BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?

Subject: BS: HAS MUDCAT BECOME BITTER?
From: GUEST,anonforfearofbitternessandattacksimlikealitt
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 05:36 PM

Just seems like this lately, bitterness and bad manners seem to have taken hold of this site.

I worry for future of mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: HAS MUDCAT BECOME BITTER?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 05:38 PM

Seems to me Mudcat is just as it's always been....

Kindly don't post titles in all caps... it's rude....

Subject: RE: BS: HAS MUDCAT BECOME BITTER?
From: Bert
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 05:40 PM

Bitter? I don't mind if I do!

Subject: RE: BS: HAS MUDCAT BECOME BITTER?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 05:42 PM

Depends where you look - there's still a lot of good stuff here.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: John O'L
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 05:59 PM

I AGREE WITH CLINTON!

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Amos
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 06:01 PM

Nah, not a bit of it. Besides, effen you ain't bitter, you missed half the fun, and she'll charge the same anyway.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 06:09 PM

Thanks for the Thread Title edit....

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 06:10 PM

9½ years now, and I have seen 6-7 or more swings as different mixes of folk enter the fray. It's like global warming...you can't predict a 'trend' based on a small sample.

Besides, it may be the "big city syndrome" the larger the population, the more of ANY type behavior you will find, and the nasty ones have a way of making noise and trouble out of proportion to their numbers.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 06:40 PM

It's a tremendous shock, isn't it, John? I remember the first time I agreed with Clinton almost as well as I remember the day Kennedy got shot.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 06:44 PM

You want bitter, check out the threads during Bush's mad-dash-to-war 3 years ago... Whew!!! Down right hostile stuff...

And now that we have ther *new and slightly improved" MG, things have settled down some...

Oh yeah, there were a couple really obnoxious GUEST's a couple months ago that I had a run-in with and pissed off at least one regular but, hey...

... nuthin' out of the ordinary for this joint...

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Deckman
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 06:53 PM

I will agree with you if you substitute "cynical" for "bitter" ... at least as far as I'm concerned. Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 07:01 PM

Nah! It's just the same. No bitter, no wurst.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 07:02 PM

As one might expect, the mudcats that are probably the most bitter are the bottom-feeders. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 07:31 PM

Mild and Bitter - 'arf 'n 'arf.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: michaelr
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 07:53 PM

Tastes the same to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 07:56 PM

I'm like the Murphy's

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 08:14 PM

Sweet n' strong...;0)

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 08:23 PM

Ballard Bitter, "Ya, sure, ya betcha"

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 08:40 PM

a little bitter wot you fancy does you good!

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 09:07 PM

Ah yes, I see when I look at the clock on the wall that it is, indeed, time for another thread worrying about the future of this place. They have to be right sometime, I suppose.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 11:39 PM

Fuck, hell, shit, yeah, what would you expect when its nobility originates in Hull?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 03:40 AM

Cynical? We Brits are trying to export supertankers full of cynicism to the USA, as there's a critical shortage there.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 03:48 AM

(The wise man)"...regards the sense organs given him by nature as gods & uses them rightly... getting pleasure from hearing & seeing ,from food & from sex."
DIOGENES THE CYNIC.
Sounds like a bloody nice bloke to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 04:43 AM

Bet he couldn't walk very far with them dodgy knees though...

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 05:15 AM

He was a barrel of bitter.
I washed my hands in a Cynic only this morning, and I hear it's time for the Stoics to fly back in from Africa soon.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 05:26 AM

Diogenes on masturbation- "If only hunger could be assuaged by rubbing the stomach."

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: John O'L
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 05:45 AM

This thread is not just a bitter pill to swallow, it's also a can of worms, a tough nut to crack, a leap in the dark, as good as gold, fair and square, and food for thought, but hold your horses, in a nutshell its all Greek to me. Its a whole new ball game.

All hell's breaking loose but I'm as cool as a cucumber.
Fair enough?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 05:48 AM

What's all the mixed meta for?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Trevor
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 05:58 AM

The bitter butt eh....

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 07:03 AM

Actually, it seems in the last week to have improved dramatically. We still disagree, sometimes heatedly, but in general the stupid vulgar personal attacks appear to have moderated. Even our favorite erstwhile denizen of the sewer seems to have emerged from the Stygian darkness-- (just had to seize the opportunity to use "Stygian darkness"--such occasions don't appear very often)-- and decided (whether under duress or not) that there might just possibly be a purpose to communication after all.

Well, the proof of the pudding....

When the vulgar personal attacks do still appear, at least the perpetrators may apologize, which has rarely happened til now.

But, don't worry, the shipment of cynicism arrived intact.

So, as has already been suggested, let's all have a pint of bitter or whatever you'd like.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 07:09 AM

I find it Stout, more Lager than Bitter, but good for what Ales me at times...

