BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 09:49 PM

'Be in control of your own responses'

Well said GUEST - I do - and I have now explaied WHY I respond the way I do and how it has improved MY self esteem and mental sanitation. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 09:51 PM

Fools you do exactly what you feel is right. I know I do. My post was for mick.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:04 PM

It's not WHAT people say, other than just bashing someone, so much as the tactics. Let me ask some questions: why is this thread so long? What is the purpose of talking about one person so much? Who does it benefit, and how?

You don't have to like the guy, but this devotion of a whole thread or threads to bash him is giving him a huge amount of celebrity. It's also a Mudcat version of a lynch mob, and it makes me sick. I know you don't care what I feel, which is part of why it makes me sick. If you did care what readers thought, you might have a better impression of how your hate fests come across. It's not even about Martin Gibson. I don't care about him. It's about you, and what sort of person you are. Some people seem to think any behavior on their part is excusable if they hate somebody enough.

Martin's probably a lost cause. Those of you who are trying to justify your own bad behavior with someone else's, or claim that anybody who thinks you're acting petty and vindictive must be on Martin
Gibson's side are completely missing the point - likely in order to avoid taking responsibility for acting like stalkers or stone-throwing mob members. Your behavior is about YOU. If Martin Gibson 'made' you do it, then he's got way more control over you, and you're far easier to manipulate than I would have believed possible.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:13 PM

"in order to avoid taking responsibility"

I take full responsibility for acting like a total insensitive arsehole (and thoroughly enjoying it in those circumstances) in the circumstances I have described. In OTHER circumstances, should I go off the rails, I am not perfect and will eventually be remorseful and apologise.

I have discussed this at length with those more experienced professionally, and the response has been mostly along the lines of "If you are in control of what you are doing, and it keeps YOU out of a straight-jacket, or running around with a shotgun, then it seems a perfectly rational and reasonable way to behave".

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:14 PM

Keep in mind that this is just my opinion and my view may have no validity at all - other than to me:

Big Mick and Jeri- I have a great deal of respect for you both. However I think you both are being blind about your own reactions.

We - most of us - are talkinga about the man who calls himself Martin Gibson. You two are talking about us. Fine.

My contention is that you are scolding us for the same reason that we scold Martin - you too are not able to resist doing so.

Ebbie

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:18 PM

My "If you are in control of what you are doing" previous - there was an omission.

Sorry, I meant to say "If you are in control of what you are doing, and accept responsibility for it... etc"

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:19 PM

"We are all Martin Gibsons."

Ron,

I'm taking a page from your book now, please don't get too offended, but that is by far the stupidest statement ever uttered in The MudCat Cafe.

There are very few people here who are as vulgar as Martin Gibson.
Very few are as racist.
Very few are as misogynistic as he.
None are as abusive.
Very few are as dull witted as he and impervious to reason and logic.
And I can't think of anyone with worse grammar and spelling who doesn't seem to be that way for a joke.
And there are only a couple of others who go on and on about cliques here and have vowed more than once to destroy this place.

No Ron

We are not all Martin Gibsons. The worst of us on our worst day are not as bad as Martin Gibson.

After him, The next three worst compined are not as bad a Martin Gibson.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ron Davies
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:20 PM

"We are all Martin Gibsons". Right. We are all Adolph Hitlers too? The liberal guilt around here has reached the sickening stage.

I'll take one from the personal responsibility section of the menu. What--this Mudcat Cafe has no such section? It might try starting one.

I've been urged to get a sense of humor about this. OK. And I've also been trying to decide the appropriate reaction to his absence. And I've come up with it. You can consider this the Martin Gibson Memorial Hijacked Thread. After all, who is well known as a hijacker of threads?

I hope you all read what "Martin" himself said about the "Love and Peace and Tolerance" thread--how realistic that idea is. And he can make his cynicism a self-fulfilling prophecy when he returns from his sensitivity training, crash course on sorting mail, or whatever he's doing.

Your defense of the creature which calls itself "Martin Gibson". "Martin Gibson" admits he vulgarly attacked Jack in a PM (I assume Jack had not first attacked him--may not be a good assumption--only Jack knows.)

