BS: Sorch Needs MudPower

Subject: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:38 PM

NOT BS...and for some of you it may seem fataecious...but my Annie dog is VERY ill....high blood sugar, elevated liver and kidney enzymes, super high white count....vet has no idea, thinks several things are wrong. I think it almost has to be poison of some sort....thoughts for Annie, please? Even if some of you think it's silly.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:42 PM

Quick- tell us what she looks like. {{{{hug}}}}}

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: number 6
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:46 PM

Not silly at all Sorcha ... hang in there with her.

sIx

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From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:50 PM

So it wasn't just a passing thing the other day?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: LilyFestre
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:54 PM

Awww Sorch,

   I'm sorry to hear about your Annie. :( There's nothing to do or say except that you and Annie are in my thoughts. I was standing in your shoes last month...it's absolutely heartbreaking. Is she at the vet's? Can you go visit to spend some time with her? My vet allowed me to do that and he also let me feed her (with a giant needle-less syringe as she wasn't eating on her own).

Lots of love and hugs for you and Annie.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:56 PM

Your love is a potent medicine Sorch.
I spent a quarter hour on this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:05 PM

She is a light sable (red and white with black overlay) Pembroke Corgi. No tail, fox face.....and her 'daddy' is in tears over this....only the 2nd time I've ever seen him cry.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Joybell
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:06 PM

Sorcha, you and Annie are in my thoughts too. Love Joy

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Alba
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:12 PM

Och Sorcha..poor wee Annie.
There is nothing silly about asking for good thoughts at all.
Holding Annie and you and her Dad in my thoughts.
Light and Love and {{{{{HUGS}}}}}}
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:13 PM

very sad, I will hum the John denver song and think comforting thoughts

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:16 PM

Love and hugs for you and "dad" plus LOTS of healing thoughts and energy for your dear Annie. (One of my sisters has a westie by that name.)

Keep us posted as you are able, darlin'...

luvyakat

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:18 PM

Ta muchly. We went to see her this eve...seemed a tad perkier than on Sat AM when I took her in.....

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:24 PM

Yo, Annie,

Hey girl... Feeling kinda puny???... Yer Uncle Bobert has put out a special Annie prayer fir ya and you just gotta hang in there until it get answered...

And, BTW, you got yer mom worried sick... Like I said, Annie girl, just hang in there... Help is on the way!!!

(((((((((((((prayers)))))))))))))))

(((((((((((((Hugs to you and mom))))))))))))))))))

((((((((((((hang in there, girl)))))))))))))))

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:28 PM

She is on IV fluids, at the vets...and we did go and see her tonight. Seemed a tad bit perkier than on Sat when I took her in...was glad to see us.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: LilyFestre
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:35 PM

That "I'm happy to see you, Mom" look is worth everything.

It sounds like you are very loved Little Miss Annie...so hurry up and go home soon!

Michelle

PS. Bobert, I think that's the best post I've ever seen you write.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: wysiwyg
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:38 PM

Gotcha, bes/bud.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SunnySister
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:59 PM

Hi Sorcha,

I am glad you sent a call out for good thoughts for Annie. Mine are being sent to her, you and her vet.

I've been thinking of what you said about her symptoms. It does sound like poisoning of some sort. Sometimes, when a dog has a flea bath and the flea killing stuff isn't duluted, this could hurt a dogs liver and kidneys, especially if the dog has a sensitive system due to age, etc.

My hope, since you've shared that she's doing better, is that it was something mild that she can get over. The IV will help dulute the gunk and help the liver and take stress off the liver and kidneys.

Since you aren't quite sure what she might have gotten into, I would ask that you do a good look around in your house, the garage, and front and back yards (trash area too) for anything that might still be lingering- I would hate for her to get better and go back to that horrible stuff.

Sending my best- OXOXOX
--SunnySister

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 09:30 PM

Well,Sister I thank you for that...we are almost SURE it is poison of some type....but the weird thing is that the other 2 dogs are fine.....she can't get into the garbage, or anything else. Almost down to somebody tossing something over the fence....and it seems they 'can't do' a tox screen on a dog.....labs are backed up with human stuff. NO flea bath, flea collar, etc...I won't DO flea collars. No bath for at least 6 mos....

