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Subject: A Folky Strikes Back From: GUEST,JTS Date: 08 Apr 06 - 06:05 PM Folk Musician Harry Taylor give The President what for. Yahoo Article |
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Subject: RE: A Folky Strikes Back From: GUEST,Ron Davies Date: 08 Apr 06 - 06:29 PM He's a member of the "folk" but is he also a "folky?" Does he play or sing? Haven't heard that aspect of it. But regardless, it sure is good somebody told it to Bush straight--even though I've read he hoped somebody would--to contradict the widespread (and true) impression that the vast majority of his "public appearances" are heavily scripted and done to virtually guaranteed-friendly audiences. |
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Subject: RE: A Folky Strikes Back From: katlaughing Date: 08 Apr 06 - 06:33 PM Thanks for the link. I am GLAD someone had a chance and the guts to get up and say it!! |
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Subject: RE: A Folky Strikes Back From: GUEST,JTS Date: 08 Apr 06 - 08:17 PM I saw this on another forum. I think it is from the AP news wire. CHARLOTTE, N.C. - Friday was not a normal day for Harry Taylor. He did two national TV interviews. His phone rang all day. E-mails flooded his inbox. People he never met called him a hero and a patriot. He became a darling of Internet blogs, including one called simply: thankyouharrytaylor.org. "It's like I've got 10,000 butterflies jumping up and down in my stomach," he said in an afternoon interview. "It's been that way for 27 hours now." A day before, President Bush called on Taylor during a question session after a speech at Central Piedmont Community College in Charlotte. "I have never felt more ashamed of, nor more frightened, by my leadership in Washington, including the presidency," Taylor told Bush. "And I would hope from time to time that you have the humility and the grace to be ashamed of yourself." "I'm not your favorite guy," Bush interrupted at one point, waving off boos directed at the Charlotte businessman and giving him a chance to speak. Even Taylor lauded the president's gracious response. But his comments made waves way beyond CPCC's Halton Theatre. His public scolding was picked up by media from around the country and as far away as South Africa. Even the official Chinese news agency reported it. The media reaction began when a flock of reporters mobbed him right after he left his seat Thursday. "I felt like I had just hit the home run to win the World Series," he told CNN's Soledad O'Brien Friday morning. When she asked if he'd spent a lot of time thinking about what to say if given a chance, Taylor had a ready answer. "Yes, about six years worth," he said. Taylor, 61, is a slender, soft-spoken man with a mop of wavy salt-and-pepper hair. He runs a commercial real estate business out of a one-room office. It's an unpretentious setting, lined with architectural drawings and renderings and a Charlie Chaplin wall clock. A divorced New Jersey native, he has lived in Charlotte for almost 20 years. He's president of the Charlotte Folk Society and has spent more time playing the banjo and mandolin than in political activism. He's an unaffiliated voter and says he hasn't belonged to a political party for three decades. His political involvement began a few years ago through his membership in the Sierra Club, and he has spoken out about environmental and other issues. It was through his membership in the Charlotte World Affairs Council that he scored an invitation to the president's appearance. A few minutes with a microphone brought an avalanche of response. He said he has gotten calls from servicemen and their families, almost all positive. E-mails to the Charlotte Observer ran 4-1 in support, though reactions were mixed on charlotte.com. "He wasn't a raging liberal just spewing out accusations," said Stephen Demetriou, a commercial photographer from Maine who read about Taylor on a blog. "There's a lot of people who share his views." Critics, however, called Taylor rude, embarrassing and misguided. "I thought it was very out of place," said Dean Davidson, a real estate broker from Waxhaw, N.C. "I could hear the pacifism in his voice. To me it's just the same old, same old you hear every day; criticism of the administration's policies but never a new idea." Other critics posted comments on the Observer's Web site. "Mr. Harry Taylor made a fool of himself with that retarded speech he made in front of the world," one poster wrote. "Taylor and Cindy Sheenan would make a great couple." Taylor isn't worried about the exchange hurting his business. And Theresa Salmen, executive vice president of the Charlotte Region Commercial Board of Realtors, said developers she met with Friday morning didn't seem to mind. "They were really impressed with how Bush handled it, as well as the way Harry had handled his questions," she said. "Everybody has a right to their opinions." On Friday, Taylor juggled all the phone calls and e-mails with a business meeting and plans for a Friday night Folk Society concert at Central Piedmont, not far from where he confronted the president. So much has happened to Taylor since Thursday he isn't sure what to expect next. "I didn't set out to change my life," he said. "But I'm really passionate about humanity and fairness. We only come around this way once." When things settle down, he plans to write Bush a letter. "I just want to tell him, `Thank you for listening to me and quieting 900 people down so I could talk,'" he said. "And remind him that civil discourse is critical to the successful operation of a communal society." |
