BS: Cat lovers...advise please

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 06 - 12:18 PM

Prove it.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 May 06 - 10:59 AM

Half you age?!?!

I hope I'm not that old....

And like being old somehow excuses someone from being wrong.....

Whatever... go back to 'believeing what you want', or 'knowing what you know' or whatever it was kept you quiet

Cause, you're just wrong on this subject....

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: kendall
Date: 06 May 06 - 02:43 PM

Maybe not to a piss ant half my age and experience.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 06 May 06 - 01:18 PM

>>That possum was lucky, and that cat was lucky. They could have done damage either way.<<

I think both acknowledged that about the other and just decided it was best to part ways amicably. Animals are smarter than people, after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 May 06 - 01:02 PM

"I know what I know."

That's as may be, but it's not worth a hill of fart

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 May 06 - 01:09 AM

That possum was lucky, and that cat was lucky. They could have done damage either way.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 05 May 06 - 06:03 PM

One of the weirdest things I ever saw was about 3 or 4 summers ago. I opened the backdoor one warm night for some reason and poked my head out. There is a motion-activated lamp on the porch and it kicked on and illuminated the front of the garage. There was my cat nose-to-nose with a very large possum. No hostility. They were sniffing each other in curiosity and I caught them at the right moment. If only I'd had a camera. Neither was prepared to attack the other and after a moment, the possum padded away into the shadows of the backyard rather jauntily and my cat followed right behind him like he does with any cat that comes into the yard. About a half-hour later, he pawed at the front door so I let him in. He jumped up on the couch and laid down and acted like nothing unusual had happened and I suppose it wasn't for him but I found it rather unusual and humorous. It makes wonder what things my cat has seen while on his peregrinations.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 May 06 - 05:50 PM

If you have a good vet they can do wonders. Our vet uses some "home remedies" and I admit he did a pretty fair job getting our oldest cat to accept a new kitten. He had always accepted other cats before but there was something in this new one he didn't like. So when I asked the vet, he had an idea which I thought was wacky as hell.

The older cat had a serious issue of some sort with the new kitten and he became lethargic and we thought there was something seriously wrong.   I called the vet about it and the doc suggested a 1/2 teaspoon of gasoline fer chrissake!!! I admit that I thought the guy was nuts, but it did work, sorta. It ain't too easy to get a half teaspoon of gasoline down a cat's throat, but when I did, he liked to tore me to shreds getting away. He blasted around the room, knocked the little kitten down, about 3 or 4 times, ran up the hallway, up the stairs, back down both, and into the den, leaped on the drapes and ran to the end of the curtain rod. From there he leaped down and ran right to me and instead of the kitten and licked me for 3 or 4 minutes. Suddenly he stopped and fell on his side on the floor, lying very, very still......... I thought I'd killed the poor thing, but it turns out he'd just run out of gas.












Sorry.........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: kendall
Date: 05 May 06 - 05:13 PM

Maybe I'm not being clear enough. I believe I said that cats can be trained to live with other cats. However, it is NOT natural.
I've seen countless cats that are never allowed out of the house, and I've never seen a sane one!
The are hunters and wanderers, when robbed of that liberty,
Oh hell, believe what you will. I know what I know.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 04 May 06 - 07:28 PM

The one thing not being taken into account here is the home itself and its owners.

Cats tend to adopt something of their owners' personalities. So some take to other cats while some don't. My cat is territorial and challenges any cat who comes around. If he sees a cat in the yard, he immediately wants to go out and not to say hi either. He's come in with big swatches of fur missing from his paw, head, back, tail, breast--he don't care. I'll let him outside and then I'll hear a cat-fight 10 minutes later. He's rowdy. Like me, he wants the place to himself and isn't about to share it with anybody.

But the lady next door, as I said, has cats and she has that cat-person air about her. She'll come out on her porch and he'll be sitting on one her porch chairs grooming but she never gets mad or shoos him away and he'll let her pet him. He doesn't submit to that from people usually. So she could probably take him in if she wanted to but there is no way he'd ever let most people near him. I can't even get a finger on him when he doesn't want me to.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 May 06 - 04:42 PM

"the rule is that domestic cats prefer to be the only cat in the house"
Bzzzzt! Wrong

"
Living in a house IS a natural condition for a housecat"
'Zactly!

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Becca72
Date: 03 May 06 - 04:41 PM

Living in a house IS a natural condition for a housecat, father. Which is why I made mention of the feral cat colonies that exist(even in the wild they live somewhat together)...there is no such thing as a wild housecat, unless it's a squatter of some sort.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 06 - 04:29 PM

I'm beginning to wonder if there is some special Morse code that will help these two agree to disagree about cat behavior?