Remember what he told Jack 9 Apr 2006 10:54 PM

Jack Off:

"I am not that fictitious. Some people know who I really am You see them agreeing with me and supporting me here all the time. They will protect my identity while I just keep telling pricks like you to eat sh-- and die" (of course he spells it out)

This is while he's being oh so reasonable on the thread.

No doubt this is the kind of sterling citizen you want on Mudcat. One who besides wishing a Mudcatter's child dead, mocking the handicapped, proving himself a vicious stupid bigot and attacking virtually everybody---is also unwilling to take responsibility for any of this. After all it's just an alter ego--not the real person, right?

Fine, if it's not a real person, it will do no harm to ban this alter ego--it won't be banning a real person.

I say again, the moderators have dropped the ball bigtime in doing absolutely nothing about the cesspool which "Martin" creates wherever he goes. By not pulling his cookie---permanently--they have created far more work--in the cesspool-- for themselves.

Just ignore him, you say. Tried that--about 3 weeks. Absolutely no change.

Added to which, all the time he is on Mudcat he is driving good people off it. Among others, he attacks the people who have done the most for our music--Jerry Rasmussen and Art Thieme, for instance. Art was attacked on the basis of not being Jewish enough for "Martin", who evidently claims to set the standard. I know a fair number of people who might disagree.

And where is Bob Deckman? It seems reasonable that "Martin" had something to do with his current absence.

And no doubt he is preventing other good people from coming on--who are deterred by the needlessly foul atmosphere he creates. Far worse than anybody else. Any argument there?


As Bill D and others have pointed out, words DO have meanings--and consequences.    Libel and slander do in fact exist--and laws against them. In fact "Martin" itself is not shy about threatening legal action.   It got right peeved when a poster mentioned pedophilia. But it's just a word, right? Wrong. So much for "Sticks and stones..."

Similarly,"Martin's" words have impact--even if it's just a game to the twisted person behind "Martin". It's time for the game to stop.

Let's be direct about this. It's rank slander to suggest that Max is "Martin".

Max is a wonderful guy who has set up a wonderful site.

"Martin" is doing its best to trash that site.

Consider "Martin"s list of topics (Friday?) which might call forth acrimony--including Bush, Walmart, religion and politics--as usual he (it) is being redundant--in every sense of the word--or perhaps somebody can explain why Bush is not part of politics.

Then the kicker--"anything else controversial"

"anything else controversial"--and therefore worthy of foul-mouthed stupid insult.

We have had on this list:

1) Pete Seeger--PETE SEEGER?
2) The Kingston Trio--anybody who didn't agree they were present at the Creation is WRONG WRONG WRONG
3) Kwanzaa--pretty foul racist remarks--should have been booted off just for those.
4) Gibson or Martin guitars--obviously no other guitars exist. And if you say they do I'll bash my Martins and Gibsons over your head until you give up.

3 of 4 of the these topics are directly music-related. Should have been calmly discussed--it's not exactly Iraq policy. But not with him. In every case, it summoned up vicious--and stupid--vitriol.

For every reasonable post, he has made 10 or more despicable ones. The balance is somewhat negative.

People, give your head a shake. "Martin" is the worst thing to happen to Mudcat at least since 2004--and richly deserves having his cookie yanked permanently--and if possible, banned.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Janie
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:20 PM

Jeri

HEAR HEAR!

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Peace
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 10:55 PM

Like a fuckin' feeding frenzy here.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:08 PM

There are people I respect here, and people I don't. The Minnesota Monster has jumped in and my response to her is "piss off".

Others I am extremely disappointed in. That is my view, and I don't care who likes it.

The fact remains that you are doing EXACTLY what Martin wants you to do.