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 07:11 AM

You can never find a porter when you need one!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 07:21 AM

If I were to guess, I'd say that the personal attacks reached the point that the clones started to delete them. And, that's ok by me. Might help some of the nasty posters to grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Azizi
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 07:26 AM

It takes a village to raise a ---

Oh, never mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: kendall
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 07:26 AM

"Rukus"?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 10:06 AM

a ruckus is what you get when everyone is trying to find their bitter in Stygian darkness.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 10:21 AM

You're too fond of this Stygian darkness Bill. I don't even know where Stygia is. I think there's something of the night about you, or perhaps something tenebraical. Or even Tannochbraical.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: MMario
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 10:22 AM

shadowed arms?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Alba
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 10:28 AM

Azizi..that post is priceless....rofl..
Loves ya
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 10:36 AM

Don't EVER mistake the ugliness visible in the threads at times for "Mudcat." The threads can't show the extraordinary relationships that extend far beyond the threads, and the amazing acts of kindness that are characteristic of this community. THAT "Mudcat" is doing as well as it ever has.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 11:26 AM

Stygia is a sharp left from Stultia...it's where the Stodgies live.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 11:53 AM

Git along little Stodgies get along

I smoke old stodgies I have found

And for those who remember Norman Vaughan, Swingin' ! Stodgie!!

I'll no doubt be around Amaro folks.

Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: MMario
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 12:21 PM

bitterness often develops when a product is overdone - reduced exposure and a lesser amount of heat are both indicated

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 07:59 PM

Bitterness is tasteed primarily on the back of the tongue.

To avoid it, either spit or swallow very quickly.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 08:05 PM

That's what my girlfriend said.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 08:11 PM

So did mine.






Hey waitaminnit.... what's your girlfriend's name?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 08:15 PM

I don't know why they say you're dumb Cluin...

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 10:59 PM

Jan says she's really into Stygian darkness--she only drinks draught Guinesss--or Murphy's--she says it's the Irish in her, though my background is Welsh. I wonder what she's trying to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 02:22 AM

Maybe it's the Welsh in her now...

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 04:49 AM

Anybody with any Brains knows they can't make beer in Wales. Have you ever tried Evan Evans Bevans, Vale of Neath Ale?
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 02:01 PM

That sounds like a self-regulating drink. When you can no longer say it five times in a row fast, you don't get anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 02:38 PM

Can't make beer in Wales? What is Felinfoel then....I kinda liked it. And you may hear from Padre, excellent musician, sometimes poster, connoisseur of beer, and of fine Welsh extraction!

(sure is a lot MORE good beer in England & Scotland, though.....I think I need to conduct some more tests)

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 01:01 AM

I think maybe quite a few of us are middle aged - If I'm in the middle of life - I'll live til I'm a hundred and fourteen.

Of course we're bitter, life didn't work out as well as it should have done.

Count yourself lucky that we're as nice as we are......

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: John O'L
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 04:08 AM

"...life didn't work out as well as it should have done..."

This is probably true in a lot of ways, and perhaps we are resentful for those, but there are aspects of life which turned out unimaginably better than we could have ever hoped to dream, and I think most of us are aware of them as well.

Partially and sometimes bitter maybe, but not all and only bitter surely?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 09:57 AM

speaking generally, yes. the most striking feature is hatred of guests, much like myself maybe?

You know, i have a life to lead too, i am at work, and have never bothered to join as a member, but like to look, read and post. But somehow my non-member status makes me inferior. There is a lot of that on here.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 10:07 AM

We are not considered inferior. Just cowards.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 11:15 AM

Guests are like ghosts, our presence is known, but one can't determine our existance, we can be annoying but not dangerous, and there are some who deny our existance.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 11:25 AM

Ther is no anti guest movement on Mudcat per se. There is a general and understandable dislike of abusive Guests, especially when it is a gutless Mudcat member who has logged out in order to be nasty.
Some of these Guests of convenience have such a recognisable style that it is pretty obvious who they are, but without access to Joe Offers managerial buttons we can't prove this, which is exactly what they are hiding behind.
So welcome Guest, your informative clever and amusing posts are welcome while your vituperation is wasted on those with any sense.
As an afterthought a set of initials or something would be nice, I know it proves nothing, but it's nice anyway.
Cheers
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 04:52 AM

Better bitter than ale

Subject: RE: BS: Has Mudcat Become Bitter?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 11:45 AM

Bitter? Emphatically no!

Anti guest? Ditto!

It is, however, somewhat difficult to establish whether you are having a twenty post discussion with one person, or suffering twenty sniping attacks from separate individuals.

That is the main advantage of membership. We still don't know who you are in the real world, but we DO know we are talking to YOU, and not a whole bunch of others.

It's always easier that way to become a recognisable and respected poster.

The point about members logging out to make anonymous attacks is a good on, as of course it presents a negative view of the way guests behave. It might be a good idea if some of those were outed as a deterrent.

Don T.