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 09:51 PM

Sorch try not to sap your strength with thoughts of evil doers.
Sometimes a simple fungus is to blame.
Nowadays antobiotics are accompagnied with anti fungals - just in case.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Janie
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 10:06 PM

Come on sweet Annie, we got good energy and prayers going up from all over the place. The folks you love, love you too. Get better and go home to 'em.

(((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))) for all the two leggeds and all the four leggeds at your place, Sorcha.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SunnySister
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 10:12 PM

Hi again Sorch,

I've actually tried to do some research on the web with what you've mentioned: high blood sugar, elevated liver and kidney enzymes, super high white count and have seen a few things but nothing that I could pinpoint that you should look at- one did mention that acorns from Oak trees can make a dog sick- very sick but the article mentioned other symptoms as well.

I wish I knew more about medicine and healing-its so frustrating at times like these, isn't it?

Please keep us informed on how Annie's doing. I am sending positive thoughts that she will be fast on the mend and will never have to deal with this illness again, whatever it is.

Continuing to send my best,
-- SunnySister, who loves, loves, loves Corgi's

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 10:12 PM

Lots of good wishes for Annie from here Sorcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: open mike
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 10:45 PM

(((sorcha)))
(((Annie)))
((("dad")))
(((vet)))
I know she is a member of your family,
Sorch, and I remembver recently meeting
Mudlark's Corgi's and it is easy to see
how dear they are!

I hope the best outcome for all of you,
and give her a little pat on the head for me.

Laurel

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Kaleea
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 11:01 PM

I am visualizing that Annie is happy, healthy, & filled with love for Mommy & Daddy & is home soon!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 11:03 PM

Sister, I have a tiny oak tree in the back yard...no acorns yet....and it's covered with 15" of snow....going to look to see what acorns might have in them that something else might....thanks! Have the ER number now for the Colorado State Uni...which I will call in AM....after I talk to vet.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SunnySister
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 11:35 PM

Hi again Sorcha,

Here is the link to the article/newletter that had the information about acorns in it:

http://www.tailwagginsbakery.com/newsletter.htm

If the link I just tried doesn't work, here it is just pasted:

http://www.tailwagginsbakery.com/newsletter.htm

It's a little down on the page...

It might be a long shot but it's something that did come up when I put in those symtoms.

Sending my best and hoping she is getting better regardless of the initial cause (although it's so much better to know the "why" of these things).

--SunnySister

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: GUEST,Molly The Cat
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 11:36 PM

I'm pulling for you Annie!

Hang in there, Sorcha!



Meow,

Molly

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Bert
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 11:38 PM

Mud, Mud, Glorious Mudpower on it's way.

Love from Tree & Bert

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 12:31 AM

Just found out my husband has been feeding her peanuts and rasins...NOT good. Damn man..maybe NOW he will listen to me...thanks all!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 01:01 AM

Ah! The Peanuts! There's a nasty little fungus which hangs around them that can be very toxic!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: MBSLynne
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 02:32 AM

Thoughts and hugs Sorch

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: suzi
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 02:36 AM

Good thoughts coming from me, to you both Sorcha and Annie..

Suzi....x

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Partridge
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 04:06 AM

positive thoughts and lots of love

Pat xx

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Col K
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 04:10 AM

Positive thoughts coming from me in New Zealand as well.
All the best, hope Annie gets better,
Love
Col

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 05:27 AM

The most common toxic substance my vet references cite that appears to be likely to cause all the symptoms described is common automotive antifreeze (ethylene glycol). Some dogs, especially small ones, may be sufficiently sensitive to be affected just from licking the shoes of someone who's walked through a spill, especially if there's repeated exposure. Dogs and cats both seem to be attracted to the "sweet" taste, and may seek it out once they've found a spill. Since with small doses, the onset of symptoms may take a fairly long time, there often is the opportunity for repeated ingestion before severe symptoms are noticed.

There appears to be no definitive way to determine that this might be the toxicant however, unless you actually know that the animal has been into some of it, or has at least had access to some. Many other things only slightly less common can cause very similar symptoms.

For the most part, so far as the treatment is concerned, it probably doesn't matter a lot what the specific source was, since the recommended handling does not vary for the various possible toxic agents. There are no treatments specific to most of the various different toxins that can produce the reactions you described. From your description, I think you can be assured that your vet is doing the right things.