This is the saddest moment of my time on the Mudcat. You have turned into a lynch mob. The sorry excuse for a person who calls himself Martin, and those like him, have won.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:08 PM

Jack the Sailor and Ron Davies - you are not paying attention to what myself and others have been trying to say.   We are not defending Martins actions or words, we are holding a mirror up and trying to show you that you are using the same tactics, often the same style of words, thread-baiting, first strike postings that you are up in arms about.   You claim Martin is "ruining" Mudcat, yet you fill up volumes of threads with similar assaults (style, not content) and see nothing wrong with that. Foolestroope is comfortable to say "I take full responsibility for acting like a total insensitive arsehole (and thoroughly enjoying it in those circumstances) in the circumstances I have described" yet the prevailing attitude is that everyone is appalled and looking for Martin Gibsons head on a platter. It is hypocritical and Jeri summed it up perfectly - you have become a Mudcat Lynch Mob.

I stand by my prior post - we are all Martin Gibsons, and sorry to disappoint Ron Davies but that is not liberal guilt.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Peace
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:42 PM

"Others I am extremely disappointed in. That is my view, and I don't care who likes it."

Yeah. Well, then, let me ask this:

WHY HAS THIS THREAD NOT BEEN CLOSED OR FUCKIN' DELETED?

There aws a thread that was less offensive in its nature that 'attacked' a moderator here. That was closed or deleted. So what fuckin' gives, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Peace
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:43 PM

Mick: Those remarks were addressed to clones in general--not you in particular. I just figure it all fits someone's agenda. Sure as hell seems like it. FUCK this shit!

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: number 6
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 11:48 PM

Good points Peace!

"Fuck this shit" .... ditto!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,me
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:42 AM

um ... I think anything useful that can be said on this subject has been said, along with a lot that isn't so useful ... any chance we can all just drop this now and move on to other things?

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 04:14 AM

Ron Olesko,

Hold up the mirror as much as you like, I won't see Martin Gibson in it. And no. I am not using the same tactics.I'm calmly talking about someone who is an irritant for many of us. Neither is Ron Davies or any one else. If you are familiar with Martin's history and saying this shame on you. If not, go back and read though his posts so that you'll know what you are saying.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,casual visitor.
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 05:18 AM

This puts me in mind of the 'Ole Wild West'. I guess we should jus take 'ole Martin Gibson' out and hang him from the highest tree we can find. Jus' lissen to yersels...and I s'pose yer all reckon yer is ornery folk. Jus' lissen to yersels.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: skarpi
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 06:35 AM

Who is " Quest " ? why can´t you come out by name ? afraid with what?
you write a big words so you sure coult come out and say your
name ........ I think you are a SAD PERSON.

Other than this my dear friends, IGNORE EVERY POST THAT IS
MADE BY MARTIN GIBSON AND HIS SO CALLED QUEST WHO IS AFRAID TO COME OUT
UNDER HIS/HER NAME , IGNORE EVERY POST WHERE THOSE PERSONS ARE POSTING
IN .

This is the last message that I will put into this thread and it
does not matter what the respons are gonna be , I won´t take any part of any thread where thouse two are involved.

I have just had it...... Mudcat is about Music and matter realatede
to music not about fight between people.

All the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,12 stringstan
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:13 AM

even though I'm only a part time catter, I too am aware of the Martin Gibson Phenomenen. But this thread proves a point. He's not EVEN HERE and there's a whole load of bickering going on??? It's like the priest who is so appalled by the goings on in Brothels he keeps visiting them to re new his disgust. If you Don't like the chap, ignore him. I usually do, but he was brave enough and honest enough to inform possible terrorists where he'll be. Comprende??

hands up who opened this thread because Martin Gibsons name was in the thread title?
how many actually give a fuck that he is going to Europe?

I rest my case
12Ss

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: jacqui.c
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:30 AM

I'm waiting to hear Martin's views on the parts of Europe that he is visiting. I've done some travelling around a number of the countries and would be interested to hear what he thinks of them.

Other than that - I am staying out of the discussion here.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: alanabit
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:40 AM

I hope Martin is treated with kindness, courtesy and respect on his travels. That might make it more likely that those qualities will emerge here.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:42 AM

Peace, why close the thread? Just use your willpower and stay away from it. You have helped Martin Gibson win.

