BS: Sir Paul & the seals

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 06:58 PM

GREENpeace. GREEN. Money. Bullshit says I.

If the Newfoulanders could raise horses on a barren rock perched atop the North Atlanic Ocean rather than risk their lives on the ice fer seal meat they sure would.

Tastes a lot better too. I have never eaten horse, but I have eaten seal.

But, some bunch a shysters is duppin yuppie twits inta thinkin... where the fuck is Paul these days anyway? On his yatch enjoyin a big T-Bone steak? Idiot!

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 06:01 PM

Beware, I attach this opinion piece to an older thread

They eat horses, don't they?

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/1163094.html

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Big Phil
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 06:34 PM

Seal, meat and clothing for many...........

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 03:15 PM

Here's a good article on the subject from someone who lives there...

http://www.cbncompass.ca/index.cfm?iid=1197&sid=8333

(hopefully this will not be too big to fit into Joe's large screen)


"They are the rage in Europe, but the question is where do they get them?

We see them on television - white and blue sealskin coats - on the catwalks of Europe and the runways of New York.

They are on the news every night now - those fancy fashion models - wearing white and blue sealskin coats, slinking down the runways, one leg directly in front of the other, like a fox tracking a rabbit.

While they strut their time upon the stage, the news announcer in the background quotes the most recent aged celebrity who claims we Newfoundlanders are barbarians.

As we all know in this province, we are not allowed to sell the skin of a whitecoat or blueback seal. It is a criminal offence for our sealers to do that.

Ottawa made sure, about seven years ago, that we ordinary Newfoundlanders and Labradorians would not forget the law when they ordered law enforcement officers to raid the homes, business premises, and trucks of all buyers of sealskins in this province.

Law enforcement officers seized all records of the buyers and any blueback sealskins they found. Every person who sold bluebacks in this province was charged with a criminal offence.

I know all about it because I am still in court representing some of the sealers in ongoing court cases at several communities on the Northeast coast.

Over and over we see the whitecoat and blueback clothing on CBC, CTV, CNN and other news networks, while they talk about us, shamelessly suggesting something that we know is one big fat fib.

The truth is that those beautiful whitecoat and blueback sealskins come from Europe, Asia and the United States where it is legal to sell whitecoats and bluebacks.

In those other countries the law states that every seal can be killed and the pelts sold as long as the seal is weaned from its mother - this means they can be taken about 10 to 12 days after birth. A blueback can remain a blueback for a couple of years.

So, these European and U.S. protesters who are objecting to the killing and selling of whitecoats and bluebacks should stay home and protest in their own front yard.

But they come to our province, where it is illegal to do the very thing they are protesting against, and where the penalties are so severe for breaking this law that nobody does it!

Of course the real reason why the protesters are here is because Canada is the only nation that allows them to get close to a seal, let alone a seal hunt.

The law in the United States is called The Marine Mammals Regulations of Alaska. That law says that no person, other than a sealer, can come to within 100 yards of a seal. A film crew in an airplane cannot come to within 1,500 feet of a seal. There is also no provision in U.S. law to allow a protester to be given a license to do what the aged celebrities are allowed to do on our coast.

Norway, renowned for its very high standard of living, directly subsidizes the seal hunt with cash paid for each seal pelt. Norway even issues hunting licenses to tourists to kill seals if they want but Norway does not allow protesters to approach a seal or be in the area of a seal hunt.

The UK law respecting seals even allows fishermen to kill all seals that approach fishing gear or salmon rivers.

Greenland has an unlimited quota to kill seals.
They estimate they killed in excess of 150,000 pup seals last year. Norway and Russia recorded 177,000 kills and they count their seals differently. They encourage sealers to kill whitecoats and bluebacks in their first year of life because of their high incidence of natural mortality. Their quotas are set so that three seal pups are counted as two adult seals.

While Canada is the only place in the world where television cameras are welcome to witness and film, on site, the killing of seals, you might have thought there was hope for change with Newfoundland's own newly-appointed federal fisheries minister Loyola Hearn in charge.