While there are "contaminants," mainly fungal, that could cause peanuts and/or raisins to harm a dog, the same contaminants could cause serious effects for humans, so they're generally guarded against in any commercial products intended for human consumption. They would hence be unlikely to present to be harmful to a dog. There's a slight possibility they might appear in locally produced or home grown products, but the emphasis would be on the slight. The exception would be if there were chocolate covered peanuts or raisins in the mix. Extremely small amounts of chocolate can be very toxic to dogs, with some breeds known to be much more sensitive than others. Chocolate, even in a sensitive dog, is unlikely to produce all of the symptoms you listed, so probably is not a source here.

The same chemical group that causes chocolate to be harmful to dogs is found in some teas and in a few herbals, including wild plants, that might be fairly common, but are rather unlikely to be ingested by most household animals. And again, it might cause some of the symptoms; but wouldn't match up to the full set.

In short, unless you can find something that this particular pet has been getting into that the others haven't, it's unlikely that you'll ever know the specific source of the problem. When Annie is better, your vet may be able to suggest some things to look for; but it's likely to be a matter of eliminating things that could have been responsible rather than just getting rid of one thing that did it.

Hope and love seem to be the only things that we can offer that are specific to the problem at hand, in addition to the help (and probably a bit of hope and love) being provided by your vet.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Morticia
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 05:34 AM

thoughts and hugs in abundance here, Sorch.........hang on in there, all of you!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: gnu
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 05:38 AM

Thoughts and prayers, Sorcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:12 AM

I would suspect ethylene glycol too, Sorch.
Poor Annie. Poor Sorch.
Candles lit for both of you.
SINS

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: kendall
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:51 AM

She's in good hands, so about all you can do is hope. I hope hubby hasn't fed her chocolate?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 10:40 AM

Antifreeze - nasty stuff, because unlike the run of poisons it actually has a pleasant sweet taste. There was a big scandal a few years back in Eutope about rogue wine manufacturers using it to make really rough wine taste more palatable, and poisoning people in the process.

Best wishes to Annie.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: leftydee
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 10:49 AM

Has the vet checked for insect bites? I had a very sick dog two years ago that was spider bitten. Hang in there, Kiddo!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 11:09 AM

Already thought of antifreeze....I don't see how, unless Mr tracked it in on his boots. She is 'perkier' this AM, but NOW has bloody dihrea (sp). NOTHING in there! At least she has stopped vomiting, or trying to.....going to run another blood sugar test this AM....thanks, guys!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: RichM
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 11:21 AM

Pets are members of your family. So of course you are upset.
Prayers and positive thoughts for Annie's full recovery.


Rich

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: gnu
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 01:25 PM

That's two "perkiers". Hope they keep coming.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Little Robyn
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 02:14 PM

We lost both a dog and a cat to kidney failure, with similar symptoms, and the vet suggested anti-freeze was responsible but there isn't any around here.
Then I found similar problems could come from lily poisoning. And we did have 2 different lilies growing in the garden. Even in a vase, if puss brushes against it, gets pollen on her coat, then licks it off - that can be enough to kill her, which it did.
So I wish you well, but get rid of any lilies - kidney failure is a horrible way to go and very distressing for the family.
Robyn

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Megan L
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 02:33 PM

hugs and prayers friend

peanuts well i never iv'e eaten them by the barrel and they have never done me any harm im perfectly normallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 08:42 PM

Positive vibrations from Pittsburgh!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 08:43 PM

Took her to another clinic today, one the breeder reccomended. I think we bingoed it...pancreatitis.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SunnySister
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:23 PM

Sorcha,

Thanks for letting us know. I had thought about pancreatitis although it's so hard to actually diagnose.

If that's it's that and you've found a good clinic, hang in there. It can be pretty serious (as you already know) and sometimes it can be the beginnings of chronic pancreatitis.

Here's a pretty good site with vet information- most of the general information is in the middle area:

http://www.vetinfo.com/dpancrea.html


You all have been on my mind today as I had my graduate advisor get "The Call" from the vet while I was being advised on the phone. We quickly rescheduled and I thought about Annie, you and your husband and all of us who love our furry babies so much and understand that this is part of the commitment we make together.

Sending my best and thank you for keeping us informed,
--SunnySister

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:34 PM

Good girl, Annie...

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: GUEST,KT
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:44 PM

Sending lots of healing thoughts and love to you and your pup.....KT

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: JudyB
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:50 PM

Thoughts and good wishes headed your way!

