....


:D


A

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: MMario
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 01:09 PM

well the monkey certainly wouldn't enjoy it. But kendall - face it - if full grown men can screw chickens and ducks they can probably screw monkeys.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: kendall
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 12:47 PM

How could a full grown man screw a monkey? Impossible.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,Pinky
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 12:14 PM

I think I am in love with Amos. He's so sweet.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 12:06 PM

I think there already is a monkey-fucking song somewhere. HIV in people didn't start with that. The most reasonable thing I heard was a blood exposure (cut or puncture wound) when somebody was butchering one for dinner. That's just a guess though. Also, fuckees are at a greater risk that fuckers, so if, in this Bosch-like vision of hell, the virus jumped to people from monkeys by sex, it would likely have been from somebody being fucked BY a monkey. Probably up the wazoo, no condom, and no dinner and drinks before.

I'd apologize for my rudeness, but I spent a significant amount of time in Public Health interviewing people who had sexually transmitted diseases about their experiences, and the Great Thread Gerbil has already clawed its way through this one. Plus, until Spaw comes back, somebody has to provide the disgusting element.

Martin, what's your definition of a 'box office bomb'?

After December 23–25, 2005, it was only in 13th place and grossed $1,910,310.00. This is down a bit from 8th place $2,508,494.00 the previous weekend, but that's not anywhere near being a bomb. The fact that it does seem to be being shown in far fewer cinemas and STILL making this much money is significant.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:48 AM

But it's not a bomb, Martin -- it's a resounding success and has been widely acclaimed. Are all your conclusions this slipshod?

I don't think it is true that all gay impulses are "decadent" -- I suspect there is some sort of fixed idea behind this assertion about what constitutes moral goodness, or at least moral conformance. But it is mighty presumptuous of you to determine that this fixed notion is some sort of objective truth, which must bear on all human lives. Presumptuous, and worse, kinda dumb.

I don't go in for gay activity myself, but I do kind of think that there is little enough love in the world for anyone to afford to ridicule one form or another of it. I guess people who are overly concerned with being right about things, rather than discovering the truth about them, might find such ridicule an acceptable option, but I think it just contributes to the misery caused by obsessive rightness, which requires making less of others in order to cling to some hope for yourself. (Pretty pathetic, really, when you think how much more joy there is in the world outside such a small game).

A

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:35 AM

Yes, I did start this thread as Jeri pointed out. She also pointed out that I do speak truth. She also is extremely aware of the fact that what I write brings out some of the worst in the hypocritical Mudcat world. This, at times, cobined with my truth, is extremely rewarding to me.

The Guest, Sissy thread was co-mingled with this one by the clones. Notice the name is different in the subject line.

So you morons as usual are not paying attention, which is totally not surprising.

dianavan and other howlers. Your chain is pulled! You speak but for a very few. Your tolerance of decadence is laughable in the name of tolerance and I am seriously glad that you do not have many leaders in this country that think the way you do, about politics or what is and what is not moral.

This movie is a box office bomb for a true reason. Deal with it.

Weelittle, I don't really care to write songs, just interpret others. There have been many renowned performers and singers over the years who have done just that. If that doesn't make sense to you, why would I think your songs make any sense to me?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:17 AM

fudgepackers?
someone fucked a monkey

you are wasted on us Martin.
do you write songs like this?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:14 AM

As the inimitable jOhn might say: oh.

Thanks, Jeri.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:45 AM

I believe two threads have been combined and Martin started the 22 Dec one, while 'Sissy' started the 19 Dec thread that got 0 replies.

Ebbie, I still think he's got the edge on integrity over those whose posts appear under random, non-PMable names, and I've seen no evidence that he lies, unlike at least one anonymous other who has made him their mission. I don't care for him, but I don't hate him. Hate turns people into monsters. I DO care about doing the Right Thing, and who's on the receiving end and whether I like them doesn't much matter. It's the right thing. It's about MY conscience. We're all broken and the only way any of us will be fixed is if we give each other a break once in a while and let even those we don't like climb out of their roles and be better.

You're trying too hard to find something to bash him for.

In the holiday season, would you guys please look at your posts in this thread, at other people's posts in this thread, and ask yourself if this is what you want your time here to be about?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 04:09 AM

Of course being threatened is serious, Martin. We each have our own way of dealing with it. I found the speak softly but carry a big stick fine for me. Others would rather stir the hornets nest and then run away when they get stung. I am by no means extoling either attitude as right or wrong - Just different. Just as the sexual preferences of other people may be just different?

Don't get me wrong I believe I do understand what you are saying (although I would not have chosen the phrase 'having homosexuality pushed down my throat'...:-) ) Perhaps if I run a personal experience by you, and the rest of the crowd, we may get somewhere? I am a family man myself. Married 32 years, 5 kids - 2 of them married but no grandkids yet:-( I do consider myself tolerant of most things. Some years ago around where I live (Manchester, UK) they decided to have a 'gay pride' parade. It was billed as family friendly, safe and fun so, having nothing to do that particular day and perhaps being overly naive I took the family.