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Subject: RE: A Folky Strikes Back From: GUEST,JTS Date: 08 Apr 06 - 09:11 PM Hooray For Harry!! |
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Subject: RE: A Folky Strikes Back From: Once Famous Date: 08 Apr 06 - 09:25 PM This belongs in BS. |
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Subject: RE: A Folky Strikes Back From: Once Famous Date: 08 Apr 06 - 09:33 PM 15 mminutes of fame from a very ungreatful American is all this crap is. His phone is not wiretapped, he is free to believe and do whatever he wants. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: GUEST,JTS Date: 08 Apr 06 - 10:30 PM I agree on one thing "15 mminutes of fame from a very ungreatful American is all this crap is. His phone is not wiretapped, he is free to believe and do whatever he wants. " The above belongs in B.S. Ungrateful to G. W. Bush. LOL!! What a jackass! |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: GUEST,JTS Date: 08 Apr 06 - 10:36 PM Joe and Joeclones Is the squeeky wheel being oiled? Please remove this thread. If it is B.S. and not a story about a folk musician, I don't want to be responsible for having started it. Thanks.
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Jack the Sailor Date: 08 Apr 06 - 10:38 PM That was me. Please Delete. Thanks |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 08 Apr 06 - 10:50 PM Harry never said that his phone was tapped, but he did say that his president has decided that he has the right to tap phones. Sorry Martin, but I think is a very grateful American because he had the opportunity to stand up and say what he felt. Usually these meetings are puff pieces and the questions and speakers are chosen before hand. Either Harry went off script or, what I hope is the truth - Bush's handlers are letting him see the truth. I honestly feel that Bush has not been given the pulse of this country in the past. I love this country and I love the opportunites it offers. So does Harry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: GUEST Date: 08 Apr 06 - 11:04 PM "To me it's just the same old, same old you hear every day; criticism of the administration's policies but never a new idea." -from GUEST, JTS's cut 'n' paste. Here's a new idea for you, Dean: No government intrusion into the lives of its private citizens. And easy to implement, too. Just stop. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: SINSULL Date: 08 Apr 06 - 11:40 PM It took a lot of guts to risk his business in order to say what was on his mind. A brave man. What was bush's answer other than "I'm not your favorite guy"?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Jack the Sailor Date: 09 Apr 06 - 01:08 AM Mocking laughter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: The Shambles Date: 09 Apr 06 - 02:51 AM House Concerts a Federal Case |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Big Al Whittle Date: 09 Apr 06 - 04:32 AM How unpopular would you say Bush is at the moment? Is it mainly because of the war, if he is unpopular? Is he generally liked? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Ernest Date: 09 Apr 06 - 07:31 AM Sinsull, I disagree. The USA are a democracy. Criticizing the president is neither riskier for one`s business nor braver than playing the banjo in public. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: GUEST,Ron Davies Date: 09 Apr 06 - 09:07 AM Great for Harry--"Give 'em hell, Harry"--both for what he said, and that he is a folkie. And as far as Bush's popularity--it seems, based on polls (which are of course, just a snapshot), that Bush would lose an election now, depending, of course , on who his opponent was. There's a huge list of gripes people have against him, starting with the Iraq war, which, it's more evident every day, he suckered the US public into supporting by his regime's despicable propaganda campaign. The fact of this campaign is something nobody, here or anywhere else--has ever come up with any facts to refute. He may not have outright lied at the time--just presented only the select evidence which seemed to many to justify the war. But his statement recently that he did not intend to go to war against Iraq is, it's painfully obvious, a blatant lie--and voters recognize that and don't like it. And of course, the Iraq war is now in the process of blowing up in his face. Nobody is happy that Iraq is descending into civil war--but it shows the incredible lack of competence the Bush regime has in doing anything but destruction that there was virtually no plan for anything