Hugs,
JudyB

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: bobad
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 10:01 PM

I had a dog which had a severe case of acute pancreatitis (rapidly diagnosed by elevated amylase level BTW) and he made a quick and complete recovery and lived many more happy years. Good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 11:31 PM

And, thanks again for all the support!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: GUEST,Shanghaiceltic
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 02:30 AM

Hi Sorcha, best of wishes to the hound, hope she makes a good recovery.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: fiddler
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 04:12 AM

On the mend now I hope Sorch.

((Andy))

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: pixieofdoom
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 05:45 AM

Best wishes for her speedy recovery Sorch *hugs*

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Essex Girl
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 08:54 AM

Hang in there Sorcha,best wishes for a complete recovery

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 09:10 AM

Sorch,
I had a nasty old cat named Fred who was banned from two vets' offices. Big RED NASTY!!! on his chart. He ate some rope (don't ask) and tore up his intestines. His liver started to fail. After surgery, hours after surgery, they told me to come and get him - he was upsetting the other patients.
For a week I forced a malt paste down his throat and some water with a syringe. I bled. I cried. And I finally looked at him and said "Tomorrow, we end this". The old bastard stood up, went to the kitchen and ate. He pooped the next day and recovered.
You have my sympathy.
SINS

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 12:17 PM

We almost killed a poodle by stupidly feeding her cucumbers.

IT was a near fatal digestive tract disaster.

I also heard chocolate is not good for dogs but dogs don't seem to thinks so :)

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 12:48 PM

Yes....LOTS of human food isn't good for dogs..onion, cukes, grapes/rasins, peanuts, peanut oil, canola oil, CHOCOLATE!!, this list is long...

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 01:29 PM

Just heard from the vet...she is a little better today, and yes, it IS pancreatitis.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: gnu
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 01:32 PM

And, the prognosis is???????????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 02:49 PM

Only the gods know for sure.....IV fluids, anti nausea and antibiotics is about all that can be done.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: LilyFestre
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 03:19 PM

Got you and Annie on my mind today.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Hollowfox
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 07:39 PM

$#@! (That'll teach me not to lurk around here a bit more.) Well, I've got a nice purebred Midwest %$#@-reduction candle lined up for you lot when I get home from work tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 07:29 AM

I was chatting to a lady friend today who has had similar symptoms on occasions - she mentioned that an aunt had died from pancreatic cancer. She agreed that she should see a doctor soon - she had been trying to claim that these little bouts of sickness for a few days were 'nothing really'.

When I mentioned to her about seeing the symptom on a thread about a dog - well, she was very nice and all, but...

I'm not making this up you know!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 07:27 PM

For those of you who don't 'chat', Annies blood levels are going down slowly, and vet wants to send her home on Sat to see if she will eat here...she won't eat in hospital, not even for me.

If she doesn't eat at home she has to go back on Mon.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SunnySister
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 07:38 PM

Hi Sorcha,

I'm am going to think positive and believe that that's good news although not the best (good that her levels are coming down, but I know it must be frustrating about her not eating).

I am continuing to check this site for updates and appreciate your checking in with us. Please tell Annie that now is not the time to watch her girlish figure. I know also that the vet must have her on dietary restrictions which she might not like either- I am just hoping that she will let down her guard and be so happy to be home that she'll be happy to eat anything.

Continuing to send healing positive thoughts,
-- SunnySister

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 07:49 PM

Actually, the only dietary restriction is low fat....and of course, non toxic stuff.....Mr MUST stop feeding her chips/crisps, buttered popcorn, etc.....or he will kill her. I think I have gotten thru to him about this....just hope I'm not boring people.....

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Bert
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 08:00 PM

If she's not eating then add a little glucose (or fructose) to her drinking water. It may give her enough energy to get her appetite back.

You can often buy glucose at an (East) Indian Grocery Store.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Alba
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 08:43 PM

"....just hope I'm not boring people..... "

Well Sorcha you most certainly are not boring me.
I am holding wee Annie in my thoughts here in Maine.
I love my Animals and I cannot bear the thought of any of them being sick or in pain.
I will be looking in for any updates if you have time to post.
{{{hugs}}} to Annie and to you Sorcha.
Love and Light
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: LilyFestre
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 09:52 PM

Hey Sorcha,

    Ask the vet for a large syringe minus the needle. Get yourself some baby food and gently use that to get the food back further into her mouth so she swallows (natural reflex). Do just a little at a time...we had to do this with my cat.