Last week the minister claimed that it is probably better to licence the protestors to come and film the seal hunt to show the world that it is well regulated and humane. Perhaps it is too obvious to point out to the minister that cameras aren't allowed in abattoirs (nor should they be) and they shouldn't be allowed on the pristine white ice fields. The abattoirs are closely regulated and inspected, and so are the ice fields."

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 04:52 PM

If they try, I'd bet she tells them to stick it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 04:48 PM

I agree ... world needs more like her. I wonder if the Prime Minister's office is going to make her apologize.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 04:20 PM

Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette has more balls than our fu#kin' Prime Minister.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 12:56 PM

Ahhh... I think this thread has been beaten to death. Time to seal it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 10:32 AM

This CBC article I find interesting and some of you might also....

Canadian Senator fires back

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 07:50 AM

You guys trin ta get this thread up ta 200 er somethin?

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 05:00 PM

I have never enjoyed killing. I've donne my share, and probably some other people's share of it too, but it was for food or to put down a creature that would be better off dead--sometimes a hard call to make.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 04:27 PM

if ne thing should b stoped 4 the pleasure of the kill its rec huntin. ppl pay so they can go out and blow away a bear, deer, moose and the list goes on. ppl go out 2 the seal hunt and kill them as a job not 4 fun. alot of men were lost on the ice, and each time ppl go out its a risk. Its not unusual 2 hear about a boat bein tore 2 pieces by ice. so dont have a dumb thought in ur mind ppl goes out 4 the fun of shootin a gun. every year its a gamble

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 03:29 PM

Things are never so simple when we delve:
   To refrain from eating meat because of refusing to contribute to any creature's death is an error. Far too much of the earths surface has been cleared of forests to provide land for agriculture. In turn a great deal of prime agriculture land is paved and built over for urban sprawl.
The habitant of the animals is being destroyed and they are left a slow death from starvation, or else they loose cover that protects them from predators.
I recall years ago reading a study on the number of creatures destroyed by ploughing 1 acre of land. The loss of ground dwelling creatures such as rabbits, birds, fieldmice, groundhogs, moles etc. was surprisingly high. The simple fact is that we must eat to live and one way or another we are in competition with other animals.
If our un-named guest really wants to make a difference may I suggest a hunger strike. Now that would save some creatures and also remove a pimple from the Earth's arse!

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 01:49 PM

Ah, those were the days, eh? I once ate 25 undersized lobsters at my uncle's house in P.E.I. Dee-licious!

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 01:24 PM

It's the crap that is in the (super market) meat which makes me an 'almost vegetarian'.

Lobster was eaten by the very poor here in the Maritimes back before it became the expesive food item as it is today.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 12:23 PM

It's easy to be vegetarian and eat no meat (unless you live in the far North, in which case that's a different story...). As Guest pointed out, there are a vast number of people in a great many cultures who have eaten little or no meat. North Americans and western Europeans eat a LOT of meat...far more than is actually good for them...and they do so for cultural reasons, not natural ones. They're culturally accustomed to it, and take it for granted.

I've gone for lengthy periods eating a vegetarian diet...which was great...and have likewise gone for lengthy periods eating the typical North American diet with meat, which was also just fine by me. I had to be more motivated and well organized to stick to a vegetarian diet in a society that pigs out on meat as a standard thing and takes it for granted.

In the old days in Europe the poorer people could not afford to eat much meat. Therefore, eating meat became associated with wealth, living the "good life", therefore everyone wanted more meat. When they came to North America in the 1500s and found a continent teaming with wild game...they were free to eat meat till it was coming out of their ears. That resulted in a culture that became fixated on eating steaks, roasts, meat with every meal if at all possible....merely because, all of a sudden, they could. It was easily available.

It has also resulted, in the long run, in a society that is not very physically healthy.

I am convinced from my own experience and from personal observation that most people in this society eat more meat than is good for them, that it harms their health, that it wastes valuable land that would be better used for growing crops, and that it has created a horrific slaughterhouse industry that is so awful that if most people got to witness it firsthand they would not be able to stomach eating meat any longer.

