BS: Al-Qaida does not exist

Subject: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: GUEST,cansouth
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 02:47 AM

[img]http://www.geocities.com/evian0630fra/alqaida012basharalassad.jpg[/img] [b]Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad[/b]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2003-05-25-assad_x.htm
5/25/2003
[quote]Assad doubts existence of al-Qaeda
KUWAIT CITY (AP) - Syrian President Bashar Assad said in an interview published Sunday that he doubts the existence of al-Qaeda, the terror group blamed for the Sept. 11 attacks and recent strikes in Saudi Arabia and Morocco.

"Is there really an entity called al-Qaeda? Was it in Afghanistan? Does it exist now?" Assad asked, according to the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Anba.


Such speculation is popular among some in the Arab world who say Washington has manufactured or exaggerated the threat posed by al-Qaeda in order to paint Muslims as dangerous.
[/quote]






http://www.zaman.com/?bl=national&alt=&trh=20050815&hn=22982
August 14, 2005
[quote]
«Countries facing the al-Qaeda threat are awaiting the intelligence Turkish security is to provide. Amid the smoke from the fortuitous fire emerged the possibility that al-Qaeda may not be, strictly speaking, an organization but an element of an intelligence agency operation.

Turkish intelligence specialists agree that there is no such organization as al-Qaeda.

Rather, Al-Qaeda is the name of a secret service operation. The concept "fighting terror" is the background of the "low-intensity-warfare" conducted in the mono-polar world order. The subject of this strategy of tension is named as "al-Qaeda." »[/quote]

http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=1604
2005-08-01
[quote]There is no Terrorist Organization Called Al Qaida

…Nese Düzel from Radikal (a Turkish newspaper) asked this question and more on Al Qaida to Mahir Kaynak, a former academic and a former intelligence officer. He has suggested different and debateful views, which will be summarized in this article.


Further more he argued that there is no Al Qaida. According to Kaynak, Al Qaida is the name of the operation carried out by an intelligence service, which is CIA…With this operation an anti-Islam front among the peoples of the world is tried to be created. [/quote]





http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1327904,00.html
Friday October 15, 2004
[quote]The Power of Nightmares seeks to overturn much of what is widely believed about Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida.

The latter, it argues, is not an organised international network.

It does not have members or a leader.
It does not have "sleeper cells".
It does not have an overall strategy.
In fact, it barely exists at all, except as an idea about cleansing a corrupt world through religious violence. [/quote]




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2897137.stm
[quote]According to Dadullah, al-Qaeda did
not exist in Afghanistan and he said he did not know
the fate or whereabouts of Osama bin-Laden. [/quote]





http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/397/13821_AlQaeda.html
08/19/2004
[quote]
«Al Qaeda does not exist and never has»

«The basic truth is that Al Qaeda does not exist and never has. Al Qaeda is a manufactured enemy who was created by the Bush Administration in order to have an excuse to wage a war for the control of the world"s oil resources.»[/quote]





http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article396241.ece
[quote]- Al-Qaida er en amerikansk fiksjon

Terrororganisasjonen Al-Qaida er noe USA har
funnet på, mener den omstridte fredsforskeren
Johan Galtung.

- Etter min vurdering er al-Qaida noe Washington
har funnet på, en typisk Pentagon-projeksjon,
sier Galtung.

På spørsmål fra Spiegel Online om han virkelig mener
at al-Qaida ikke eksisterer, svarer Galtung at Vestens
forestilling om organisasjonen er gal.

- Men det finnes en stor kraft, som stort sett er
organisert i celler, som i Hamburg, og som holdes
sammen gjennom troen, sier han.[/quote]




http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=3054299
[quote]Bashir selv skylder på CIA og USA for å
stå bak angrepet mot Bali.
Han benekter også at gruppene Jemaah
Islamiyah og al-Qaida eksisterer. [/quote]

http://www.gsmpro.com/article/articledt.asp?hArticleId=39
[quote]Bashir on Friday accused the United States of inventing both al-Qaida and Jemaah Islamiyah to portray Muslims as terrorists.[/quote]




[img]http://www.geocities.com/evian0630fra/alqaida007.jpg[/img]
[b]Qazi Hussain, member of Parliament in Pakistan[/b]

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/politikk/article844875.ece
[quote]«Qazi Hussain har kritisert den pakistanske regjerings samarbeid med USA i kampen mot Taliban-regimet i Afghanistan. Han har snakket pent om Taliban-ledelsen og Osama bin Laden og benektet eksistensen av terrornettverket Al-Qaida.» [/quote]

http://www.usefulwork.com/shark/qazi021013.html
[quote]Qazi Hussain Ahmed :
«I've never been sure whether the so-called Al-Qaeda has ever even existed. »[/quote]

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 04:39 AM

Well Bobert what do you think of that post?
G ☺

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: Dead Horse
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 06:13 AM

Cutters & Pasters certainly DO exist!

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 06:53 AM

Didn't they bring out an LP?

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 07:14 AM

I see someone doesn't know how to do a blue clicky. Or can't be bothered to.

Pretty evidently the idea that there is a centralised James Bond type Al Qaeda organisation running every jihad style terror activity around the world is unsustainable. I note that our friendly GUEST cansouth here seems to be trying to confuse that notion with its obverse, that seeks to turn it upside down and puts the CIA in the driving seat, which is equally unsustainable.