;-D

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: kendall
Date: 03 May 06 - 04:17 PM

Daughter dear, you are missing my point. I don't care how many cats you have had living in unnatural conditions. I said they can adjust to unnatural conditions, but,

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 06 - 12:43 PM

When my one cat made a fuss about the other cat (stray) being outside on the windowsill (see story at the beginning) he was making happy, playful sounds. Inviting us to invite her in, so to speak. He was pleased to have her here, and though there still was a period of adjustment, it wasn't difficult at all. They don't always hang out together, but it has been my observation that they are often in the same room together, or seem to know where the other one is. They have radar that keeps track of each other. They play, and they share the bed, but they don't usually sleep right against each other.

Now the dogs, that's something different. You know they're great pals by the way they charge around, bark at each other, and look like they're trying to tear off each other's heads or chew off a limb. :)

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 03 May 06 - 08:54 AM

Hard one to call, both of you have a point. There cases for both sides of this debate.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Becca72
Date: 03 May 06 - 08:43 AM

Let me ask the question, father, how many domestic cats have you shared your house with? My count is up to 10, working on 11 and this is the longest period of time I've had only one...and he's miserable (I know this by the crying, following me around and blocking the door when I try to leave)...the others have come and gone at various times, not always together as kittens, too.
I realize the Discovery Channel may not totally agree with me, but I am working on almost 30 years of cat ownership experience. Just admit I MIGHT know what I'm talking about.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: kendall
Date: 02 May 06 - 08:04 PM

No dear, you are the exception. the rule is that domestic cats prefer to be the only cat in the house. They can, and do adjust to the meddling of humans.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Mo the caller
Date: 02 May 06 - 07:24 PM

I've only ever kept one cat at a time, but our first cat came from the same litter as the cat that lived across the road, and they used to play together (two neutered toms). When Scamper had to be put down Kipper came looking for him, obviously missed him.
OTOH 2 cats living near my daughter that looked like brothers started coming in through the flap (installed by previous owner of house). One seemed to be bullied by the other, and decided it would move in. So it did, and now sleeps on the bed or sofa 23hours a day.
We've just adopted an abandoned cat, couldn't resist him. He came on March 17th so is called "Pat the Cat"

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From:
Date: 02 May 06 - 05:54 PM

Divis, I've noticed the undertow around here..hehe. Kendall is my father, actually, and as you can see I was lucky enough to inherit his stubborn streak. :-) I love him with all my heart and value his opinion and I also like a good argument!

Breton,
I will be certain to keep mine away from you...sorry to hear about the allergies...my sister suffers the same and also sees cats as too "aloof" for her liking. She instead has a dog that runs head first into the slider, full speed...SO uncool. A cat would never!

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Dave Earl
Date: 02 May 06 - 05:26 PM

Sorry cat lovers but my advice is to keep them away from me.

I'm allergic and they make I sneeze.

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 02 May 06 - 05:05 PM

Welcome to mudcat Becca, often threads end up going of their course. I have had cats like yourself for many many years and they are great pets. Hope all works out for you

Seamus.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Becca72
Date: 02 May 06 - 04:48 PM

We're not talking about wildlife, we're talking about domestic housecats. I have no idea how 2 bears would get on in my apartment together, but I do know a little something about cats, having owned many over the last 30 years..

And that certain lady with 4 cats is the exception, not the rule. I know many many more multiple cat households that don't have any problems at all. A co-worker of mine also has 4 cats and they adore each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: kendall
Date: 02 May 06 - 04:42 PM

Becca, we both know a certain lady who has 4 cats. They hate each other. They fight all the time and one of them pisses on anything that she wants to lay claim to.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: kendall
Date: 02 May 06 - 04:39 PM

So, who's the wildlife expert here?

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Becca72
Date: 02 May 06 - 01:23 PM

I did not break the "rules of nature", I broke the "rules of circumstance" by having more than one housecat.
Feral cats have the liberty to roam and yet they still choose to form colonies...they're not forced into it, which says to me that they like the company of others.
I have had adult cats in the past and brought other adult cats into the fold and after a transition period they all got along fine. Another time the existing cat went psycho and screamed like a fire engine every time the new cat entered the room. Circumstances were different than the current situation because of the age of the animals and the personalities, etc. I'm not saying that my cat feels love in the same way I do, but he feels something or he wouldn't show affection (in a cat-like way) to me or another cat the way that he does. He'd just hang out and sleep and wait for the food dish to be filled.
I have to laugh at people who don't give animals enough credit.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: EBarnacle
Date: 02 May 06 - 01:12 PM