Not that eating meat is totally wrong or evil. It's not. Eating way too much meat is the problem here.

Mick, I think our dentition does not indicate that we are predators, it indicates that we, like the large apes, are omnivores. We don't have a mouth full of sharp cutting and tearing teeth as true predators do. We have some chopping teeth at the front, two very blunt and unimpressive vestigial canines (hardly suitable for a predator), and a bunch of grinding teeth in the back for grinding fruits, vegetables, grains, and whatever else we might eat. Those are the teeth of an animal that eats mainly plants, not meat, but may eat a little meat now and then if it's handy. And that describes the life of a wild chimpanzee (aside from the grains). They eat mostly plants, but will eat meat on occasion. I think that's what we were naturally made to do also. That's not what I call a predator.

Kaboom! Whole new bunch of crap to fight about. This thread has now been kickstarted back to life, to lurch on across the verbal landscape of Mudcat Cafe. Shatner shrugs and sits down in the orchestra pit to watch the scene unfold. ;-P

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Not impressed
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 11:34 AM

Could it be you oh so clever fellows aren't aware most of the world's population doesn't eat animal flesh as their protein source? It's beans and rice for most folks, day in and day out, year in and year out.

But that is another thread. This one is a bit too gleeful in it's celebration of slaughtering animals for my tastes.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 11:04 AM

i no 1st hand how much this hunt means 2 ppl so when u. So i feel 4 those ppl u. And 2 let u no i have made only 5 posts. So when u learn what ur talkin about then make ur point other wise keep a lid on it and piece i agree with u in a perfect world we wouldent have 2 kill ne thing 4 food but thats the hard truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Not impressed
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 10:54 AM

Thanks "Guest" (sure), but I believe after 180+ posts, you've beaten everything in sight to death.

But keep on flogging away, if trying to rekindle the flames after everyone has left is your thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 10:51 AM

"Like someone above said, the pro-seal slaughter fellows are clever by half."

It is not really that way, not impressed. No one 'likes' the slaughter. People, however, all over the world do various slaughters at different times. Caribou, fish (over a period of months), whales, seals, cattle, chickens. There are few folks with no blood on their hands. Oh, their hands may be clean, but that's only because they are six times removed from the process. They don't see the nut cutting of bulls or the factory slaughter in meat plants. I think that in a perfect world, we'd all be vegetarians--but then the Jains have a view of that which would prohibit the slaughter of vegetables (I don't mean to be facetious).

At present, people come before animals. In a perfect world it would not be thus.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 10:43 AM

Every big food market is a slaughter. My girl friend's father works in a slaughter house out in sask. He kills over 500 cows a night. This happens every weekday and his is only one shift. Pigs r killed by a bolt that is drivein through the backs of there heads. so what ever u do its a cruel. Well i dunno about the rest of the world but i loves me meal od seal

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Not impressed
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 10:36 AM

Like someone above said, the pro-seal slaughter fellows are clever by half. Especially those who are apparently so sacred, they walk on water.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 10:31 AM

I knows dat. But ya boils 'em dead. Dey bes alive when dey go in. They bes dead when dey come out. Loik I said, "Ya boils 'em dead." LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 10:29 AM

they r alive when u boils em
I fishes em

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 10:26 AM

Ya boils 'em dead. Tink about THAT!