   Another trick we have used when we have sick dogs who aren't interested in food is to use peanut butter. Sometimes we put it on a cracker and they just lick it off...I know PB is high in fat but you can buy lower fat PB...high nutrition in small amounts. Another thing we do is to warm gravy , pour it over dry food and let it sit for a minute or so....so the gravy has some time to soak in a bit but still wet enough that the dog can lick just the gravy if she isn't interested in the softer food. Save the syringe for a last resort...you can be gentle with it but it still will make your pet anxious.

   I hope that might help. Love to you and Annie.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Bert
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 10:18 PM

Don't be silly Garg ol' buddy.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 10:19 PM

Yo Annie,

Okay, you've had yer fun with us and now it's time to eat... Sorry, no more people food 'cause it ain't really good fir ya but, hey, it ain't all that good fir us either, come to think of it...

Now, remember I told you that I know this feller who can make goggies well? Well, I been talkin' to Him and he says He wants you to eat yer food... No, there won't be no popcorn so might as well eat what yer mom is telling you to eat... Heck, I had to do it as a kid an' it ain't all that bad...

But, Annie, I belive that we can all get you feeling perky again but yer gonna have to eat... Okay???

Give yer mom a ((((big lick)))) fir me, will ya??

Uncle Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 10:27 PM

Re: Bert's suggestion-- a half-dead, half-frozen kitten was warmed and she revived. The vet added her favorite trick-- a dollop of Karo syrup. BINGO!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 01:11 AM

Folks, I hate to tell you this, but baby food often has onion powder in it...toxic to dogs. Peanuts therefore peanut butter and oil are also toxic....So is liver in large amts...esp if the liver enzymes are eleveted...glucose is right out because her blood sugar is already elvated....Trust me, I've done my homework on this one.

What she needs is to eat (appetite stimulant) and a long term low fat diet. But right now, ANY food she will take by mouth would be acceptable.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 01:18 AM

Here is an (I'm sure partial) list of human foods that are toxic to dogs...there are many, many more plants that make this list...indoor, outdoor, cutlvated, wild, etc....this is just some.

Pear pips, the kernels of plums, peaches and apricots, apple core pips (contain cyanogenic glycosides resulting in cyanide poisoning)
Potato peelings and green looking potatoes
Rhubarb leaves
Mouldy/spoiled foods
Alcohol
Yeast dough
Coffee grounds, beans & tea (caffeine)
Hops (used in home brewing)
Tomato leaves & stems (green parts)
Broccoli (in large amounts)
Raisins and grapes
Cigarettes, tobacco, cigars
Onion, garlic, all alliums
Chocolate
Peanuts, macadamia nuts
Mushrooms
Raw salmon
Cat food
Citrus oil and citrus fruit
Persimmons
Raw potato in large amounts

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 01:36 AM

Hope the pup gets better soon, Sorch

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Phot
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 04:56 AM

Lots of good thoughts and wishes from out here Sorch, lots of love and attention work wonders. Take care of you too.

Wassail!! Chris

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: LilyFestre
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 05:37 AM

Sorch...just passing on what my vet does and we have had good results with. If you look at the ingredients on baby food, you will find that several add nothing. In addition, you can make your own....puree some meat with a little added water and bingo...you're good to go.   PB is only ever given in small doses so it isn't a concern....it does, however, contain sugar and if you are having to maintain really strict dietary rules in that department, skip the PB.

Does your vet think she is diabetic or the sugar is elevated just now due to being sick or meds she is on?

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 06:40 AM

Hi Sorch...

pals dog got poisoned accidentally by rat poison the other day. That was very touch and go, but she made it. Similar symptoms, it was a warfarin type poison.

You don't have any pills/tablets about the place would you, or may be lillies (they are highly toxic). As are a lot of house plants, also in the garden there's lots to look out for, especially types of Euphorbias

As for food, over here they usually recommend, plain boiled chicken and plain boiled rice for starters.

Good luck

E>W>I>S

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 11:00 AM

Thanks, Lily and Sooze...but it's not poison....NO lilies, no tabs, no rat poison...I make sure of that. It's really pancreatitis...vet doesn't thing she is really diabetic...yet....it's due to the pancreas kicking up. If we get this cleaned up fast enough, she may not get diabetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Janie
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 11:32 AM

Is she eating yet?

