BS: Alito brings real balance

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 11:13 PM

No, he gets his news from The National Enquirer or possibly The Ladies Home Journal.

Barbar Boxer Shorts is a spokeperson for the Amos' of society. It's like going to a comedy club.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: DougR
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:58 PM

Amos: you are a riot. You offer quotes from Barbara Boxer to support your views! Unbelievable.

Bobert: Your excusing Senator Byrd for his past transgressions and jumping on Alito for what you perceive to be his is astonishing! And McGrath, do you know, FOR A FACT, that Byrd never mentioned membership in the Klan (a leadership one in fact) on a resume? Where did you get your info? The GUARDIAN?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Old Guy
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 01:42 AM

Democrats in ad for Alito:
http://news.findlaw.com/prnewswire/20060113/13jan20060858.html
The ad profiles two democrat supporters of Alito -- former Attorney General Robert Del Tufo (D-NJ) and Yale law professor J.L. Pottenger.

"I'm a Democrat, actually I'm a very liberal Democrat and Sam's qualifications to serve on the Supreme Court are unassailable," said Yale law professor J.L. Pottenger. "He understands that a judge is not a policy maker. I resent the political partisan attacks on Sam Alito."

"He does not have a partisan bone in his body nor an ideological bent," echoed former Attorney General Robert Del Tufo (D-NJ). "He would certainly be a credit to this country."

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Old Guy
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 01:32 AM

Bobert 30 years is too long for me but 200 years is ok for you:

Yeah, Thomas Jefferson warned us that if democracy would work it would tinvolved and informed electorate... Well, like troll has pointed out, most kids don't know sh*t from shinola...

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 01:08 AM

Alito is going to be elected.

Face it, the likes of a Greg F. will never be happy with whoever is President unless his name with either Karl Marx or Joseph Stalin. I mean, when you are on the fringe of society, you will never fit in.

I'll just be you have a shit job Greg F or none at all. You seem unhirable.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Duane D.
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:37 PM

The ONLY thing Doug R. is correct about in this thread is it's name, it's ALL BS.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:05 PM

Long time ago, Old Guy...

You can't apply today'e realities to stuff that happened over 3 decades ago.... They don't interface...

Looking back, I also wasn't too happy with JFK's decision to the build up of US forces in South Vietnem or the assasination of Presdident Diem... Those decisions were dumb...

Bobby Kennedy??? Different Kennedy... I was working in his campaign when he was assasinated...

But back to Alito... Looks like he's gonna be a 61-39'er or maybe a little better...

I think alot of Dems are seeing him as another Clarence Thomas who will side with the corporation and Christain Right 99.9% of the time...

Waht will this make??? 8 of the 9 Supremes nominated by Repubs... Shame on the Dems fir not being an opposition party... They have lost alot of elections because they were way too afraid of being labeled "liberals"... Oh, how scarey... Hey, the liberals ain't responsible for these reecnt deficits or Iraq-mire...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:30 PM

Ancient Greek rhetoricians admired -- and feared -- powerful speakers who had the gift of emotional appeal and exhortation. My worn copy of "A Handlist of Rhetorical Terms" lists over 50 types of emotional appeals. From "amphidiorthosis" ("to hedge or qualify" a dangerous or bold position ) to "threnos" (a lament), thoughtful minds in the fourth century B.C. had analyzed every plea, supplication, ploy and gambit.

Yet there's strong evidence a healthy democracy requires rhetorical showmanship and convincing verbal drama. (Hesoid argued that effective justice also requires it, since a ruling judge must persuade aggrieved parties justice has been served and not partisan interest.)

The vernacular of government -- the wonk words, tech jargon, statistics, weasel-ese, endless qualifiers -- is a calculated patois of obscurity, deniability and sleep-inducing lethargy. The wily bureaucrat loves sleep, and this love goes well beyond his post-lunch nap. Boring bureaucratese, with paragraphs of passive verbs, helps keep the public snoozing.

Democracy, however, demands transparency, responsibility and energy. The Marines argue our common defense requires a few good men. A few good verbs and metaphors won't ensure good government, but debate and discussion energized by grand language further that goal.