but toppling Saddam. That's only the first item-- in a list that includes the federal government's bungled response to Katrina, the culture of corruption which has flourished under Bush, and the out-of-control spending he has made no attempt to curtail--has not vetoed one spending bill. Even in areas where I believe his stance is at least close to the right one--the Dubai ports flap and the current illegal immigrant issue--there are enough voters in his own base who are annoyed with him that they might well not come out to support him if a presidential election were held today--always, of course, depending on who his opponent might be. That's his main problem--that his own base is turned off. Obviously, speculating on "if the election were held today" is still a pointless exercise--since a person's opponent will always determine the extent to which his own base will support him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: CapriUni Date: 09 Apr 06 - 09:52 AM The presidential election isn't until November of '08, but there's a congressional election this year, and the midterm elections are generally seen as a vote of confidence on the government in general. Unfortunately, the Democrats don't seem at all interested in coming up with a plan of their own; there strategy seems to be limited to "Give them enough rope..." But it'll be interesting to see how the Congress looks next year. Oh, according to a report on the news, Bush's aproval rating was down to 36%, which is down into the "historically low" range. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Bobert Date: 09 Apr 06 - 09:59 AM Well, it really wouldn't matter much if the Dems had a plan because congressional races have, through jerrymandering, become noncompetetive... That in itself should be a 'cause for new American revolution since democracy has pretty much been short circuited by the Repubocratic Party.... Vote Green... But, way to go Harry!!! You done real good, ol' son... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 09 Apr 06 - 10:31 AM "Criticizing the president is neither riskier for one`s business nor braver than playing the banjo in public." I am not sure if you meant that as sarcasm or if you honestly believe it isn't risky for business to take such a stand. You would be very naive to think that this act was not a risk to his business. People do not like controversy and they will take their business elsewhere. Democracy has nothing to do with boycotts, in fact it is the spirit of democracy that encourages such actions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Ernest Date: 09 Apr 06 - 10:47 AM Ron, with Bush`s popularity sinking to a historically low 36 % as CapriUni reported, it doen`t seem to be a risk (it might even improve his business). Besides, if the man is living in the place for 20 years people should know his political preferences anyway. None of the articles indicated that he had been afraid telling his opinions before. Or do you feel heroic when you are giving political statements here? And have you lost listeners because you did? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: GUEST,Ron Davies Date: 09 Apr 06 - 11:22 AM Ernest--unless you have made controversial statements while running a business dependent to some extent on public goodwill, you should think before pontificating. Many at the "town meeting" Harry spoke out at booed Harry for what he said. If any of them would need Harry's services, now that they've heard him, they very likely will go elsewhere--potential lost business for Harry--he runs a commercial real estate business, and businessmen might well be conservative--and support Bush. Remember this is North Carolina we're talking about here, not Connnecticut--where attitudes are different. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Once Famous Date: 09 Apr 06 - 11:42 AM One thing some critics do not understand is that the popularity contest is long over. It is irrelevant. Bush will not be impeached. Running the country is the matter at hand as he was elected to do. The on-going sour grapes that Bush did win is nothing but decisive and self-serving. Find a better candidate next time. As for Harry, he had every right to say what he wanted to the President's face. And the President, who also believes in his reasoning has every right to tell Harry he is wrong or to just ignore him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: SINSULL Date: 09 Apr 06 - 12:00 PM Ernest, Sorry, but I have seen businesses suffer for taking a stand on politics, religion, gay rights, abortion. I boycott products produced by companies that are trying to overturn Roe v. Wade - Sally Hanson Nail Products, for one. I also avoid buying cosmetics that are produced by companies that still test on live animals. If his business were not an issue, why was it brought up at a meeting of the local Real Estate Board the following Friday? "Taylor isn't worried about the exchange hurting his business. And Theresa Salmen, executive vice president of the Charlotte Region Commercial Board of Realtors, said developers she met with Friday morning didn't seem