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 11:36 AM

All my life I had heard that salmon was oxic to dogs - it even had its own cognomen "salmon poisoning".

But in Alaska many a dog team lives entirely on salmon, raw, frozen, dried or in soups, makes no never mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 12:42 PM

No....not eating, and worse again this morning...vomiting again, back on the Reglan, kidney level won't come down (BUN is 82, for those who know) and white count is back up to 25,000. They are going to try to get some nutrients into her blood from an IV....nobody knows why she isn't responding to the drugs......we are basket cases here.



PS...the sewer backed up this morning too...can't get hold of a plumber....

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Janie
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 12:45 PM

Won't help the plumbing problem, and maybe not the dog, but here is another (((((((((((((((((((((((((HUG)))))))))))))))))))))))!

Come on Annie girl, we'll pull with you!

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: gnu
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 02:38 PM

Aw gee, Sorcha. My heart goes out to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Naemanson
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 06:47 PM

Sorch, family members come in all sizes, shapes and colors and we all feel bad when they are ill. I hope Annie is feeling better.

Note: This message closes the loop because it is coming from Guam. You now have good wishes coming from all around the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 09:21 PM

Thanks Naem....new x rays show nothing, but he did get her started on a nutrient/protien IV.....she's still fighting...

And the plumpber came, saw an conquered...lilac roots again....

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 09:32 PM

Sorcha, we truly do feel for you and for Annie. Tell her that we're all pulling for her.

I hope she turns the corner very soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: JudyB
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 09:43 PM

Healing thoughts still headed your way. Our fuzzies are a bit more feline, but similarly an important part of the family.

Hugs,
JudyB

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: JennyO
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 10:00 PM

Healing vibes and hugs coming for both of you from sunny Oz!

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Sorch & Annie}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Bassic
Date: 25 Feb 06 - 11:23 AM

Sorry to catch on to this so late Sorcha, keeping everything crossed for you all. G

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: GUEST,Ella who is sooze sans cookie
Date: 25 Feb 06 - 06:20 PM

Hi Sorch...

hope you are having a good/better weekend and things are going ok with the woofa. fingers crossed. All the best from a cold and frost and windy south wales.
x

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Feb 06 - 06:51 PM

No Anniegram yet today..prob won't get one....but I guess no news is 'good' news....they'd call if there were a crisis.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SunnySister
Date: 25 Feb 06 - 10:49 PM

Hi there Sorcha- I thought you were going to be bringing her home today??? Did they say she was eating then? I hope so!

Thank you for sending us all updates. Even though I am working on papers for school, I check in to see how all of you are.

Continuing to send my best,
-- SunnySister

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 05:01 PM

It's over. When I can, I'll tell. Right now, don't ask and don't expect responses to PMs. Thanks for trying.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 05:02 PM

Sorry, Sorcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SunnySister
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 05:17 PM

Oh my dear, I am so very, very sorry.

You and your husband are in my thoughts.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Alba
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 05:31 PM

(((((hugs))))
Love
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Naemanson
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 05:59 PM

I am so sorry to hear this. You are in my thoughts.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: LilyFestre
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 06:21 PM

(((((((((Love and Hugs))))))))))))

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 06:43 PM

OK...I'm a little better/calmer now....total renal failure, and no way could she have come back. I am sure we made the right decision. Did all anyone could. She recognized us, but didn't care.....just a pleading look. More info after the necropsy tomorrow. We'll have her cremated and bury her under the lilac bush in the back garden.

Thank you all so very very much.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 06:51 PM

Love you, bes/bud.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 07:12 PM

{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}} so sorry this happened, Sorcha. I know how much those little ones mean to you. You all did your best, esp. making that hard decision at the end.

luvyakat

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 07:23 PM

Missed this whole thread somehow. So sorry Sorcha, been through the whole kidney failure thing and how difficult the decision is and how much it hurts. Big Hug.

Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:08 PM

Sniff...

(((((((((((BIG HUG, Sorch!!!)))))))))))))

So, so sorry... I'm missin' Annie right now as if I knew her all her life...

Yo Annie,

Good fight, girl... Hey, if ya' meet up with a Golden Retiever named Beau in Heaven, say "Hey" fir me, will ya Annie???

And dontcha worry about yer mom... We'll do right by her down here, that's fir sure...