Actually, from a bystander point of view, I thought he was nicer than you anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:44 AM

I sort of agree with the GUEST casual visitor (for a change) inasmuch as the attitude on this thread from people who I considerd knew better reflects the attitude of a lynching party rather than a forum for discussion and debate. How many of you consider yourselves better people than Martin Gibson. He is sure pushing some of your buttons and you are weak enough to let it send you out of your 'normal' thinking patterns. Come on guys....let's think about something else.
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Peace
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:25 AM

"Peace, why close the thread?"

Did you READ the thread, twit? How about close the thread for the following--

"There was [corrected] a thread that was less offensive in its nature that 'attacked' a moderator here. That was closed or deleted."

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:28 AM

Jack the Sailor - "Hold up the mirror as much as you like, I won't see Martin Gibson in it."

That speaks volumes. That is why this discussion is taking place.

"I am not using the same tactics.I'm calmly talking about someone who is an irritant for many of us. Neither is Ron Davies or any one else. If you are familiar with Martin's history and saying this shame on you."

Jack, you and Ron Davies are not the only person posting on Mudcat. I am not speaking directly at you and how you behave. My comments stand. I am familiar with Martin's history but that is not the issue at the moment, although you and others have been spinning it as such. The way people have been handling the issue is our complaint. You may not see it, but this mob is using the same tactics with different words.

Please read some of the other comments. I am not the only one that sees it, yet there only seems to be handful of you that have become the lynch mob.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:30 AM

"Don't tug on Superman's cape,
and you don't mess around with them!"

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Anonny Mouse
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:32 AM

Agreed that his ABSENCE is a source of such. I thought I'd check in on the thread...and whoa. It's like waaaaaaaay long. I'm staying outta the "fight" to as I am pretty new and don't feel I have much to say about things I had nothing to do or any knowledge of. I spose you can call that burying my head in the sand or whatever. Also, when I first came here knowing NOTHING, I was favorably impressed as some of you knew and you all "warned" me...and ol' Bobert figured I was another creation of MG's. Well, I'm not.

I actually WAS interested that he was goin' to Europe in a detached kinda way. Maybe because of his Jewish roots he'll stop by the ruins of Auschwitz or Dachau and see what hatred in its worst most demonic form can lead to. I think actually STANDING on those ruins is different than reading ABOUT them, or watching old news footage on it, which is what most of us get. I've been "lucky" (seems like a poor choice of words) to see it first hand...and I left a different person than I came. Take that for what it's worth. When I wished him well on his trip and encouraged him to get in touch with his roots, that was a part of it. Now maybe he'd say he knows all about this kinda stuff-but that will be one point I'd be willing to debate with him: ya gotta be there, and you feel it. Hard to put into words.If he IS serious about music, he should understand: kinda like hearing a recording of a great concert, versus being in the audience at one (although that is a piss-poor analogy in THIS case, and I know it, so don't have a hissy).

Anyway, to me, this is the kind of negative energy I don't need, and like I said when I first joined up, I'm just not into fights or whatever. Call me naive, call me a dreamer. You're welcome to discount my 2 cents on this whatever y'all want.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:34 AM

I'm not part of the Offical Lynch Mob. I just want to hang Martin for my own personal reasons.


ooooo, er....

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:59 AM

"I'm not part of the Offical Lynch Mob. I just want to hang Martin for my own personal reasons."

Okay, you are a vigilante if that makes you feel better.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:05 AM

Ron/Mick you are very fond of telling us how/what/when we should post. You have more in common with martin than anyone else here. As do the others who think like you. You can't accept others opposing opinions (if they oppose with your own.)

I find the sychophancy towards him a great deal more disturbing than any criticism of him. But I wouldn't dream of telling you not to post it.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:20 AM

"Ron/Mick you are very fond of telling us how/what/when we should post. You have more in common with martin than anyone else here. As do the others who think like you. You can't accept others opposing opinions"

Again, you are using the same tactics that you blame Martin for. Instead of countering the points we make, you choose to attack us. You say that we do not accept others opposing opinions - but are you? Mick and I are not alone in what we are witnessing. Read this lengthy thread and you will see that.

I am not telling you what to post, I am asking you to think about it. I am writing my observations on what I see taking place.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:12 AM

Well, danged. In my self righteous posts yesterday I forgot to ask myself beforehand how I was going to feel about it later. The fact is that it soured the rest of my day.