However, hot rhetoric untethered by fact or untempered by reflection undermines debate.

Fortunately, these hot words often burn the unfettered and ill-tempered tongue that utters them.

Take the Rev. Pat Robertson as a recent example of "failure to reflect." When Robertson said that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's tragic stroke might be a divine rebuke for "dividing God's land," a wave of deserved scorn and ridicule swamped the silly man. The White House and The New York Times blasted Robertson, a right-left political condemnation of a right-wing ayatollah.

Idiocy isn't illegal, nor is lying -- at least, not if one lies in U.S. Senate hearings. Ted Kennedy provides the recent example of hot, emotion-stoking rhetoric untethered by truth.

On opening day of Judge Samuel Alito's Supreme Court confirmation hearings, Kennedy opened up with a faith-based fire Robertson might envy: "Judge Alito has not written one single opinion on the merits in favor of a person of color alleging racial discrimination on the job. In 15 years, not one."

Kennedy's statement is completely false. Alito found for plantiffs alleging racial discrimination on the job in several cases (for example, Zubi v. AT&T Corp. and Goosby v. Johnson & Johnson Medical).

Kennedy, possibly because of his status as a left-wing political ayatollah, has avoided Robertson's mass condemnation. His snake dance and sanctimony is as poisonous as the Rev. Robertson's, however, and perhaps more venomous, since his fib slanders Judge Alito.

Kennedy hasn't quite escaped. Duke University Law Professor Erwin Chemerinsky, a left-wing legal scholar, begrudgingly admitted on Hugh Hewitt's radio program that Kennedy "was wrong. I'm not denying that."

Good for you, professor -- best not deny hard judicial fact.

Defenders of Robertson and Kennedy -- and who knows, there may be two or three out there -- could argue that both are "merely playing to their political base" by "pushing hot buttons" and "tossing red meat." Here's my lamentation: In contemporary politics, it seems flame raises more money than fact, and thus fund raising trumps truth, decency and common sense. Tactical politics dovetails with practical finances. The hot words are supposed "to drive the news day" and "hit the news cycle," feeding a "news machine" that thrives on sound-bites and glories in "gotcha."

Robertson was burned for his flame, and Kennedy should be. The likely burn in Kennedy's case is Alito's confirmation.


Copied from article by Austin Bay

Yours, Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:26 PM

Kennedy was wrong, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:02 PM

Or, compare his actions to those of Caligula, why don't we? Because those situations are not remotely similar, either, and comparisons are pointless, tho possibly entertaining. Kinda like discussing "What If" Picketts charge had succeeded......

Then we can get back to the real world & discussing The BuShites and CURRENT events.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Old Guy
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:35 PM

Bobert:

If you were a Kennedy fan, I am sort of a Kennedy fan to, What do you think if the Secret war in Laos? Americans were not in combat untill he sent them in. The American people and Congress were not told about it and in his SOU he said he would keep the American People and Congress informed of his actions?

If Kennedy was justified in doing that why is GWB not justified other than the fact that you have a grudge against him?

There is no comprehensive information about this war on the net. It is scattered here and there and you have to look real hard to stirn bits and peices together. There is a History Chanel program that sums it up pretty good but it does not come up often.

You see I do not follow party lines. I never have which gives me a wider vision, the big picture instead of your narrow minded hatefull, opinionated concept of the world.

You see Kennedy was a leader. He did not mind going against popular opinion to do what he thought was right. He was not an ass kisser like Clinton or a crook like Nixon. I think he was justifed in doing what he did and before you judge GWB, put your hatred and bile on hold for a while compare his actions to Kennedy.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:08 PM

Right Greg. And Pat Robertson sees George Bush as too liberal for his taste, too. Really, it's a matter of perspective. The Republican Party has drifted so far to the Right that the Middle looks like the Left. Fortunately, the rest of the country is on a more even keel, and ripe for a course correction.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:19 PM

... middle-of-the-road Republican like John McCain...

Middle of the road? Not quite. More like a Trojan horse in Dems clothing...