to mind." Just as Taylor has a right to speak, his customers and business associates have a right to disagree with his speech and make it known by boycotting his services. He is, I reiterate, a brave man. Mary |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 09 Apr 06 - 12:02 PM I do agree with you Martin. However, I do think that it is more than a "popularity" contest. The fathers of our country, who would have either been deemed radicals from the far left or conservative businessmen looking after their own interests, voiced their opinions - loudly. We would not be here today if it wasn't for that. What we are seeing today is more than sour grapes and it is not self-serving. The Rush Limbaugh's of the world will be quick to dismiss and label dissent as something morally wrong, but that is their defense mechanism. They may not agree with the opinion, but all the claptrap in the world can't silence it. ALL opinion is healthy and needed to maintain the check and balances that this democracy was built on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 09 Apr 06 - 12:06 PM Ernest, I have been called many things by many listeners for the songs that I play. I may have lost listeners, I may have gained some. That isn't the point nor the goal. I am not sure what you are getting at about "feeling heroic". I don't think that is what Harry Taylor was doing, nor is it what I do - or the musicians that I play (it is their forum, not mine). Most people who express their opinions aren't trying to be heros nor are they trying to make personal gains. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Once Famous Date: 09 Apr 06 - 12:14 PM Ron, I don't think anyone is trying to stop anyone from opinions, but the easiest way to not make opposing issues opinions is to simply dismiss them and ignore them. In other words, "say what you want, and if choose to ignore you, that's the way it is." It may be a defense mechanism, true. But if it works for the defender, then it is effective. ron, there is no clear cut way to measure opposing opinions for personal agendas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Ernest Date: 09 Apr 06 - 12:21 PM Ron, please don`t accuse me of writing without thinking. The fact that the people in the audience booed Mr. Taylor doesn`t mean that much. There might have been a majority of Bush`s supporters at the meeting, but this seems quite normal to me. So what? The article JtS quoted that he had been politicly active for a while - so the people of his town would have known his political preferences already. It also said that the reactions the local newspaper received were in a majority of 4:1 supporting Mr. Taylor. It also said that the developers (his potential business partners) didn`t seem to mind and Mr. Taylor himself is not worrying about his business - and he should know it better than we do from afar. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 09 Apr 06 - 12:25 PM Good points Martin, but I think we chose to ignore opposing issues that the Mudcat boards would be empty!! :) In a previous job, I worked for a company that was led by Roger Ailes, now the the head honcho at Fox News and the man who played a large role in getting Richard Nixon and George Bush Sr. elected president. While we are on the opposite sides of the policial spectrum, he once said something that had a profound - and positive - influence on me. In a meeting where we were discussing some personnel issues, Roger said something to the effect that "all people can and should have personnel agendas. There is nothing wrong with that. When their agenda runs counter to the agenda and goals of the company they work for, then there is a problem". It is very true. Without personal agendas, we become in effect slaves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 09 Apr 06 - 12:27 PM "Ron, please don`t accuse me of writing without thinking." I did not have to accuse you of anything. I also did not make any assumptions in my comments. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Once Famous Date: 09 Apr 06 - 12:32 PM Ron, maybe the Mudcat boards should be empty of stuff like this. I certainly would not care in the slightest, as it has what I like to use as a favorite expression of mine here: zero impact. Harry Taylor's story had zero impact also, except for a few moments. Corporate America is hurting this country much more than the government is. That to me seems more dangerous as we can't elect those people in charge. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Apr 06 - 01:21 PM I can't see why this shouldn't be up in the music end of the forum. Here's a link to the Charlotte Folk Society, which sounds pretty healthy. "Dedicated to promoting the ongoing enjoyment and preservation of traditional and contemporary folk music, dance, crafts and lore in the Southern Piedmont, since 1982. Sound like good people. Any Mudcatters belong to it? The strange thing is that it should actually seen as out-of-line for people in a democracy to talk to their leaders this way, in a forceful and critical manner, but staying within the bounds of courteousy. I mean, Harry Taylor, as a citizen of the USA, is one of Bush's employers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Donuel Date: 09 Apr 06 - 01:36 PM http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/pizza/179/flying.gif bless his little heart |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: GUEST,Frank Date: 09 Apr 06 - 02:59 PM "A divorced New Jersey native, he has lived in Charlotte for almost 20 years. He's president of the Charlotte Folk Society and has spent more time playing the banjo and mandolin than in political activism." Sounds like it's time for The Ballad of Harry Taylor. Way to Go!!! Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: GUEST,Ron Davies Date: 09 Apr 06 - 03:39 PM "Martin"-- "Corporate America is hurting this country more than the government is." STOP THE PRESSES!!!!! "Martin" has realized the US isn't perfect!!!!!!!!! Judgment Day is here!!!!!!! Pigs are flying all over the place!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Charley Noble Date: 09 Apr 06 - 04:40 PM Maybe we should compose an appropriate commemorative ditty, in the spirit of Malvina Reynolds. Harry's courage certainly deserves recognition. Speaking directly to that horse's ass takes a lot of courage. Much more courage than posting personal abuse in a Mudcat thread (as above), which I wish some Joe Clone would delete. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Jack the Sailor Date: 09 Apr 06 - 06:16 PM "I can't see why this shouldn't be up in the music end of the forum. Here's a link to the Charlotte Folk Society, which sounds pretty healthy. "Dedicated to promoting the ongoing enjoyment and preservation of traditional and contemporary folk music, dance, crafts and lore in the Southern Piedmont, since 1982. " McGrath of Harlow, here is the deal. If not for Martin Gibson whining and the response to it, this is a very reasonable intelligent discussion about the actions of a folk singer. As it is, it is such a thread with a bit partisan bickering on Anonymous Martin's part answered by reason and pity by everone but me who couldn't help calling a jackass a jackass. The right thing to do would be to delete Martin's posts and the response to them and put the tread back where it belongs. Either that or we let the Troll run the forum. In the interest of playing to Joe Offer's sense of fairness, Would all of those who replied to Martin's baiting and abuse please consent to having their replies deleted? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Jack the Sailor Date: 09 Apr 06 - 06:20 PM Charley, Looking at the whole thread, its pretty obvious that Martin was building and baiting to that personal abuse. Also the nonsense about ignoring critics, while criticizing them while saying he doesn't care about them, is another form of ugly Martin Gibson thread pollution. It would be nice to have a reasonable conversation without some illiterate jackass picking a fight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: The Shambles Date: 09 Apr 06 - 06:40 PM Just because someone might picking a fight no one is being forced to fight back by responding in kind - when they can always just carrying on posting and ignore any abuse. If you do respond in kind - don't you rather lose the right to sit in judgement of others and risk further cluttering-up our forum with yet more abuse? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 09 Apr 06 - 06:59 PM "In the interest of playing to Joe Offer's sense of fairness, Would all of those who replied to Martin's baiting and abuse please consent to having their replies deleted?" That is stupid. Martin did not "bait" anyone in this thread. He gave his opinion and shared his opinion just like Harry Taylor did. Both were equally colorful and to the point. Why is it right to allow one person to speak their mind and not the other? That isn't my version of this country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Once Famous Date: 09 Apr 06 - 07:25 PM Thank you Ron, for your usual voice of reason. Jack's version of America is the usual whining when someone doesn't agree. Someone who is closer to the mainstream of things like myself and can tell the difference between radical liberalism, hippie politics, and real people in this country. Deleting anything here would be completly wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 09 Apr 06 - 07:44 PM I'm not sure if we truly have a "mainstream" anymore. If we are to use the last presidential electio as a barometer - Bush won by about 2%. Yet 59 million Americans disageed. If I am part of a minority that is out of the mainstream, I have a hell of a lot of company. I'm not whining or complaining, what happened is in the past. "Radical liberalism" is a misnomer. There are a lot of people here on Mudcat that feel that they deserve that honor of distinction, but in reality they fall far from it. I applaud Harry Taylor for speaking his mind, I agree with what he said. Martin, I applaud you for speaking your mind, and while I do not agree with some of your views, I will fight for your right to speak it. Liberalism is a two-way street and no one should