BS: I am making vinegar

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 11:09 AM

And as for pickled eggs . . .

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: MBSLynne
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 02:46 AM

Well you've got me going Jimmy! I have a small, experimental jar of white wine with vinegar added, on my kitchen table. If I like the result I'll do bigger quantities. How's yours going?

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:46 AM

i have what I belive to be eldeflower wine vinegar. We made it in the autumn, and tasted it at some point and it was a reasoanable wine, so it should be an intersting vinegar....


gargoyle, shame on you for giving up so easily! if you can't drink your distillate, then carry on going, and turn it into rocket fuel. There are plenty of uses around the house for 95% ethanol, and if you're careful, you mught even have your eyebrows left afterwards.

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:12 AM

Adding acetic acid to an alcoholic beverage is not the same as brewing the particular vinegar - I can tell the taste between acid + apple juice and cider vinegar - see previous message above.

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: jimmyt
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:12 AM

Robin, If you are referring to Lynne's post above I think she is using the white vinegar as a "starter" not to increase the acidity or lower the pH as it were. In fact, one way of starting vinegar is to just add vinegar to wine and let mother nature take its course. Especially if there is a bit of "mother" in the vinegar, the bacteria will colonize, create a membrane on the top of the liquid and then feed off the alcohol that is added leaving...viola vinegar. It is a slower process but the vinegar should be quite nice.

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:15 AM

Unless you develop a little class here, jimmy--that is, make some using Muscatel, then I shall have no recourse but to








            and that's that.

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: jimmyt
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:51 AM

Lynnikins, I am excited about your white vinegar quest. Frow what I have read, however, white vinegar takes much longer and requires a bit of luck to make a good product. May take 6 months to get the vinegar going good.

My vinegar is now less than 4 weeks old and I tested it yesterday and it is deep red and very strong but excellent taste with absolutely no chemical aftertaste like the commercial stuff i have in my pantry. I added a couple glasses of some flat Barbaresco I had opened a week ago yesterday and I guess I am up to about a half gallen so far. The bacteria that grows and colonizes on the top is a bit disconcerting if you don't know what to expect, but I have seen photos of what it is supposed to look like and I am right on course. It starts with many circular one inch mold looking areas on the top and within a day or so it coalesces into a grey looking membrane. WIthin a couple days it turned red like the vinegar but it is like a colloidal mambrane sort of like the skin on the top of custard or something.

Again, if anyone wants a starter I will send some as soon asit is mature enough to send. The starter consists of about 4 oz of vinegar with a piece of the mother in it.

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: jimmyt
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:04 AM

Brucie, I would try using some of your favorite products in my vinegar but I am afraid the contamination from the brown paper sack may be too much for my bacteria to stand.

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:04 PM

jimmyt

most commercial 'white vinegar' will probably have no 'mother' in it. Only a good quality 'wine vinegar' may still have traces.

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: jimmyt
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:09 PM

I agree Robin that if it is just white vinegar it is a chemical and not the result of bacterial fermentation there would be no mother in it. ALso, it is essential to let the air get to it by keeping it covered with a cloth of some sort or it will never colonise.

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: GUEST,jeanniepoodles
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 10:55 PM

I am making vinegar and I just checked it in my basement and it has those fruit flys in it. is it no good or is there some way to fix it. and also a few blttles dried out a bit, I just put more water in them is that o.k

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 11:03 PM

Put some fish in it and they will eat the fruit flies.

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 01:10 AM

and when the fish are big enough, just bring the whole mess to a simmer for about 10-15 mins and you will have fish soup.

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 01:15 AM

and the soup will have a tang to it.

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 01:18 AM

AAdd some sugar, and you will have sweet and sour fish soup.

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: jimmyt
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 08:40 AM

well jeanniepoodles that is why you leave the vinegar open while it is making but you cover it tightly with a cloth like an old diaper. I guess it is a matter of whether you value the vinegar more than your concern about the fruit flies. YOu might filter it through some coffee filters and trudge on!

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: jimmyt
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 08:42 AM

my problem right now is I can't get ahead of my vinegar usage! I am using it faster than replaving it in the crock where the bacterial colony is still cheerfully manufacturing new for me.

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 12:25 PM

but you cover it tightly with a cloth like an old diaper.

A clean one, ok? ;o)

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: jimmyt
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 12:56 PM

Yes, a clean one!

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: MBSLynne
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 03:35 PM

Oh...I've been looking hopefully at my jar every day and nothing's happening. Now I see why. Six MONYHS??? Damn. The reason I've made white is because I happened to have part of a bottle of home-made dandelion wine that I opened for cooking and didn't get used up. Oh well I'll just leave it and see. I've got a lid on mine but I leave it off for an hour every day.

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: jimmyt
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 03:57 PM

I have no experience with white wine vinegar, lynnikins but what i read is it is a bit moody and difficult to get started. Perhaps I should just send you some of this lovely red?

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 04:18 PM

You think vinegar flies will take more than an hour to find it?
I don't think so!

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: MBSLynne
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 04:33 PM

Well vinegar flies aren't a problem at the moment, it being winter. I guess if it's going to take six months though, I'll cover it with cheese-cloth or something.

That sounds like a lovely idea Jimmypooh, but I don't suppose you can send it over here...

I fully intend to try a red one as soon as there is a red that doesn't get consumed! I also intend to have a go at cider vinegar from apples when the season is right.

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: jimmyt
Date: 17 Feb 06 - 09:23 AM

WEll, I have over a gallon of quite wonderful red wine vinegar with lots of mother( bacterial vinegar-makine colony) that I would be glad to share for free with anyone if you would like some.

I will also give you the info I have on producing more and you can take it from there. THe only requirements are: I am a bit dicey about shipping this out of the US, and you must either drink red wine or have a source to replenish this from time to tome about a glass a week. When I seperate it in a couple weeks Icould send it out cheerfully! jimmyt

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: bobad
Date: 17 Feb 06 - 10:25 AM

I didn't think you could send your mother through the mail.

Subject: RE: Wine
From: GUEST,jade
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 01:51 PM

I have 5000 bottles of bad wine. Anyone know of a company or individuals who purchase under these circumstances?

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 05:24 PM

Whaddya mean by 'bad?'

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 11:06 AM

That's a lot of vinegar. Could it be made into bio-diesel?

Subject: RE: BS: I am making vinegar
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 08:27 PM

If you spray that much vinegar in the air, it will erode incoming missiles.

Get in touch with Big George - he needs help with his anti-missle program.