The atmosphere was good. There were jugglers, fire-eaters and all sorts of stuff the kids loved. The first couple of floats were OK too. Then came one of the most blatant displays of public sexuality I had ever seen. Half a dozen or so men on the float, all almost naked dancing and cavorting in the most provocative way imaginable. I simply took the family away to enjoy the rest of the festival away from the parade (there was folk music as well btw - Forget who it was) and ponderered on what I had seen later.

It came to me the following week when an article in the Manchester Evening News proclaimed that the council were divided on whether to allow a lap dancing club in the city centre. It was not the gay men cavorting in public who were in the wrong. It was our stupid council leaders with their double standards and overblown sense of what is correct. It is perfectly OK for men to dance provocatively in public, but not for women to do so in private? I have never been to a lap dancing club btw - neither have I been back to the gay pride parade.

Instead of venting off at the gay men or women who are as much victims of the political machine as we are how about accepting that it may not be the gay people themselves who are causing you concern? Perhaps it is the system that allows minorities rights while denying them to the majority that is wrong? Perhaps it is those who jump on the politcal bandwagon to further their own agendas that are causing problems?

Not that anyone here does that. On either side of the fence;-)

Bear in mind of course that there are times when upholding minority rights can be a good thing. You are of course well aware of that, Martin.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: dianavan
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 01:26 AM

Martin has informed us that he started this thread but under the name of sissy.

I guess that proves that Martin is a sissy.

Now that he has exposed himself, maybe he will go away.

I've always wondered what type of pervert he is. Its just plain obvious that he enjoys exposing himself in public.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 12:29 AM

Spacek's dad died a number of years ago. Must be a Mudcatter channeling him, eh?

Martin Gibson isn't interested in anything but Martin Gibson. He couldn't care less about the movie, but to go away from the thread he'd lose all of the attention that is now focused on him.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 11:53 PM

Lest anyone should mistake my aim, I am, of course, referring to Guest/Sissy Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 11:24 PM

A liar? A liar! A hypocritical liar! Cowards log off and post as Guests because - unlike our hero - when they want to be anonymous
they use other names?

I have never done that but now we know one Mudcatter who does- after saying numerous times that he doesn't. What a stinkin' liar.

I hope you are just a teeny bit embarrassed. nyah nyah nyah nyah

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,Sissy spacek's Dad
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 10:45 PM

Now let me get this 'straight'
Martin Gibson started this Thread! Right? He says
" I started this thread. If you don't like it, get off."
I just done lecturin my Daughter about starting it but this statement has got me all confused, cause this person also says " As I have always said, I only use the (name?) Martin Gibson." So why start the Thread under Guest Sissy!
See saying things like " The guest who poses as Taylor Takamine is like most of the Guests here. Cowardly regulars who can usually only insult or ridicule in something other than their regular sign-in Mudcat name." then going and doing it is just darn confusin, if not plain stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 10:42 PM

Nah, Martin, I wouldn't dream of trying to figure out what you should do, so I could tell you. Too complex an equation. But don't waste your money on this movie, trust me. It ain't for you. I went down to a gay bar and told all my ex-lovers about it, and they said, almost unanimously, that you shouldn't see it. Well, what they said exactly was it ain't fit fare for a broke-dick mammalucca with suppressed latent obsessive-compulsive fixations, but I thought I'd shorten it up for you.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 10:05 PM

Martin, I find your problems understanding what others write to be somewhat amusing. The fact you think the movie is a box office failure is amusing. This obsession you have with male homosexuality might be amusing if you were doing a comedy routine. The fact that you accuse everyone who doesn't share your knee-jerk homophobic reaction of being gay (as if they cared) is making you look like the South Park kid they forgot, is VERY funny. When I read what you write, I hear Cartman as a little old guy. There are just too many things that I can't take seriously. I guess what bothers me is that some DO take you seriously enough to go off their rockers.

"Sodomize" AND "buttfuck"!!?? Surely they don't do both at the same time!

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 09:55 PM

I'm not reviewing it. I'm just saying that I have no interest in seeing a movie about fudgepackers, whether they are cowboys, astronauts, or folksingers. That's pretty much what I have been saying all along.

And maybe you stopped practicing journalism because with all of that practice, you just couldn't get it right.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 09:37 PM

Dear Martin-
Now I understand. As someone who was a practising journalist for msny years, I had forgotten what a school of journalism can do to an unformed mind.

I haven't seen the movie, but I wouldn't consider reviewing without having seen it.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 09:26 PM

Dave, being threatened is serious. Most police think so. I have coime back and I fight my own battles, probably much more couragously than many here.