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 08:07 AM

Do they blink when being interrogated?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 10:22 AM

Well, if it didn't exist someone would have to invent it. ;-) If they did, angry young Muslims would join up. Then it would exist.

Sounds like a self-sustaining system.

I guess the only question is, who invented it? And to what extent is it a real factor in the present political/military situation?

The notion that Al Queda "barely exists at all, except as an idea about cleansing a corrupt world through religious violence" may be correct. Ideas are very powerful things. America has such ideas too. America, since its inception, has assumed that it can cleanse, enlighten, and improve the whole World through a combination of marketing, spreading its social/political institutions far and wide, and using military force when other persuasion fails. That idea was once called "Manifest Destiny". It was also called the Monroe Doctrine. It's an idea that is offensive, of course, to almost anyone BUT an American. ;-)

The Romans had a similar idea. So did the British. Kipling called it "the White Man's Burden". What a smarmy way to justify the hunger for Empire...

The Soviets had a similar idea too. So did the Nazis. So did the Japanese and Mussolini.

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 02:46 PM

The Mafia doesn't exist either. (Or so the Mafia says.)

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 02:52 PM

Empire is not the planned satiation of meglomania, just the unforseen side effect of guarding an economic interest.

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 04:23 PM

The Monroe Doctrine was a territorial defense doctrine, LH, not one about spreading ideas per se.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: DougR
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 04:33 PM

What a relief!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 04:56 PM

You're fairly much right about that, BPL...but that still doesn't make its subject people in the "colonies" like it all that much.

Amos - Well....I think the Monroe Doctrine was both about defence and about establishing a wider sphere of influence beyond the USA's borders. It's a mixed picture in that sense.

All great powers do these things, of course, whenever they think they can manage it.

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 05:58 PM

That is fantastic news. Made by entire week. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 06:02 PM

One way of looking at The Monroe Doctrine was that it involved unilaterally declaring the New World (aside from Canada and a few other bits) was a protectorate of the United States. And that is a kind of imperialism - after all, much of the British Empire consisted of "protectorates". And "protection" is a well established modus operandi for other organisations too such as teh Mafia. I wouldn't be surprised if the Al Qaeda brand gets used for that as well...

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 06:15 PM

I think GUESTS should not be allowed to post. PERIOD.

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 10:25 PM

What's interesting is there is a grain of truth to this thread. Al-Queda may well not exist as an organization per se, in the sense of Terror, Inc., with Osama as CEO. But it may very likely be more like McDonalds--franchises all over the world--only tenuously tied to the parent organization. So for all the brouhaha about capturing Osama (at least soon after 11 Sept 2001), capturing him would probably have little effect on Al-Queda--certainly not, as in Bush's fondest dreams, "winning the war" on terror, which by definition will never be won--there will always be terror.

Declaring war on terror, while absurd on its face, is of course eminently useful for the Bush regime, since they can declare any restriction of rights to be "necessary" for the war on terror. From that perspective, they'll be perfectly happy if the "war on terror" goes on forever--which of course it will.

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 10:34 PM

Well, Al Qeada certainly makes fir a great boogie man... and after all, that's all that matters....

Right???

Hey, gotta keep them defense contractors happy somehow.... Hey they spend a lot of money getting folks elected... Don't they deserve a return on their investments???

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 10:49 PM

The only good thing about all this is that, fortunately, the Bush regime will not go on forever. And John McCain, John Edwards, or whoever else wins in 2008 will be vastly different from Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: GUEST,Cansouth
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 11:27 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162476,00.html

July 15, 2005

"Commenting on the possible role of Al Qaeda, Blair said, "Al Qaeda is not an organization. Al Qaeda is a way of working ... but this has the hallmark of that approach."

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jan 06 - 01:22 AM

Ilich Ramírez Sánchez.

Be lotsa places at once. Who's gonna find ya? This guy had most police forces in most countries looking for him. Took one helluva long time to locate him. Fundamental principle of that kind of work.

Will the real Al-Queda please stand up?

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: LadyJean
Date: 14 Jan 06 - 01:44 AM

J. Edgar Hoover insisted that the Mafia didn't exist, until the Appalachin meeting proved him wrong. Of course Mr. Hoover liked to gamble, and I expect he was willing to overlook a few things as long as he could bet on the horses.
He could also grab a lot of publicity capturing holdup men like John Dillinger or Machine Gun Kelly, and they weren't as tough to find or to deal with as organized crime.
The current administration likes to make people take off their boots in airports, and Duck tape their windows. It doesn't cost them much, and it's much simpler than tracking down Bin Laden and his admirers.

Subject: RE: BS: Al-Qaida does not exist
From: GUEST,cansouth
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 04:16 AM

Here is another quote, but you need to be registrated to follow the link:

http://onlineathens.com/stories/103002/new_20021030082.shtml


October 29, 2002
''Al-Qaida is not an organization anymore, it is
a concept,'' said Jordanian political analyst Labib Kamhawi.
''There is a lot of appeal for the concept itself.''»

«''On balance, I would be surprised if there wasn't any
foreign participation,'' he said. ''Al-Qaida does not have
membership cards, and as such, linkages can occur
on many different levels.''