Ya need to do a bit more research; good starting point is
HERE

Yeah, yeah, I know, that Commie-Liberal, Tear-America-Down, Freedom-Hating Traitor publication" blah blah blah. However, the article concisely raised some disturbing points that can easily be verified elesewhere with a little further research- all public record stuff.

Have at it.

Best,

Greg

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:00 PM

LEJ, you got it taped in one. Well said.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:56 AM

Hear, Hear, EJ!

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 06:25 PM

That's true, Martin. But that only accounts for a fraction of people who disapprove of the job George Bush is doing. Unless you think all of the 60% of people who disapprove are socialists. I doubt that. A lot are probably hard-working capitalist taxpayers like myself. Get a competent and intelligent middle-of-the-road Republican like John McCain to run, and I may even vote Republican. But with the born-again reactionary element currently dominating the party, I doubt it will happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:41 PM

Or you can be a socialist and side with the Democratice Party to try to undermine everything to regain power.

It may even be your agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:10 PM

I know it's a hard concept to grasp but

You can believe America needs to be strong defensively while still condemning George Bush's bumbling strategy in Iraq.

You can believe that America should pursue Bin Laden, Zawahiri and their ilk mercilessly, while still believing that unauthorized wiretaps and torture are wrong.

You can believe that Social Security needs to be fixed while still believing that Bush's plan is bogus.

You can believe that Congress is still the best political construction for representation of the people, while still stating that Tom Delay and Jack Abramoff and the rest of the Republican corruption mafia are thieves.

You can believe in God and still think He shouldn't have a throne in Washington.

You can believe unnecessary taxation is wrong, while still seeing that tax cuts for the wealthy coupled with unprecedented and out of control federal expenditures are driving us us deeper into a debt that we owe to foreign countries that our children will likely inherit.

In short, you can be a loyal American and be disgusted by what Bush and his cohorts are doing to the country.

It may even be your duty.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 04:42 PM

Martin -- A great team of multiple personalities out to recover their collective sanity.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 03:12 PM

Amos, bober, and Osama

A great team out to destroy america.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 03:02 PM

Ted Kennedy like Amos does not know the difference between political satire and the truth:
Alumni Group Membership at Issue
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/11/AR2006011102148.html
Washington Post, United States - Jan 11, 2006
... Kennedy read aloud a number of passages from the group's magazine, Prospect ... One 1983 article, titled "In Defense of Elitism," began: "People nowadays just don't ...

The 1983 essay "In Defense of Elitism" by Harry Crocker III included this line, read dramatically by Kennedy: "People nowadays just don't seem to know their place. Everywhere one turns blacks and hispanics are demanding jobs simply because they're black and hispanic..."

The essay may not have been funny, D'Souza acknowledges, but Kennedy read from it as if it had been serious instead of an attempt at humor.

"I think left-wing groups have been feeding Senator Kennedy snippets and he has been mindlessly reciting them," D'Souza said. "It was a satire."

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 01:47 PM

Why worry about abortion rights? There is always Roto Rooter.

Call Roto-Rooter, that's the name
And away go troubles down the drain

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 16 Jan 06 - 10:57 PM

Hey, it's entertainment! It's all good!

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jan 06 - 06:53 PM

AR:

I kinda figgered it was one of those slime-scum doing their hijinks. No hard feelings.

Some people really know how to pervert communication, huh?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 16 Jan 06 - 06:35 PM

>>Bobert, your brown eye is doing a fine job.
Thank you Amos.

Sure thing, AR. Anytime you want the record straightened out.<<

That wasn't me. Old Guy/Martin Gibson likes to use my moniker to insult Bobert thinking he can start a big war between us.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jan 06 - 12:22 AM

Sure thing, AR. Anytime you want the record straightened out.

A.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 11:39 PM

Bobert, your brown eye is doing a fine job.
Thank you Amos.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 11:29 PM

Marty, you're doing one heckuva job. Jus' like ole Brownie. Making a flaming ass of your own self while posing and shooting off at the old mouth. Keep up the good work. Fact of the matter is your bogey Osama, word on the street says, is so near dead it makes little difference.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 11:16 PM

Ain't got nuthin' to do with what I feel but what you do... I'm not in Osama's equation... You are... And he says, "Keep up the good work, Marty..."

