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Subject: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: tarheel Date: 10 Feb 06 - 07:56 PM you may see the cartoons at this link... http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm when finished go to this link to read the whole story of why there is no outrage in our country over the liberal media constantly bashing conservative religious views and anything that you and i believe in the Christain world! www.olivetreeviews.org tar... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Alba Date: 10 Feb 06 - 08:02 PM Thanks Targeel but ...pass. I see the results of the cartoons themselves. I am not a Muslim so my opinion on them would be worthless. Best Wishes Jude |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 10 Feb 06 - 08:09 PM IF it is true as claimed that Muslim newspapers run cartoons lampooning Christians and Jews, et al..... I would like to see them.... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST Date: 10 Feb 06 - 09:08 PM "the whole story of why there is no outrage in our country over the liberal media constantly bashing conservative religious views and anything that you and i believe in the Christain world!" There is definitely outrage! Its expressed differently, thats all. What about taking shots at doctors who perform legal abortions? What about gay bashing? I think thats pretty outrageous. Its just that Muslims prefer to show their anger by protesting. Democracy allows people to peacefully protest, does it not? There has been alot of that but considering the number of people involved, there has been very little violence. Of course, the embassies were burned but how many people actually committed that act? How many people have been attacked? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: pdq Date: 10 Feb 06 - 09:56 PM ...more about images deemed "offensive to Islam" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST Date: 10 Feb 06 - 10:28 PM Every time there is another outrage caused by followers of Allah, and that outrage is prompted by some religious leader, shoot the religious leader. If people had done that from day one, there would be about a dozen Imams left and they'd probably be quite reasonable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: LadyJean Date: 11 Feb 06 - 01:06 AM There is a right way and a wrong way to protest. Picketing, boycotting, letter writing are right ways. Fire bombing, is not. Thank God Al Franken didn't have to go into hiding after he included "Supply Side Jesus" in his book "Lies". Some people have suggested that the cartoons were planted in the Danish paper by American conservatives, to start trouble between Europeans and Muslims. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST Date: 11 Feb 06 - 03:14 AM "...that kind of protesting." I don't believe in fire bombing if thats what you mean. I do believe in the right to peaceful protest. Around the world, most of the protests were large but peaceful. Yes, some of the protestors did commit arson, but not all of the protestors, thats for sure. Considering the number of protestors, the actual damage was small in comparison. ...and yes. When you commission twelve cartoons to be published and then others re-publish them, it is provocative and was meant to cause trouble. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Teribus Date: 11 Feb 06 - 06:11 AM GUEST 11 Feb 06 - 03:14 AM It is nice to know that you believe in the right to peaceful protest. Unfortunately much of the protest being done was far from peaceful, people were killed, criminal damage was done. The protest itself was totally irrational - "Death to Denmark"???? "Death to America"???? "Death to Israel"????. "....and yes. When you commission twelve cartoons to be published and then others re-publish them, it is provocative and was meant to cause trouble." Not at all GUEST I'll tell you what was provocative and what was specifically meant to cause trouble. Laban collecting as much "evidence" as he could in Denmark, then organising it into a dossier that fudged the issue as to what had been been published and what had not, that fudged the issue about what had been commissioned and what had not. Then he goes on a whistle-stop tour of the Muslin world to incite and inflame. That dear GUEST is provocation and intent to cause trouble. Not wishing to state the obvious GUEST: "you commission twelve cartoons to be published and then others re-publish them" At the time the Editor who published the cartoons had absolutely no control over what "others" may, or may not do - Correct? Neither, could you say had Laban, but I would bet that Laban had a pretty shrewd idea of the effect his trip and message would have. No riots or protests of the type Laban's activities stirred up elsewhere occurred in Denmark or in Norway. Now if you are stating that the very core of your religious beliefs have been insulted and defiled, you don't wait four months to voice your sense of indignation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST Date: 11 Feb 06 - 07:51 AM liberal media constantly bashing conservative religious views and anything that you and i believe in the Christain world!" I have no objection to any of your beliefs. I object absolutely when you bring those beliefs out of your home and your church and in to my life and try to impose your idea of morality on me. Freedom for all includes my right not to believe in your beliefs or your practices. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST Date: 11 Feb 06 - 10:18 AM I do believe that the majority of muslims is as peaceful as the majority of christians. And they have a right to protest peacefully against what they feel is blasphemy - just as christians may protest against caricatures critizizing their beliefs. Still there is a big enough group of muslims who are not protesting in a peaceful way - and there are muslim leaders who encourage them (in fact started the troubles). Their protest is against the fact that their prophet is pictured - not against HOW he is pictured. The violence of their protests is proof that the critizism of the Islam shown in the caricatures is based on the reality of that religion. Western civilization has had its long struggle to find the places of the church(es) and the state in society (imperfect as the outcome may look so some people sometimes). Islam, which was more modern than the christian religion at some time in history, is very dogmatic now - like the christian church in the middle ages. Look at the position of the women, for instance. Islam needs the enlightenment christianity had in the times around the french revolution - for the good of the people. And this includes the handling of critizism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Ernest Date: 11 Feb 06 - 10:23 AM Last message was mine - lost cookie temporarily |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: michaelr Date: 11 Feb 06 - 10:50 AM How many threads on this topic do we need? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST Date: 11 Feb 06 - 11:42 AM ONE, and it was posted years ago but still the beat goes on with some of the same posters playing the same rhythm. Nothing new, nothing of any informative use. There is nothing being said here that the Mudcat has not heard before in various formats. So you are correct in your observation Michael. In this reade's opinion anyway. It would be far more balanced if a follower of the Islamic faith posted their views then we would actually have a balanced viewpoint on this topic. There is discussion and then there is Ego tripping. Google, Blue clicks, Web Reference Library information! Anyone who is interested in a subject can obtain this with the click of a keyboard but it does not, by any means, suggest a deep rooted knowledge of anything other than how to use a Computer. How many of the regular Posters on this particular subject have been to the Middle East, Palestine, Israel, Iran and seriously attempted to understand things from that perspective and how many have sat at a Computer fighting a never ending imaginary verbal crusade based on the premise that in some obscure way they have attained an in depth knowledge of the subject matter. Most of these same topic threads appear, to this reader anyway, to be mearly a display in arrogance and ego. BS at is best/worst. Less and less people however are even bothering to open the endless same topic threads. Perhaps a section below the line just for this subject. It certainly could support one and in doing so would stop pushing other Threads off the list on a daily basis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Troll Date: 11 Feb 06 - 12:11 PM The protests are political in nature, not religeous. The cartoons were published in a major Egyptian newspaper four months ago. There were no riots. Then the atomic energy people say that they are going to file a negative report on Iran with the UN Security Council and all hell breaks loose. Why? Because Denmark is the upcoming chair of the UNSC and this could persuade them to vote in favor of Iran for fear of reprisals. That the Prophet must not be represented in art is bull. There is nothing in the Koran to that effect and there are numerous paintings in museums throughout the world containing representations of the Prophet. Many of them are Persian minitures and date back over 1,000 years. Some of them have his face blanked out but most do not. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Bill D Date: 11 Feb 06 - 12:26 PM The direction and scope and vehemence of the protests are irrational.....but the irrationality of the subject of the whole thing is built in to the very culture doing the protesting! You can protest all day that "they shouldn't get so upset and go blaming ALL Danes, and including Americans, etc.." but how is it different from two school boys fighting when one insults the other's Mama? They have created artifical 'rules' intended to exhalt certain cultural concepts and heighten animosities with anyone who breaks those rules....it makes no sense, except by some convoluted,arcane internal system....but deciding it is foolish doesn't make it any safer to flaunt! **When you are dealing with irrational, emotional people, you should EXPECT irrational, emotional behavior** It's like telling a vicious dog he shouldn't bite you! He wants to bite you...for whatever reason. It will take many, many, MANY years of education, soothing, diplomacy (internal & external), economic upheaval and just plain luck, to alter either the attitude of millions of Muslims that 'perceived insults' deserve violent reprisal! This is very little different from attitudes sometimes seen in Christianity by certain people and by individuals in Western society under other circumstances! (When did you last read of some guy in car chasing down someone who raised a middle finger and causing accident, injury or death?) It is just a matter of degree and focus! YOU CANNOT REASON WITH THE UNREASONABLE! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Anonny Mouse Date: 11 Feb 06 - 01:27 PM Saw the cartoons-sadly, you won't get away with whole IDEA of a cartoon (even if positive) if ANY picture of Mohammed is forbidden and blasphemous. Second, again-sadly-this is how much of the "average Joe" perceives Islam, unjustified theologically as it may be. The radical fundamentalists have hijacked at least the IMAGE of Islam, and one can talk all they want about it being a "religion of peace" but televised beheadings, and folks standing around in black masks with AK's and scimitars ain't gonna help your image. Finally, this is much bigger than some Euro paper publishing editorial cartoons (to state the obvious). The timing of all of this righteous fury and violent indignation is to coincidental with the whole Iran nuke bit, Hamas winning the Palestinian elections, perceived (and real) "cracks" in the war in Iraq front, etc. etc. Someone mentioned in another thread on the "coming war in Iran" that what it's gonna take to really get things "going" will be terrorist attacks in Europe on the scale of 9/11. And what did I just hear on MSNBC this fine Saturday morning? A threat (many, actually) during the protests over the cartoons, placarded and yelled: "Europe-your 9/11 is coming!!!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Lonesome EJ Date: 11 Feb 06 - 02:11 PM As some of you may be aware, there is a boycott of Danish products in progress by Saudi Arabia and many other Islamic countries in an attempt to force abridgement of one of the basic rights of a free society. If you believe as I do that the right of free expression is crucial to life in a democracy, I hope you will do as I plan to do and counter this boycott. Buy Danish goods. You can find some of them here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST Date: 11 Feb 06 - 02:40 PM These miserable muslims have been doing nothing but causing trouble for the last few years. I for one would love to see us blow them all to kingdom come. They want to die and meet virgins...let's help them along. Hey Bushman, drop some A-Bombs on these pondscum lowlifes and end the problems once and for all. Remember 9/11!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 11 Feb 06 - 02:59 PM Dear Guest, Just remind them that it it a lie that they will get 72 virgins in paradise. They will get 72 Virginians with baseball bats.. ;-) Yours, Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Once Famous Date: 11 Feb 06 - 09:11 PM Lonesome EJ, I buy an apple danish many mornings on my way to work. We are dealing with a 7th century mentality. It may just be wishful thinking that most Islams are peaceful. There is no proof of that. Zero. Even if 80% were (out of 1 billion) that still leaves 200 million who might be considered not. That's still one heck of an army to fight infidels. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Duane D. Date: 12 Feb 06 - 01:28 AM Guest: We need not go through all that effort and damage to our Earth and environment. Those Muslims CAN'T take a joke. Let's laugh them off the face of the Earth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Hrothgar Date: 12 Feb 06 - 03:47 AM One is reminded of Napoleon, who complained during the Peace of Amiens that he was being wrongly represented by cartoonists in English newspapers. The response of the English leaders was "They treat us even worse!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST Date: 12 Feb 06 - 04:02 AM Reported on the B.B.C. this morning MoD to probe Iraq 'abuse' video The footage shows British soldiers dragging youths and kicking them. A military spokesman in Iraq condemned "all acts of abuse and brutality" by British troops, saying the allegations related to a "tiny number" of soldiers. The Royal Military Police are probing the incident, which the newspaper said happened in southern Iraq in 2004. Alleged abuse On the tape, described as a "secret home video", an unidentified cameraman is heard laughing and urging his colleagues on. It was apparently filmed for fun by a corporal. M.O.D. said it was aware of the allegations. British military spokesman Flight Lieutenant Chris Thomas, based in Basra, said: "We hope that the good relations that the multi-national forces have worked very hard to develop won't be adversely affected by this material." M.O.D.Have satisfied ourselves that this is an absolutely genuine article The tape allegedly shows a disturbance in the street outside what the paper calls a military compound. Soldiers are shown chasing youths involved in the disturbance, dragging four of them into the compound and beating them on various parts of the body with batons and kicking them, one in the genitals. The recording is said to show an attack lasting a minute, with 42 blows counted. A journalist who watched the video said a soldier could also be seen kicking a dead Iraqi in the face. No doubt those found guilty will get off as previous British soldiers have done in the past. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: skarpi Date: 12 Feb 06 - 05:40 AM halló i am just gonna say this I have nothing against Islam faith and I nothing against this people ( most of them ) but if thay kill one Danish man or a woman they atack all the Scandinavian countries included Iceland I am afraid the hate is gonna be a strong weapon here in Northern Atlantic , One upon a time we vikings took our sword and cut down from head and down the body , we might have to go there again , I am not talking for the man who called this over him self he can do that him self , and the muslim should NOT be so angry but this is just becouse some men in Islam ( clerks ) are asking young men to go up against the western people . Well if they wanna war why in earth havent we finish them off? we don´t have to but up with kind of rubbish. In Sweden there are lot people who hate muslims and also in Norway so if one dies I am afraid that the blood will run down the streets of the capitals of Sweden and Norway maybe elsewhere. I am angry but I don´t hate this people and I don´t put every muslim under the same roof , we have to take thouse clerks and wash them off All the best Skarpi Iceland. . |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Mr Happy Date: 13 Feb 06 - 07:47 PM christain?- a new cult?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: woodsie Date: 14 Feb 06 - 12:37 PM Muslims? A bunch of sex starved perverts. Seems the only reason they blow themselves to fuck, is that they hope to meet virgins - fucking wankers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: DougR Date: 14 Feb 06 - 12:38 PM Right, Alba, no point in seeing the cartoons. Watching the revelry of the protestors is enough for you. The American Press, by and large, is a bunch of hypocrites. The mainstream press rants about the freedome of the press, but won't run the cartoons. Were they ridiculing Christians I have no doubt that they would not hesitate to print the cartoons. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Wolfgang Date: 15 Feb 06 - 11:21 AM Foolestroupe: IF it is true as claimed that Muslim newspapers run cartoons lampooning Christians and Jews, et al..... I would like to see them.... :-) click and scroll Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Donuel Date: 15 Feb 06 - 11:39 AM I have been verbally attacked, banned , told to shut the fuck up etc. over my cartoons by the religious right. I even found a failed fire bomb and lighter by our house put there by the teenage son of our good Christian neighbors. They know what they know and thats all they need to know. Zero tolerence is the age we are living in. It is sort of retro dark ages where it is taught that goodness is found in the suppresion of science and progressive thought - which ironicly plays into the hands of Muslim extremeist complaints about the West!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST Date: 15 Feb 06 - 11:41 AM Suck rocks dougie |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: autolycus Date: 16 Feb 06 - 04:57 PM Huamans are a bit the problem, 'cos we all rather go in for eating our cake and having it as well / hypocrisy. The latest Muslim variety hasn't been pointed up. On the one hand, (some?)Muslims are outraged by such as the cartoons as insulting. On the other hand, outrageous, insulting anti-Jewish attacks pour out of the Muslim world. Golden Rule. DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD NOT WANT THEM TO DO UNTO YOU. Quel chutzpah incroyable. Auto. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST,dianavan Date: 16 Feb 06 - 10:01 PM I see that the Muslim cartoonists depict Jewish people but not their God. Maybe thats the difference. What ever happened to diplomacy? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Peace Date: 16 Feb 06 - 10:26 PM "Do unto other as they would do unto you--but, do it first." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Lonesome EJ Date: 16 Feb 06 - 10:36 PM Skarpi I'm sorry to hear all of that anger from you. I know it makes many of us angry to see what is done by the fundamentalist mobs. I hope the Danes, as well as the Swedes, the Norwegians and the Finns will stand strong for their rights, and the rest of us will stand beside them. We have to remember that this is not being done by the common people of these Muslim countries and that they too are victims of this madness. Keep singing and smiling my friend Ernie |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Wolfgang Date: 17 Feb 06 - 05:13 AM I see that the Muslim cartoonists depict Jewish people but not their God. (Dianavan) What's the difference then? The Danish cartoons also didn't depict the Muslim's God. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Feb 06 - 06:39 AM Dianavan, "I see that the Muslim cartoonists depict Jewish people but not their God. Maybe thats the difference." Mohammad was NOT God- No such claim has ever been made, unlike Jesus. The equivilent would be Moses. The Torah would be equiv. to the Koran- and how is it presented in the Arab media??? If you have ever seen the cartoons from the Arab press ( government controlled at the time) just before the 1967 war, IF the present bunch are reason enough to riot and kill, then Israel had every justification to take and keep ALL the territory that it conquered in 1967. Go look at what was printed... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Bunnahabhain Date: 17 Feb 06 - 08:21 AM Dear Guest, Just remind them that it it a lie that they will get 72 virgins in paradise. They will get 72 Virginians with baseball bats.. Well, what I though was the best of the cartoons was the one that had a figure at the gates of Paradise shouting " Stop, we've run out of virgins" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Donuel Date: 17 Feb 06 - 08:36 AM Viscious dogs for the most part are trained that way from puppyhood. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Feb 06 - 11:49 AM "Qureshi said the mosque and his religious school would give $25,000 and a car, while a local jewelers' association would give another $1 million. No representative of the association was available to confirm it had made the offer. "This is a unanimous decision by all imams (prayer leaders) of Islam that whoever insults the prophet deserves to be killed and whoever will take this insulting man to his end, will get this prize," Qureshi said." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060217/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawings |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: freda underhill Date: 17 Feb 06 - 12:28 PM what we need is a muslim Dave Allen.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: jacqui.c Date: 17 Feb 06 - 02:11 PM He'd end up with more than one finger chopped off Freda! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST Date: 17 Feb 06 - 04:44 PM Again, you display total ignorance. Mohammad is not an Islamic God. Muslims believe he was a prophet. The most significant Jewish prophet was Moses. You know, the guy who received the 10 Commandments. The guy that had a whole cartoon move made about him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah2 Date: 17 Feb 06 - 05:05 PM Regardless of the quality of the cartoons - (they are routinely dismissed as 'offensive' but if you look at them closely they clearly attack extremism and not Islam in general - or is that an oxymoron?) the cartoonists have done us a great service. They have lifted the lid on the medieval state of mind of most Muslims not domiciled in the west, and have made it possible for liberal, tolerant people (of whom I am one) to argue that Islam IS a special problem - something that only could be done before if one was brave enough to ignore accusations of racism. CarolC on this forum, for example, was convinced that anyone whith a deep suspicion of modern Islam was a 'bigot' - but this is no longer sustainable (if it ever was) after this absurd hysteria over a few cartoons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST,dianavan Date: 17 Feb 06 - 09:20 PM Wolfgang - You are absolutely right. I don't know what I was thinking! I still do not think we can judge the Muslim world by our standards. Its an entirely different culture with their own values. Its like trying to bring democracy to the middle east. Why? Its not a concept that they are familiar with. Most Muslims have only known dictorships and theocracies. If people are ruled by a theocracy, of course they will be sensitive to insults to their religion. Its a way of life for them. I just don't think that you can expect others to behave the same way as you do. Democracy and Theocracy are not the same at all. Jews are not Muslims and Muslims are not Danes. Doesn't anyone get this? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Once Famous Date: 17 Feb 06 - 09:49 PM An you are not too bright, Dvan |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 18 Feb 06 - 10:41 AM I was reading a mystery the other day, and the protagonist made an interesting comment. "Most angry behavior is rooted in fear." Thinking over my own life, I had to agree. Now apply this to Muslims. Let me list some of the shocks of recent years: the tsunamis, the terrible earthquake in Pakistan, the Desert Storm war, the Desert Shield war, Hussein's genocide towards the Kurds, the war in Lebanon, the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq. Add to that a population, many of whom face the stressors of not enough food, not enough water, no medical care, and a culture which denies people the economic and scientific paths to solving these problems. Is it any surprise that, when faced with the news that somebody is deliberately trying to get Allah's goat, that these people respond with anger rooted in fear? I think it's time to do some thinking about everything these people are going through. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST,dianavan Date: 18 Feb 06 - 12:12 PM Yes, leenia, it is time we stopped tormenting these people and started to give them the help they need. Instead we give them famine and war. Unfortunately, when American tax dollars are thrown at no-bid contracts to help with reconstruction, that money is lost to graft and corruption. Nobody is giving the Muslim people of the Middle East any meaningful help. You are right. The Muslim world of the Middle East has been victimized for so long, the can only react in anger to insults their faith. It is the one thing that they cling to during this time of crisis. Its time to stop blaming the victims. I'm sure they would be much happier if the U.S. and its allies would leave the Middle East entirely and let them sort out their own affairs. They have had enough of U.S. 'help'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: DougR Date: 18 Feb 06 - 06:27 PM Can't leave the Middle East to it's own devices until we divorce ourselves from oil, Dianavan. We must have the oil. When we do, the Middle East can do as it wishes. Oh, and by the way, the Middle East NEEDS the U. S. and it's allies. Otherwise who would buy their oil? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Once Famous Date: 18 Feb 06 - 08:45 PM We give the middle east plenty of money. That's finally going to stop, thankfully. We are not going to give money to Hamas. Poor little Muslim people. Sorry, hard to feel sorry for people who have hardly progressed out of a 7th centruy mentality. When they are ready to become part of the world of modern mankind and contribute something besides oil, that's a different story. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Cluin Date: 18 Feb 06 - 10:56 PM You don't seriously think the average citizens of the Mid-East are seeing the money from the oil the USA buys, do you? Because the USA imports more oil from Canada than it does the whole Middle East and I can tell you I haven't gotten a checque yet. No matter where you get your oil, the money goes to the huge multi-national corporations who drill for it and charge everybody, even the people in the country it originates from, the same price for the resource. It doesn't trickle down. There is a huge class system in the Middle East, the very rich elite, and a lot of poverty and ignorance thrown into the mix. You're right; it IS a 7th century feudal-type of social system. All the poor have got that's THEIRS is their religion. Unfortunately, there are a lot of hate-mongers in it, carving out their own little niche and exploiting anti-western prejudice. And it's becoming more rampant. The Iraq invasion didn't help matters in any way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: autolycus Date: 19 Feb 06 - 01:15 PM Dianavan, Minor point. The Jewish God does get depicted in cartoons (See, for example, the splendid "My God" by the late Mel Calman). Bigger point. I think you've got something when you say we in the West shouldn't judge Muslims by our standards. It's just that if that is the way to go then I object strongly to Muslims judging us by their standards; which what their violent tactics amount to. Related point. There are,I gather, any number of things that non-Muslims must abide by in a Muslim country. Fine, obviously, it's their country. Yet when Muslims are expected by the laws and customs of the West when Muslims come to live in the West, some (many?) object with more than vehemence. Auto/Ivor |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST,12stringstan Date: 19 Feb 06 - 03:51 PM Just had to have my 2cents worth here. now, ***I AM NOT RACIST***. I say that clearly so i will not be accused of it. This whole issue, as with many others, is a product of political correctness gone too far, when one group of people can get up on a high horse, knowing "society" will have to look favourably on their plight. Look at the facts. THEY ARE F***ING CARTOON'S. A lighthearted representation of an issue. GET A LIFE. During the protests in London, footage on the BBC showed muslims with placquards proclaiming "be-head those who insult Islam" I'd love to have joined the protest holding a placquard stating "Deport those who insult the Western World" About time people stopped shuffling around in case they tread on somebody's toes. Now I'll go in peace. 12Ss |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST,dianavan Date: 19 Feb 06 - 07:07 PM I totally agree that Muslims who live in the western world must accept western culture. That is not to say that they must give up their own culture (and religion) but that they must tolerate that which may not have been tolerated at home. I think we must also agree to stop imposing our way of life on Muslims living in the Middle East. That includes any variation of so-called democracy. Its their country. It will evolve as it should. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Big Phil Date: 19 Feb 06 - 09:03 PM GUEST12stringstan, If you had had the placard about deporting our muslim friends, you would have been arrested, aka the guy in the van who just stopped to complain, the copper couldn't wait to wade in and threaten him with arrest if he did not move on....This is what gets to the ordinary man on the street,there is a one law for US, no law for THEM mentality. Still we live in a multicultural society now, so we are told, will just have to get used to it I suppose............ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Wolfgang Date: 02 Mar 06 - 06:35 AM Facing the new totalitarianism (Manifest signed by Salman Rushdie et al.) ...the world now faces a new totalitarian global threat: Islamism....a global struggle that confronts democrats and theocrats....We refuse to renounce our critical spirit out of fear of being accused of "Islamophobia", an unfortunate concept which confuses criticism of Islam as a religion with stigmatisation of its believers. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 02 Mar 06 - 07:29 PM Wolfgang Thanks for your link. That answers one part of my question. Now can anybody find such similar type cartoons about any other group? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: GUEST,Wolfgang momentarily without cookie Date: 09 Sep 10 - 02:54 PM A follow up: From Pariah to Guest of Honor in Five Short Years (a commentary from DER SPIEGEL) Chancellor Merkel was on hand on Wednesday night to honor Muhammad caricaturist Kurt Westergaard for his contributions to free speech rights. Yet just a few short years ago, he was a pariah in the West for having offended Islam. What happened? Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: dick greenhaus Date: 09 Sep 10 - 06:50 PM Wolfgang- This year it seems to be OK to hate Muslims. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons... From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 10 Sep 10 - 04:30 AM Foolestroupe, "Thanks for your link. That answers one part of my question. Now can anybody find such similar type cartoons about any other group? " http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/here-are-some-really-really-offensive-muslim-cartoons/ |