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 10:25 AM

and 4 that feller up there sayin "we will stop it" u wont stop shit. Many ppl has tryed b4 2 stop it so u and a few of ur crazy animnal rights groups needs 2 find ya selves a few new hobbies

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 10:21 AM

o yeah i bet ppl dont tink about lobster. guess how ya cooks them?   boils em alive   now tink about that. A lobster isent cute but it feels pain just like every thing else.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 09:30 AM

Well 4 all of u crowd that don't no what its like 4 fisher men ill give ya a hint. HARD AS FUCK. Me father is one and trust me he earned every cent he ever made. Seals r not as sweet as ya tinks. they will b happy 2 take a good piece out of ya. Give em one good nip and u can bet ull feel it. They don't all just lie dere and look cute. The best part of em snaps at ya face and tries 2 take what every body part they can get at off. I nos u can say "well ur tryin 2 kiill em"   but no they r like it all the time.   even b4 u gets ya gun blazen u walk out on the ice and try 2 pet one. Get use 2 cleanin ya arse with 2 fingers

I seen one feller up dere sayin sum thin about who cares if its 40 000 of ppl out of work. Well ill put it 2 ya like this u supply all the food it puts on the table and all the money it puts in ya pockets and then we will tink about killin the violent fuckers.

well thats it from me stright out of a newfies mouth   taker easy every one of yee and god love the ones who understands y the seal hunt happens every year

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 09:22 AM

Very, very good finale Mick!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 08:13 AM

As the houselights go down, and a spotlight comes up on a solitary figure on stage. The biggest damn Irishman you ever saw stares intently at the figure of a lone, rather portly woman getting ready to sing The Song. Mick settles in to enjoy the moment, but something about the proverbial "Fat Lady" catches his eye. He leans forward in his seat, straining to make out what it is. As he struggles to figure out what is bothering him, he realizes. The lady is Shatner in drag.................AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 08:04 AM

Now... that's how to end a thread. Bravo! Bravo! Fade to black.......

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 11:58 PM

What seal hunt? Hey, isn't McCartney involed in something about that? In PEI, Newfoundland?

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 11:52 PM

No question.

Well, I think we have solved the seal hunt problem, eh, guys? ;-P

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 11:49 PM

Make a stop in Blind River. It would be a hit there for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:53 PM

I'm on for that!!

Next stop after Barrie guys .... Broadway !!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:51 PM

OK, then. Get Doris to do the dance and Shatner to choreograph it. SIx can wash the towels, LH can dry them and I'll call the local papers to let them know.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:49 PM

Yes I have LH ... but I must say never, ever without her tea towels.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:45 PM

True, but Shatner is, well, he's SHATNER!

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:45 PM

Hmmmm.

So you've already seen Doris, have you?

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:44 PM

Doris is actually a nice girl.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:40 PM

I opt for the tea towel thing. But get Shatner to do it instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:39 PM

Wow.

Well, it's short notice, but maybe....

Either that or I can get Doris the Orillia laundromat girl to do her dance of the seven tea towels instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:35 PM

Just got off the phone with him LH. Good news and bad news.

First the bad news ... sorry pal. Your still committed to the bookings.

Good News ... it doesn't have to be Macca and Raptor having a live debate. He suggested you can do something else ... like a 1 man play starring yourself, performing the biography of William Shatner.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:30 PM

Well, that's a relief... (wiping sweat off brow)

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:28 PM

Raptor, have a good day. GUESTS get to say what they choose, there's no reason you shouldn't too.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:17 PM

Don't worry LH ... I have cousin who is a member of the Barrie Curling Club ... I'll talk to him and i'm sure he can remedy this current delima of yours.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:11 PM

Well, I guess that means the big fight between Raptor and Sir Paul is off.

Damn.

I had already sold several thousand dollars worth of advance tickets, and rented the Barrie Curling Club facilities. I am in deep shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Raptor
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 10:05 PM

I'd like to apologise to my fellow catters for gettin so upset at the words of an obvious troll and my use of bad language.

Little Hawk and I just attended a concert and he pointed out to me that I was getting too sucked in to this shit!

As you can tell I'm a bit touchey on the subject having lost a few relatives on the ice!

His solution was a good one "Don't read what the moron has to say!"

And with that I'm outa here. Catch me on a more pleasant thread.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 07:44 PM

Go down on Irish people? Well, if the lass fits....

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,B Martin
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 05:36 PM

a-Will you, won't you want me to make you
I'm coming down fast, but don't let me break you
Tell me, tell me, tell me the answer...