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 11:09 PM

Of course you know what he would say. You guys are on the same wavelength about America and hatred of George Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 11:05 PM

No, Marty, Osoma is perfectly willing to let yer one little flaw be over-looked as long as yer playing the good pawn in Bush's game...

"Keep up the good work, Marty", Osoma would say...

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 11:00 PM

No he doesn't. Osama would kill me on the spot as a Jew.

Shows what you know, pal. He likes your non-support of America's leaders. They are not perfect, but the majority elected them.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 10:54 PM

No, Martin, they need yers... They just love the Bush true believers... Been good for recruitment... Yeah, Bush might be having trouble with his recruitment efforts here at home but with your continued efforts, Martin, Osoma ain't havin' any problems...

Osoma says "Keep it up, Marty"...

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 10:46 PM

Amos and bobert,

al quaida needs your addresses so they can send you a thank you card and gifts of appreciation.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 10:16 PM

That's never taken much; and to answer your question, the policy of invasion and starting wars begins in crooked minds and greedy black little souls. Present company included.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Old Guy
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 09:40 PM

So what is your point AR282 other than to try to goad me into trading insults?

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 09:37 PM

Yo, OLd Guy,

Yeah, I mighta been stoned in the 60's but I don't mean I weren't there...

The 1960 campaign was the first I had ever worked... I was 14 years old and my mom was involved with the Kennedy campaign so I knocked on a lot of doors...

In '65 I was an organizer of the first progressive student organization at Richmond Professional Institute (now Virginia Commonwealth University) and over the next 5 years when I got my Bachelor's degree from VCU, I was involved in not only anit-war organizing, but also managed to work for 1 year in the local CAP program as well as working for Bobby Kennedy in the '68 campaign as a paid orgainizer...

So lets not get "getting stoned" meaning "dropped out"... One thing about me is that I have always been involved with community oraganizing and alsways been in the game... Still am... I'm what they call an "activist"... Heck, I've allready given references to newpapers articles that have been written recently about what I'm into now but its the same old me... Trying to make my community better....

But this ain't got much to do with Alito...

All I can say, and I hope I'm wrong, is that I fear this guy is going to be jsut another corporate puppet on a court that is packed with folks who think the corporation is GOD... Yeah, that scares the heck outta me... The corporations allready have a stranglehold over our lives....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 09:20 PM

It is pretty alarming when the main reason for appointing a judge is that he is a rabid anti-liberal idealogue, in a country where "liberal" is a term of abuse. In most of the world "liberal" is a term of praise. This brings WWIII a bit, maybe not a little bit, closer.

In the words of Dave Allen, "Goodnight, and may your God do with you".

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 09:13 PM

>>You shure make short work of a long and thoughtful post with snide sarcasm.<<

You have the thoughtfulness of a toilet seat.

>>I suppose that is you cure for the world, rip everybody to shreds and let God sort them out.<<

Seems to be yours.

>>Can I tell you what to tell your grand daughter about you?<<

I don't know, can you?

>>Even If I had your permission I would not because it would be improper to do so.<<

If it's permission you want then you ask, "May I tell your granddaughter about you?" "Can I..." is asking me if you have the ability and hence my response.

>>Have you got any long and thoughtful posts that might contribute anything but negativisim and sarcasm?<<

For you? No.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Old Guy
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 09:08 PM

AR282:

You shure make short work of a long and thoughtful post with snide sarcasm. I suppose that is you cure for the world, rip everybody to shreds and let God sort them out.

Can I tell you what to tell your grand daughter about you? Even If I had your permission I would not because it would be improper to do so.

Have you got any long and thoughtful posts that might contribute anything but negativisim and sarcasm?

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 08:48 PM

>>>My major fear is that a terrorist group will strike the US again with something like a dirty bomb.<<<

So your solution is to turn Iraq into a terrorist breeding and training ground? Sounds like job security to me. Tell your granddaughter she has far more to fear from you than from terrorists--the adult version of the bogey man.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Old Guy
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 08:28 PM

Amos:

When did this willingness to start wars and invade other countrys begin?

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 07:01 PM

Now here's a thread title that only George Orwell could love.

