BS: The Muslim Cartoons...

Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons...
From: Cluin
Date: 18 Feb 06 - 10:56 PM

You don't seriously think the average citizens of the Mid-East are seeing the money from the oil the USA buys, do you?

Because the USA imports more oil from Canada than it does the whole Middle East and I can tell you I haven't gotten a checque yet.

No matter where you get your oil, the money goes to the huge multi-national corporations who drill for it and charge everybody, even the people in the country it originates from, the same price for the resource. It doesn't trickle down.

There is a huge class system in the Middle East, the very rich elite, and a lot of poverty and ignorance thrown into the mix. You're right; it IS a 7th century feudal-type of social system. All the poor have got that's THEIRS is their religion. Unfortunately, there are a lot of hate-mongers in it, carving out their own little niche and exploiting anti-western prejudice. And it's becoming more rampant. The Iraq invasion didn't help matters in any way.

Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons...
From: autolycus
Date: 19 Feb 06 - 01:15 PM

Dianavan,

Minor point. The Jewish God does get depicted in cartoons (See, for example, the splendid "My God" by the late Mel Calman).

Bigger point. I think you've got something when you say we in the West shouldn't judge Muslims by our standards.
It's just that if that is the way to go then I object strongly to Muslims judging us by their standards; which what their violent tactics amount to.

Related point. There are,I gather, any number of things that non-Muslims must abide by in a Muslim country. Fine, obviously, it's their country. Yet when Muslims are expected by the laws and customs of the West when Muslims come to live in the West, some (many?) object with more than vehemence.

Auto/Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons...
From: GUEST,12stringstan
Date: 19 Feb 06 - 03:51 PM

Just had to have my 2cents worth here. now, ***I AM NOT RACIST***. I say that clearly so i will not be accused of it. This whole issue, as with many others, is a product of political correctness gone too far, when one group of people can get up on a high horse, knowing "society" will have to look favourably on their plight. Look at the facts. THEY ARE F***ING CARTOON'S. A lighthearted representation of an issue. GET A LIFE. During the protests in London, footage on the BBC showed muslims with placquards proclaiming "be-head those who insult Islam" I'd love to have joined the protest holding a placquard stating "Deport those who insult the Western World"
About time people stopped shuffling around in case they tread on somebody's toes.

Now I'll go in peace.
12Ss

Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons...
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 19 Feb 06 - 07:07 PM

I totally agree that Muslims who live in the western world must accept western culture. That is not to say that they must give up their own culture (and religion) but that they must tolerate that which may not have been tolerated at home.

I think we must also agree to stop imposing our way of life on Muslims living in the Middle East. That includes any variation of so-called democracy. Its their country. It will evolve as it should.

Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons...
From: Big Phil
Date: 19 Feb 06 - 09:03 PM

GUEST12stringstan, If you had had the placard about deporting our muslim friends, you would have been arrested, aka the guy in the van who just stopped to complain, the copper couldn't wait to wade in and threaten him with arrest if he did not move on....This is what gets to the ordinary man on the street,there is a one law for US, no law for THEM mentality. Still we live in a multicultural society now, so we are told, will just have to get used to it I suppose............

Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons...
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 06:35 AM

Facing the new totalitarianism

(Manifest signed by Salman Rushdie et al.)

...the world now faces a new totalitarian global threat: Islamism....a global struggle that confronts democrats and theocrats....We refuse to renounce our critical spirit out of fear of being accused of "Islamophobia", an unfortunate concept which confuses criticism of Islam as a religion with stigmatisation of its believers.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons...
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 07:29 PM

Wolfgang

Thanks for your link. That answers one part of my question. Now can anybody find such similar type cartoons about any other group?

Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons...
From: GUEST,Wolfgang momentarily without cookie
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 02:54 PM

A follow up:

From Pariah to Guest of Honor in Five Short Years (a commentary from DER SPIEGEL)

Chancellor Merkel was on hand on Wednesday night to honor Muhammad caricaturist Kurt Westergaard for his contributions to free speech rights. Yet just a few short years ago, he was a pariah in the West for having offended Islam. What happened?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 06:50 PM

Wolfgang-
This year it seems to be OK to hate Muslims.

Subject: RE: BS: The Muslim Cartoons...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 04:30 AM

Foolestroupe,
"Thanks for your link. That answers one part of my question. Now can anybody find such similar type cartoons about any other group? "

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/here-are-some-really-really-offensive-muslim-cartoons/