Be very careful about adopting a feral cat. You are asking them to completely change their behavior as well as their life style. I have been in situations where feral cats were asked to live with housecats as potential adoptees. 'Tweren't pretty. Much better to work with a cat who has learned to live indoors unless you wish to intend to allow Felix to be an in and out cat.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Kaleea
Date: 02 May 06 - 01:11 PM

Becca--
   I've had this dilemma many times over the years. Most of the time, I had success. I usually get a little kitty somewhere around 6-12 mos. Nowadays, there are lots of things the experts suggest which help, tho back in the day, I never got extra litter boxes cause I never had the $$, but it's a good thing to do in the beginning. It's good use a different dish for the new kitty as the new kitty should have kitten food, & you pretty much have to try to feed the kitten away from the older one, or just sigh & let them both have it cause the kitten needs to eat several times a day.
Here's the thing--I would dab a little bit of cologne on the butt of both kitties! (on the very top of the tail) I did this each day. Usually, it was Old Spice, as that was what my then husband used. This helped the kitties think that they were the same & accept each other. You also need to help them out by showing them both lots of affection, especially the original kitty. Your small apt certainly complicates things so that they will see each other constantly, as well as any attention you give the other. Just do the best you can.
Critters who are loved usually respond in kind, & I do believe that we can set an example for our critters-yes, even cats.
   Good Luck!

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: kendall
Date: 02 May 06 - 12:45 PM

I knew logic wouldn't work.

Feral cats have the liberty to roam. House cats are stuck in a small area. That makes a difference.
What do you think would happen if you had a grown cat and tried to bring in another cat?

What I was saying is, under normal conditions, that is, one cat, is quite happy to be the only child. It's natural. However, Becca broke the rules of nature by having two cats. Now the survivor is suddenly alone and has never had to deal with being alone.

I still say it will adjust given the time.
I have to laugh at people who apply human values to animals.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 May 06 - 10:48 AM

You'll see barn cats that hang out in groups. They may not be as cohesive as lions on the veldt, but they're still social. The dynamic of wild cats and what happens to kittens of a competitive male is pretty harsh, house cats don't seem to enact those dominance roles.

My female is younger and fat. She still defers to the older male cat at the food dish, but she makes more trips back when he isn't there. :)

When they want to be alone they'll go to different rooms of the house. When they want to be together they seem to start their swat and pounce game on the foot of my bed in the middle of the night.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: JudyB
Date: 02 May 06 - 10:37 AM

Our two were adopted as kittens within a week of each other, and don't get along very well - we chose them from two different shelters because they were both outgoing and looked as if they might be a bit high-maintenance, which might make them harder to place. What we didn't consider is that that meant that both wanted to be the primary (or possibly only) cat in the house. They also have very different styles - one is a snuggler and the other a rough-houser. They've worked it out - each has her own part of the house where the other treads warily, and there's occasionally some hissing or a chase scene when they're both in the yard, but no overt combat.

On the other hand, we had a third cat for several years - a stray they adopted, and we took in once we discovered that they had no problems with his presence. The little cat that claimed the bedroom let him sleep on the foot of the bed. The slightly larger rough and tumble cat would pounce on him occasionally, leading to some rough play that didn't seem to do any harm to either.

I think he fit in because, even though he outweighed the other two combined once he recovered from being half-starved, he saw himself as a very junior member of the pack, and deferred to his big sisters.

So the moral of all this - I think there's one here somewhere - is to think about your cat's personality and play habits, and work with the folks who have your current first choice to see if it seems a good fit, or (if they're a shelter or someplace with a number of cats) if they have another cat they think might fit in better with yours.

Our highly independent pair didn't seem to miss the big guy when he passed away (we knew all along that he had some health issues, not dangerous to the other two but likely to shorten his life), and we have no plans to replace him - unless our other two show up with another stray and ask if they can keep him!

But another cat seems a good choice in your case - especially if you can find one that seems a good personality match.

Good luck!
JudyB

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 May 06 - 10:18 AM

The extent to which adult cats enjoy each others' company is largely a function of how they were socialized with people (and/or other pet cats) as kittens. When we adopt them as kittens, we actually get them partially stuck in kittenhood in their socialization. Those tend to be the ones that sleep together, wash each other/accept the other's washing attention, and play together. So this may be a factor in deciding on either kitten or an adult cat as a newcomer; unless of course the adult has been kittenized elsewhere.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 02 May 06 - 09:53 AM

I remember, many years ago, visiting the house of a 'bird doctor' in the Manchester area. This bloke took in injured wild birds and nursed them back to health. He was such an expert that even the RSPCA brought him injured wild birds to care for. There were kestrels on the picture rail in the back room, herring gulls in the lounge, little owls in the hall and even a barn owl in the toilet!
Amazingly, he also had at least two cats! I asked him how he stopped the cats attacking the birds and he said, "when a newcomer arrives we just introduce it to all the other creatures in the house and we never seem to have any trouble".
So perhaps it's as simple as that - just introduce the cats to each other and they should get on ...