Dick Gashouse, I minored in journalism in college. To me, you have no creditionals to shoot your mouth off because I am not interested in seeing a movie about gay men.

Jeri, you just can't make everything that doesn't agree with you just go away. I'm here for the long haul. And I started this thread. If you don't like it, get off. Maybe you need a break. The ones who get worked up with what I write about and perhaps yourself also have no exact hold on what the Mudcat world is. As for my entourage, specifically who are you refering to? The guest who poses as Taylor Takamine is like most of the Guests here. Cowardly regulars who can usually only insult or ridicule in something other than their regular sign-in Mudcat name. As I have always said, I only use the Martin Gibson.

Now, I will state it again. This movie about men who sodomize and buttfuck each other for whatever reason, I don't care if they do love each other is not a movie I am interested in seeing. None of the major theater chains will touch it but with a few exceptions because it's audience, like it's agenda, is purely speical interest only.

Amos, you don't need to tell me what to do. Perhaps after seeing this movie, you can go to a gay bar and discuss it with your former lovers. I am sure that they would love to share their agenda with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 06:21 PM

A lot of people have physically threatened Chongo, and he hasn't quit yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 06:16 PM

I quit when someone physically threatened me.

Tsk, tsk, Martin. Surely that is the behaviour of those Guests who are regular posters continue to be cowardly. Especially the gay ones.

Is not quiting because someone threatens you a cowardly act? I would have quit the world a long time ago if I was to quit everytime I was physicaly threatened. Learn to fight back, man! Go beyond the words. Remember the phrase coined by one of your famous leaders. Speak softly but carry a big stick:-)

Btw - Did you hear about the gay bandit who went into town to shoot up the sherrif? Did they use the famous cowboy phrase in this film? Yup? Yip!

Sorry - just being offensive.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: John O'L
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 04:16 PM

"we need someone to take a stand"

Yes, or at least someone who won't take a fence.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 03:53 PM

mind you he's right.

It's everywhere...take Karate Kid 2. the old guy who was always standing on one leg and the young kid - can't tell me they weren't a bit keen on each other.

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs - did you see how close together those beds were.....

we need someone to take a stand

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 02:32 PM

I'd be curious to see how much MG could write about a movie he was interested in.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 02:27 PM

Martin Gibson must find it very affirming to be the center of the universe for his little entourage. I'd just as soon the lot of you found some other website to devastate with your battles and another unwilling audience to torment.

Taylor Takimine (or whomever you are today), do you really have to jump every time Martin snaps his fingers, do you have to jump through every hoop, or is HE one of your personalities too? I'm really starting to believe you and he are two different personalities inhabiting the same body.

I'm probably going to see the movie, but not at the theaters because it's just too much money. Thanks to Charlie Baum for an intelligent post, back before the usual infestation took hold.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 02:21 PM

Do NOT go to that movie.

It would not be good for you.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,Taylor Takamine
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 01:57 PM

If you do go to see it, Martin, I will be VERY disappointed in you, and will probably never speak to you again.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 01:39 PM

I tole ya not to go see it, Mister Latent. Don't go see it! Do as I say!! :)

A

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 11:22 AM

dianavan, see the movie Philadelphia and stop being the usual idiot in denial of what is fact. AIDS is proportionately wider spread in the gay community and the risk of getting it is higher there, especially with multiple partners.

I don't want to see the movie, Amos because it is about gays. Do you want to see movies you are not interested in? It doesn't interest me or probably many others unless they are gay or sympathetic to the gay agenda, or have a brother or a son that is gay or in the fudgepacking business, perhaps. Like I said, the movie is a box office bomb because of very little appeal.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 03:54 AM

too!

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Dec 05 - 03:54 AM

I wonder if Martin thinks you get bovine encephalitis from fucking cows?

He probably thinks you get avian flu from fucking birds, tool

...and Donuel, don't you dare illustrate those thoughts!

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,gregory
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 11:56 PM

It is amazing that Ang Lee could make anything worth watching.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: number 6
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 10:53 PM

Don't worry ... I'm always getting in trouble for that.... but I've survived this far.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 10:47 PM

Yeah, that's what I thought. I'll try to be more observant of your humour in future, 6.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: number 6
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 10:43 PM

LH ... everyone misinterpets my humour. No, I'm not a grouch in the least bit.

..and yes "think of it as a sextet or something like that?" .. your very observant ! :)

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 08:52 PM

Acclaimed western BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN has topped Florida's annual movie critics poll, after walking away with four awards including Best Film.

The controversial movie also won Best Director (ANG LEE), Best Screenplay (LARRY McMURTRY and DIANA OSSANA), and Best Cinematography (RODRIGO PRIETO) in the Florida Film Critics Circle vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Alba
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 07:24 PM

:>)

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: jaze
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 07:14 PM

Tolerance is wrong? And we wonder why we have wars?