ever attempt to shut someone out for speaking their mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Apr 06 - 08:08 PM 59 million Americans disagreed That isn't counting the ones who didn't vote for anybody. In fact, only a minority of Americans ever voted for Bush. Even the second time round, when he wasn't actually outvoted by his opponent. I agree with Ron about people speaking their mind. More especially when they do it in a way that respects others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Jack the Sailor Date: 09 Apr 06 - 08:24 PM "Martin did not "bait" anyone in this thread. He gave his opinion and shared his opinion just like Harry Taylor did." Ron O.... I guess if you ignore his whole posting history and forgrt the fact that he escalated things to the point that he told someone to "f" off, you may have a point. That jackass has told us dozens of times that he doesn't have any opinions that he cares about, he about said that on this thread and that he just comes here to provoke. The right to free speech does not mean we have to put up with those who simply want to insult, antagonize and provoke. By the way, thanks for calling my words stupid. "That is stupid." How about we split the thread in two? One part for those who want to rationally discuss what Harry did and another for those who want to entertain Martin the Troll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Jack the Sailor Date: 09 Apr 06 - 08:30 PM Martin Gibson... "Oh, ron just fuck off. I didn't say they were hurting a whole lot. They are doing what they need to do to to survive, also. So don't have a Commie coronary or something like that. " Martin Gibson... "Thank you Ron, for your usual voice of reason." So this is a person who is just expressing his opinion and not trying to provoke. Come on Ron, wake up. I just wish that next time you want to have a pissing contest with the fictional Martin Gibson, you start your own thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: GUEST,Ron Davies Date: 09 Apr 06 - 08:33 PM I'm just relieved--for a minute there I thought "Martin" was starting to think clearly. And c'mon--let's not have Round 897 of "Censorship on Mudcat"--we've all heard every bon mot "Martin" comes up with--it only reflects on him. I think we can live with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Jack the Sailor Date: 09 Apr 06 - 08:44 PM No lets appease and humour him. I'm a little pissed because this thread got moved BECAUSE MARTIN GIBSON SAID SO. WHEN MARTIN GIBSON SAID SO. Why should I worry about not feeding the trolls when the Joeclones do it for me. I left out a lot of things I could have said because I wanted to say I was proud of a fellow folk musician. I'm not so much proud of what he said. Hell 64% of the country feels the same way, in spite of what a certain "person" might say about the main stream. Of course those of us with memories know he only said that to provoke. I'm proud that he said what he said with grace and humility and he did it at least in part, as a folk musician. But Martin Gibson had to come piss over this thread with the tacit approval of the moderators of this board. Its a travisty. We shouldn't allow ourselves to be pushed around by bullying disgiused as "expressing opinion". |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 09 Apr 06 - 08:47 PM "By the way, thanks for calling my words stupid. " Your welcome. I thought I should point it out to you before someone else did. "So this is a person who is just expressing his opinion and not trying to provoke. Come on Ron, wake up." And you did differently Jack? This is why we are so screwed up. Jack, you and I actually agree on what Harry Taylor did. Yet you have chosen to pick a fight with me now because I pointed out something you did not wish to see. Of coures Martin has a history with his posts. So do a lot of Mudcatters. If you really look at how this thread progressed Jack, YOU were the first one to call someone a name. Martin stated his colorful opinion without directing it at anyone here on Mudcat. Yet instead of ignoring it, dismissing it or fighting back with any reason, you attack the source. That is EXACTLY the SAME tactics that Rush Limbaugh and all the rest of the conservative media uses, and we throw up our hands in disgust. Yet we can act the same way. Why is that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A Folky Strikes Back From: Jack the Sailor Date: 09 Apr 06 - 09:54 PM "Yet you have chosen to pick a fight with me now because I pointed out something you did not wish to see." I chose to pick a fight with you? LOL What did I say to you before you called me stupid? You call me stupid and I'm picking a fight with you? Is that what you call exercising your free speech? Yeah I called him a jackass BECAUSE HE WAS BEING A JACKASS. Provoking with the help of the cowardly joeclone. But actually I was angry with the coward, who still remains nameless, who gave into Martin Gibson's bullying and moved the thread. Gibson, tells you to "fuck off" and you defend his words as free speech and call me stupid. There is some irony in there somewhere. |