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 02 May 06 - 09:51 AM

Cats have complex brains, and where there is complexity, there is variation. Some cats may be loners, but others are sociable towards other cats.

For example, the literature says that a male cat pays no attention to its kittens. But we used to have a Siamese whose father always helped take care of its kittens.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: GUEST,G
Date: 02 May 06 - 09:25 AM

Becca, get another one - I just finished a series of emails with a company I consider about the best pet info and food provider on the planet. My premise was for a person wanting a new kitten to get two. They keep each other company, their playing togehter is entertaining and two cats are not half the work of one dog. (The only time "they suck" is during the nursing stage when they are very young.)

Have 'cat sat' a couple times for a friends two cats that grew up together and they are a riot. A little disconcerting when they charged into the bedroom at 1 AM and jump up and over the bed. You can either roll over and go back to sleep or close the door.

The cat food company's feeling was cats "are loners" and don't need company. I feel that was based on the days when there was someone at the house all day. My other statement to them was than when they did get older, that there would be a doorstop for BOTH the front and the back doors. No response on that comment.

Love dogs but I travel extensively and kennel charges are so high. Rather give that money to a humane society.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: artbrooks
Date: 02 May 06 - 09:15 AM

We have had 3 at a time for twenty years or more and, when one left us (usually of old age), we have always gone down to the pound and gotten a 4-6 month old kitten...without much regard to its sex or that of the others in the family. We introduce the new one by bringing it into the house (after a stop at the vet for exam and shots) and letting it loose. No kennel, no room separation, just cold turkey. There have never been any problems expect, once in a while, a brief episode of kitten-under-the-bed.

Female dominance? Not always. Abby, our most recent kitten, is now two. She always defers to the others (both male), even to the extent of letting them eat her food.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Becca72
Date: 02 May 06 - 08:51 AM

Not to argue, but I've had housecats most of my life (remember Harold in the Barbie van? hehe) and I do see that they benefit from the company of other cats, and actually enjoy it very much. I know the "experts" will disagree, but I've experienced it first hand many times, having had 10 cats so far in my life. And they don't simply tolerate each other...they groom each other, play and sleep together, etc. While they may not have the "pack mentality" of dogs or other animals, feral cats do form colonies...they just don't have the power structure of a pack.

It's been 2 months since the older cat passed, and his behavior is getting worse, not better and I know it's because he's lonely and/or bored. Since I can't quit my job to stay home and play with him all day, the best solution to the problem is another cat.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: kendall
Date: 02 May 06 - 08:30 AM

I hate to drag logic into this, but the fact is, the only species of cat that lives in groups is the Lion. It is not natural for house cats to have companions. They want the whole house for themselves, and in groups they will piss on everything to show their displeasure.

Dogs, on the other hand, are pack animals and they love company.

My advice would be, let the cat get over the loss of its mother, and in time it will adjust to the normality of the situation. In the meantime, lavish lots of affection on the one you have, and give it time to adjust. You created an unnatural situation to which the remaining cat became accustomed, but things will return to normal if you give it time.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: LadyJean
Date: 01 May 06 - 11:43 PM

When Solomon was 8, we acquired a kitten named Ocelittle ( as opposed to Ocelot, which she wasn't.) The next day Sol went out and brought us a nice dead squirrel to show us that we didn't need that little pipsqueak. He endured a certain amount of pestering, until Ocelittle turned 1, then he chased her around the house, to make sure she knew who was boss, and they became friends. Cats do have dominance issues. I think it has to do with size and age. While the oldest cat is the alpha kitty as a rule, he explains this to the youner cats as soon as their size begins to match his or hers.
My present pair are going on 2 and going on 1. I have cat fights on my lap. It's interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 01 May 06 - 07:23 PM

>>Give me a DOG any day! Cats SUCK. Sorry--but they do.<<

I've had dogs all my life and I love dogs. I've never had a cat before and didn't think I liked them but I bought this one because I had mice--he got rid of them. I'm amazed by their speed, balance and agility. They can leap from the floor to the small hole in the screen mesh of the door and pass through it with ease. Extremely keen senses. He's loving, rowdy, very smart, very clean. He can take care of himself. I never worry about him. He is totally self-sufficient. I never worry about him being run over when he's outside because he won't even sit on the sidewalk when a car goes by--very flighty. Not friendly so you'll never get a hand on him if he doesn't know you.