Sniff...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: JudyB
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 09:34 PM

I'm so sorry, Sorcha.

I'll tell Gashay, Lovey and Dilbert to keep an eye out for her on the other side.

Hugs,
JudyB

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: JennyO
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 09:46 PM

Oh Sorcha, so sorry to hear about this. I was afraid of this when you hadn't posted for a while. My heart goes out to you. It's not easy, is it.

If she sees a feisty old white cat named Fluffy up there, maybe they can compare notes. Fluffy went the same way some years ago.

Jenny

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Janie
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 09:52 PM

Oh. I'm so very sorry Sorcha and the Mister. Peace be with you.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 05:58 AM

My thoughts are with you Sorcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: gnu
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 06:16 AM

My sincerest condolences, Sorcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From:
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 09:26 AM

Sorry to hear this Sorcha.

{{{Sorcha}}}

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 09:35 AM

Sorry to hear Sorcha...

It's awful to loose our pets and friends, but keep your memories.

E>W>I>S
xx

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 03:43 PM

{{{{{{{{{{{{Sorcha}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: open mike
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 05:52 PM

All Dogs Go To Heaven!
hugs to you...and her
furry friends.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Hollowfox
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 06:10 PM

You did everything you could, and she didn't die alone and in fear. She doesn't hurt anymore, either.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 06:10 PM

I know, and thanks so very much, all of you...

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Kaleea
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 07:35 PM

Your little one is happy & free of pain, & loved by all where she is! I lost my companion of 20 years 2 years ago. I still miss her at times. They are always with us-only a thought away.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: rock chick
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 10:02 PM

:^(( lots of love xx

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 10:30 PM

I've been thinking of you Sorch and I am so sorry...... but you and I aare dog lovers and both know you did the best and the right thing.....no anguish, just great memories. But it's so hard isn't it? Who was it said that dogs don't live long enough.....it's their only real fault? How true.

Jaeger's time is soon and I am counting on having the strength you had. Much Love,

Pat

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: pixieofdoom
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 09:18 AM

So sorry Sorch

Fiona xx

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: suzi
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 06:56 PM

So very sorry sorch...love too you and dad....RIP Annie..x

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Morticia
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 11:27 AM

so sorry Sorch, I know how much you love all your critters....((((hugs)))))

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 11:30 AM

And from me, my wife,my wife's pa (not 'catters but very concerned) & our 2 cats

Subject: Somewhere a puppy runs
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 12:18 PM

Somewhere a puppy runs
as pleased with the world
as she is willing to please.
As she grew we laughed with mutual amusement,
she on two legs and we on all fours.
Born in July by March she was thigh high
She laughed at our music and we at hers.
So I try to remember that somewhere a puppy runs
because I can not erase
that last look of resignation
on our beloved Annie's face.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: MMario
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 12:23 PM

Sorcha - so sorry not to have seen this until now - we are facing our own puppy crisis with an elderly pomeranian who just can't get enough food to stay down to maintain his weight, diagnosed friday with a recurring bone infection which the vet refuses to treat. So far he is still alert and happy most of the time but we know...

Hugs to you and yours --you know you have my thoughts.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 12:25 PM

I'll let you know when Annie's Page is up, and when the results come back....thank you all so much.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 12:26 PM

I am sorry, Sorch.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SunnySister
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 12:31 PM

Donuel- you have me crying here at work. That is such a beautiful poem.

It is so hard to love so deeply and lose so many within a lifetime. Still, I wouldn't trade having my furry companions for anything- even the pain when they are sick or passed over.

--SunnySister, who is still a little weepy from those last few lines

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 12:38 PM

Sunny sister, me too.

But at the same time I remember that somewhere a puppy has the runs.

but seriously
Sorcha you have my condolences.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SunnySister
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 12:40 PM

MMario- sorry to hear about your sad news too. I love Poms- such sweet little foxy spirits. Sending my best to your family as well,

--SunnySister

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: GUEST,amergin
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 03:26 PM

I am sorry to here this, Sorch...just sing to her once in a while as she lays sleeping beneath the flowers.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 05:12 PM

Necropsy results back...pancreas was basically gone....kidneys shot inside....no way anyone could have saved her...helps a little bit.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: number 6
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 05:19 PM

Sad news Sorcha, very sad news ... you provided her with a wonderful life.

sIx