I still don't necessarily understand or agree with others' take on this but I am willing to grant that my take on it is not necessarily the wisest - judging by the taste on my tongue I wasn't wise at all.

My apologies to everyone for my ill nature. In the course of our lives we all meet many variants of characters. Some we love, some we shun. Some we try to understand, some we give up on. That's life- and that's good enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:23 AM

Ron yet again you have a problem with what others choose to post. I have countered your point. I have said that I am as free to post what I wish as you are.

The difference being I don't feel the need to ask you to stop and think about what you are doing. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am.

I have said that the sychophancy sickens me more than the criticism. We don't agree. You continue the sychophancy and let others continue the criticism.

Your and mick's opinion is no more valid than others. Yet you genuinely believe they are the only opinions worth reading.

Neither of you can control 'martin's' racism/mysogyny/homophobia. And you also can't control how others react to it. With the two of you on that horse it is beginning to sag.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:29 AM

Thank you for making my point. I have given my opinion. You don't like it so you endlessly point it out. The opinion isn't the point with you, it is that I posted it. The "Minnesota Twins" don't really care about the issue, it is about the poster.

I reiterate. Martin lays out the bait, you all take it. Martin is one problem. I would have barred him long ago, but it ain't my call. The other problem, just as big, is the feed you all give him and his kind.

My opinion, "Twin". I am just as entitled as you are to post it. Don't like it? I don't care.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:39 AM

Ebbie, when you're angry, I still respect you, like you, and pay attention to you. I DID ask myself if I was doing the same thing as everyone else. I don't think I was anywhere close, but stepping back for a bit to think about what one is doing is a good thing. And I never did see you as part of the 'lynch mob'. Discussing's a whole lot different than lynching.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:40 AM

Sorry Guest, you are being way too sensitive. Yet again you fail to read what I am saying. No one is trying to control what you say or do. If you feel that someone expressing an opinion that differs from you is a problem, then you may need to get over yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:54 AM

Ron when you stop telling others how/when/what to respond to hell will freeze over. In the meantime carry on. You obviously need to for some bizaare reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:57 AM

Mick unlike you I wouldn't ban martin. I know that he makes you feel powerless and that bugs the life out of you.

I would rather he post his opinions and others be allowed to respond without your interference.

But that would take an awful lot of self control on your part.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:07 PM

I hope Martin is treated with kindness, courtesy and respect on his travels. That might make it more likely that those qualities will emerge here. -Alanabit

I agree 100 percent with this sentiment. I see that a lot of people here are treating Martin with courtesy and goodwill. I applaud them for it.

I see Ron Olesko acting as a surrogate for MG on this thread, I'll no longer be rising to his bait.

Ron Olesko. We are not all Martin Gibsons any more than we are all Big Mick's, Ron Oleskos or Alanabits. Saying that we are all "Martin Gibsons" was just an easy way for you to obliquely insult people and stir up an argument. Since you are now saying that you are familiar with his bad acts and still want to put everyone here on that level, I have no reason to talk to you and no interest in what you have to say. I'll be ignoring your posts from now on as I do Martins.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:16 PM

Jeri, bless you!

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Janie
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:37 PM

Random musings--

The Serenity Prayer

Grant me the Serenity to accept the things I can not change,
(I can't control what other people think, feel or do)
The Courage to change the things I can,
(I can change my own thoughts, feelings, behaviors)
And the Wisdom to know the difference.
(And the wisdom is the most difficult part to come by.)



One definition of insanity is 'doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'




If what you are doing works, do more of it.
If what you are doing doesn't work, stop doing it.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:52 PM

Jack & Guest, it just isn't worth it. You will never "get it". When you stop spinning peoples words and attacking the individual, then maybe there will be room for discussion.

The mirror is always open.

Nuff said.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,MN Mon :)
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:53 PM

Damn! I was goin' for the 200th post and I missed it.

But let me take this opportunity to weigh in and say I think the actual 200th post nailed the definition of Mudcat insanity, fer sure!