As for Douggie-Boy, Landmine & Old Fart, they, as usual, seem to think this is some sort of football match.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 05:04 PM

Mainly, Alito has done a smooth job with the questions.
Regarding CAP, his claim not to remember the group though attempting to score points by listing it on his job application is a plain case of his having been advised that, like Reagan's convenient memory lapses, this is the best tactic to avoid nasty explanations and wicked sound bites. Whether you agree with his record or not, Alito is clearly an intelligent man. There are only two possibilities here ; a) he really doesn't remember, which reveals a significant flaw in his mental capacity, which should rule him out of the position of Supreme Court Justice or b) he's lying, which should rule him out of the position of Supreme Court Justice. His positions on abortion, dominance of the executive branch, etc are all secondary to this fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 04:53 PM

DougR's idea of "real balance" is about as honest as Fox's "fair and balanced" news.

What is so balanced about putting another wealthy, inbred, Yalebird law, white Catholic male on a Supreme Court which includes:

1 person of color
1 woman
4 Catholics (Alito will be the 5th)

???

Balance? Not even a little.

But then, I opposed Roberts for the same reason. The Supreme Court should reflect the US population, as should the US Congress and the Executive branch. Fat chance of that ever happening again before our nation goes down the tubes.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 04:47 PM

Which is it??

Is Alito to the right or left of Tito ????????

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 04:19 PM

Personally, I don't know how anyone can consider him or herself a patriot, and say that the people of this country are better off than they were before when our veterans and service men and women keep getting the sevices provided to them cut and large numbers of them are experiencing crushing deprivation.

But as long as you and yours get what you want, why should you worry?

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 02:01 PM

Truth be told, the quality of my life is pretty good. In respect of possessions, comforts, good friends and beloved relations.

But I am not so short-sighted as to think that my own comfort is the measure of my nation. And in that regard, the quality of my life is declining. I once took intense pride in the core precepts of individual freedom, of checks and balances under a rule of law, and in the fundamental decency of Americans all over the country.

Bush's imperialism has revealed a nation where the law is a mere convenience, the Constitution a piece of paper, where ditto-headism is the highest virtue, and where freedom to speak and assemble is curtailed. The openness of citizens to dialogue has given way in many places to rabid partisanship, name-calling, and blind lashings of the sort which Old Guy has posted in the past. Most important, we have become a nation that is willing to start wars and invade other countries. I don't think we have ever had so pusillanimous a Congress nor so aggressive and fascistic an executive branch before.

So although I am doing okay, my optimism is a bit less sunny than Martin's; I think there is some writing on the wall that we need to pay attention to.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 01:27 PM

Mine keeps going up. Why? Because maybe I am working harder.

You are so right, Old Guy. We have it great in America for those who want to work for it.

Personally, I would be a liar if I didn't say I am glad that the last two judges elected are middle age educated and common sense white men.

Subject: RE: BS: Alito brings real balance
From: Old Guy
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 01:00 PM

Bobert:

Maybe our real differences come from the fact that I did not spend the 60's stoned. I had my own TV repair shop back when you could still repair TVs and I remeber sitting at the bench when news of the assasination of JFK came over the set I was working on.

That sort of made me sit up and take notice of the status of things in the world. Every comparison I make seems to go back to that time.

From every measure I can think of I see that everybody is better off now than we were then. America seems to bumble along while people make dire predictions about crap.

If another country gets ahead of the US it will be because of creeping socialisim.

I am sitting here listening to my 7 year old grand daughter learning to play the piano and sing the theme from Alladin. My major fear is that a terrorist group will strike the US again with something like a dirty bomb. I wish NSA had a person monitoring every phone in the us in order to prevent another terrorist attack. I have nothing to hide and even if I were arrested by accident I would realize that such things happen. Nobody can be perfect.

When I hear people calling GWB a facist because some overseas phone calls are tapped (which has been done repeatedly for far less reason) I can only think they are risking everyone's safety because of their own narrow minded idea of freedom that they are trying to force on everybody. I do not feel like I am giving up any freedoms by letting the government do it's job as good as it can under the circumstances.

Is your quality of life going downhill or uphill?