The problem with a dog is they have to be fed regularly. I was in Wisconsin all last week so I locked the cat in and left out extra food and water for him. I came home after 4 days and 3 nights and he was perfectly fine, plenty of food still left out, used his litterbox like always, didn't destroy anything. That's something you really can't and shouldn't do with a dog. But dogs are superb burglary and intruder alert systems and are not too shabby at catching mice either. So, to me, take your pick.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 01 May 06 - 07:03 PM

I must be lucky. My cat is about 5 and has never peed or pooped anywhere but his box and I don't have to clean it everyday either. Maybe once or twice a week. He's never sprayed. I never housebroke him. He just knew to use the litter box, not sure how that works. He has the run of the house, sleeps on the sofa or my bed, and I let him out whenever he wants out which is usually at night. I think about getting another cat but one is handful as it is. I'm not sure how he'd react either since he has always been alone. He spends most of his outdoor time on the neighbor's porch staring at her cats. She has three beautiful fluffy cream-colored cats--obviously female (he's totally black). They're always indoors and sit on the sill all stuffy and regal like they own the damn place. And my cat jumps up on the sill and paws at them and rubs his head against the glass. He's fixed so that's strange. The females don't appear to react one way or the other. From what I see, cats that grew up with another cat in the house for several years generally need the companionship. If one dies, you pretty much have to replace it. If the cat is a loner, it's probably best that it stays a loner.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From:
Date: 01 May 06 - 06:56 PM

Sins,
I have a feeling Alice would scare the hell out of my Madmardigan...he only weighs in at 8lbs and is pretty timid...she could take him, easy! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 01 May 06 - 06:40 PM

The above is the behaviour of young cats. Bet we can all look back on what our children did in their young years ! My two are out each night and sleep indoors all day, so no problems like you have sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 May 06 - 06:19 PM

Becca - want to have Alice for a visit????

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 01 May 06 - 06:03 PM

They may be dominant but they're slightly less likely to piss on some odd corner or piece of furniture if they're annoyed about something. - Want to bet? Queens will also spray to mark territory, and they will pee in corners to show their disapproval of certain situations (like being ignored)... been there, done that, cleaned the rugs many MANY times.....

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 May 06 - 05:49 PM

Be sure the litter box is very clean, and lock the errant cat and her box and some nice bedding in a kennel at night. Probably need to keep her in her owner's bedroom and not down in the kitchen so she doesn't feel abandoned. Give her some extra attention also, because she probably is jealous. Kennels can be purchased in the US for about $50 for a nice sized one, don't know what that works out to in pounds. I have one that is collapsible and is handy for if I have to take them somewhere in the truck because it goes in the camper and is big enough for their box and a little leg stretching when needed.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 01 May 06 - 05:44 PM

My daughter could also do with some advice. She and her house mate have two cats which they have had from kittens (same litter). Until recently everything was fine but then one of the cats (her flat mates) had kittens. Natashas cat has now taken to peeing everywhere including on her bed. I suggested she shut her into the kitchen at night but the other cat and kittens are given the run of the house so her flat mate won't agree to the kitchen door being shut as her cats could not then reach the litter tray. I assume the cat is reacting to the new kittens but Natasha is getting desperate especially as the washer packed in and she is changing bed linen almost daily! Any suggestions??

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 01 May 06 - 04:48 PM

Ever notice how some people are quick to say, oh I don't like cats, can't stand them. Rare to hear people say that about other pets.

Anonny Mouse, sorry you don't like them because of their behaviour. There are a lot of people fit that profile too.

Prefer cats to a lot of people that come to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Becca72
Date: 01 May 06 - 04:17 PM

Anonny Mouse,
How is this helpful to the thread? I did, after all, ask for cat lovers suggestions. To quote Thumper's mother, "if you can't say nothin' nice, don't say nothin' at all".

Subject: RE: BS: Cat lovers...advise please
From: Anonny Mouse
Date: 01 May 06 - 03:27 PM

Cats are weird. Sorry. MHO having a good friend who was a "cat lady." Oh yeah--great. They jumped on the dinner table, nibbled at flowers there, went around "rubbing" everyone and "MEEEEEYOWWWWWING" like they were in heat, and caused my lovely wife (allergic to Cat dander) to go into mild allergic anaphalactic shock every time we visited. Soon, we had to stop...only me stopping by--I was not allergic. I know there are cat people and dog people. Give me a DOG any day! Cats SUCK. Sorry--but they do.