And let me just say that, after a cursory scroll down of this thread, you people are seriously fucked up.

From the day MG came to this place, I've ignored him. But then, I don't have any trouble ignoring trolls like the rest of you so obviously do. I guess that's what makes this place troll paradisio.

Oh, the only other sane comment I read in my cursory once over of this thread was the comment about the caliber of people who used to inhabit this place (Arlo Guthrie used to post here too), and the caliber of people who are the "Left Behind People" as a folkie neighbor of mine who lurks here now and then refers to you monkeys.

I wouldn't call this thread a lynch mob (though I am heartened that the clones perceive it as such--maybe they have good reason to feel so threatened). I'd call it an uprising against what has become the status quo since catspaw, Jeri, katlaughing, Big Mick and Joe Offer took on the job of forum moderation.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:06 PM

That's right Ron. We will never get it....the 'get it' being your take on life, (of course, because as we are all painfully aware by now there is no other.)

Now save your energy for the sychophancy and leave others to express their opinions without you feeling the burning desire to tell us to 'stop and think.'

Control your own thoughts/emotions/responses and don't criticise us for ours. That last sentiment applies to anyone who percieves they possess the ability to tell others how to do it and when to do it.

The arrogance displayed by those who do the above severely limits their ability to look at anything objectively. Which is why they can never recognise it. Which is also why they are least equipped to moderate a forum.

Martin is a big boy ; he doesn't need banning or defending.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:11 PM

"the 'get it' being your take on life, (of course, because as we are all painfully aware by now there is no other.)"

Give it a rest Guest. You keep using the same tactic and it just doesn't work. When you can't come up with a legitimate response to someones point of view, you end up attacking the person making the statement. When you can't sway the opinion back into your way of thinking you launch a personal attack.   It looks like Martin Gibson is not alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:16 PM

I give you the last word on a silver platter as it means so much to you. Your contribution to this thread, along with mick's, has been to judge what others post. Please carry on the stirling job.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:18 PM

see what I mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:32 PM

Ebbie said it:

". . . I forgot to ask myself beforehand [before she posted] how I was going to feel about it later. The fact is that it soured the rest of my day."

I live a few blocks from a fairly large in-city park. There are lots of crows that perch in the trees around here (they all play the oboe very badly–and they only know one note). Sometimes their squawking can get downright annoying. But what am I going to accomplish by yelling back at them, other than merely making myself look and feel foolish?

The only person I can censor is me.

And I've spent about fifteen minutes this morning reading the latest posts here and typing this. That's fifteen minutes of my life that I'll never get back.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:34 PM

Ron Davies - You said that it is rank slander to suggest that Max is Martin. Since I was the one that asked the question, I think it is my right to defend it. Slander of Max was not my intention. Since I had never met Max and because he allows Martin to continue his "racism/mysogyny/homophobia", I thought it might be possible that they were one in the same. Considering the amount of controversy Martin creates, it is not unreasonable to wonder if Max might have developed an alter ego to enhance the number of hits to this site. From all accounts, they are not the same person and I apologize to Max for entertaining the thought.

Big Mick and Ron Olesko - There is not one comment on this thread that is racist, sexist or homophobic. I don't see how you can equate any of the postings on this thread to Martin's posts. Arguing or insulting someone I can overlook, but when someone expresses their opinions of others in a destructive manner, I have two choices; ignore it or speak up.

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. You can't blame someone for fighting fire with fire when nothing else seems to work. I have been guilty of doing just that, after I have been attacked by Martin. Most of his comments about me have been completely 'out of the blue" and once in awhile I get fed up with it.

If you are one of Martin's fans, bully for you. Keep supporting him and wishing him well and it only confirms his point of view. Obviously many of you support Martin's right to free speech. I don't think he has a right to slander me or anyone else. His freedom ends where mine begins.

You are no better than the little cowards who stand around cheering as he bullies others. If Martin didn't have your support, he would not have so much power. Lets face, many of you enjoy the fact that Martin voices feelings that you are too timid to express. I feel nothing but disgust for the ugly character of Martin Gibson and disrespect for those of you who defend him.