BS: Where are we now?

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 May 06 - 07:34 PM

"All movements start somewhere."

Try Senna Pods.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 May 06 - 07:32 PM

All movements start somewhere.

Your own blog might be a better place.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 04 May 06 - 07:28 PM

'common sense approach' ... ???

This thread is in the BS.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 May 06 - 06:51 PM

"I've been away for a while but pop in from time to time to check out the mood and it has seemed to be business as usual from everyone here."

So, since you are convinced that no-one wants to 'see the light' and be converted to your 'correct' way of thought, why are you wasting your valuable time here, unless you are just trying to feed your martyr complex?


"Immigration"

"What matters is that they are breaking the law that currently exists and they must be caught and punished."

I agree totally and the simple answer to that IS

"if the government would just enforce the laws that are on the books then the issue wouldn't be what it is now."

BUT...

"The U.S. can't make illegal immigrants legal without paying them the same wages that U.S. citizens are entitled to. "

Of course it can - just make slavery legal again... the US has said 'sod off' to the UN and their human rights nonsense, so what's the problem?


"Oil and Gas prices"

To achieve enlightenment about the long term matter of fossil fuel resources, go suck on an empty straw. :-)


"Upcoming elections"

"The days are over where you can get back into office by saying ' He's doing a bad job. He's no good.' It's been tried in the presidential races the last two times and the congressional races since '94."

That didn't work for kicking Clinton out either, so the "lets smear everything with shit" approach was tried - was it 'Liberals' who were 'obsessed' then? :-)


"War on Terror"

I do believe that the more elderly are now eagerly being accepted for enlistment... when are you going to show us the sincerity of your alleged convictions?

"We have the most technologically advanced military in the world."

The US (with the most technologically advanced military in the world then) got its arse kicked in Vietnam, and (IMO) will do so again in Iraq now still with the most technologically advanced military in the world (it's difficult to defeat a bull ant nest with a sledge hammer - it doesn't stop the ants in the long term, you CAN pound the crap out of the nest if that makes you feel good, though!). There were Right Wing Nutters who wanted to use "The Bomb" then, and also those still who want to do the same thing now...

The reason WHY for the invertible arse kicking is arrogant refusal to stop fantasising about the self importance of the USA to 'the destiny of the world' - you are all privileged to be living thru a rerun of 'The Last Days of The Roman Empire - Part II'.



"Somewhere I read the suggestion we should make Mexico our 51st state."

Already been beaten to that by Australia, and the FTA (F@@@ The Aussies)!


"In fact, I'd love it if somebody tried to explain why my ideas wouldn't work."

The explanation is simply this:

The simplistic mind that only sees the world in a simple black and white way is incapable of understanding (and even wanting to understand) a more subtle way of thinking in shades of grey. It's pointless even trying to show a movie in colour if all you have is a B&W tv set.

"the time for whining and complaining is over. The only way to move forward is to look to the ideas and to move on from there."

I couldn't agree with you more... but for totally antagonistic reasons as you and I see things from different viewpoints - you are inside the aquarium, and I am outside it!


Oh, BTW, Susu's Hubby

"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: Bobert
Date: 04 May 06 - 06:25 PM

First of all, Martin, haha... Hubby doesn't upset me... I find him amusin'... Kinda like you... I'm sure Mick does, as well... Hubby is too much a characture to take seriously... Kinda like you.... You know, no real thoughts of his own...Kinda like you, Marty...

Secondly, I knew you couldn't stay away from yer scatelogical infactuations forever... Back to the Betty Ford Clinic for Marty...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 May 06 - 05:57 PM

Hey there hybby. welcome back with your common sense approach that is so refreshing.

It was good to see it upset the likes of big mick and bobert. there responses were nothing short of babbling.   the only movements that start with them are of the bowel variety.

grunt

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: Bobert
Date: 04 May 06 - 05:41 PM

I see that bumper-sticker-mentality hubby is back to his usual crap... Must have gotten some RNC-bumper-stick-mentality-campaign-literature in the mail today...

What utter tripe...

I agree with others, Hubby... I you have anything of interest to add to thses isssues there plenty of ***existing*** threads for you to use to show off yer.....

....ahhhhhh.....

....bumper sticker mentality...

BTW, one all 4 issues you have parroted the RNC's propaganda/positions almost word for word...

Great job at indepnenent thought, pal...

As for what you had to say about me???




























Bite me!!!

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 04 May 06 - 02:23 PM

Mick,

If you don't like it then don't post a reply. It's really as simple as that. I'm sorry that you can't understand that concept.

Dianavan,

Please re-read my message again. If you read carefully, the existing law and then the law quote later at the end are referring to the same law. I'm just taking a jab at the tree-huggers. It's called reading comprehension. Keep practicing. You'll get better at it. I promise.

So, now, was it my ideas or the things listed that Bush has accomplished considered as "tripe"?

If you are referring to my ideas, then ok, they're my own personal feelings. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I think that mine and a few others make the most common sense rather than others that I see here. As a matter of fact, I really don't see others opinions very often because it's all either whining about what Bush is doing or whining about what Bush has done. Bobert is one of the few who actually take the time to list other alternatives or opinions and actually attempt to back them up. I respect him for that. We may be on complete opposite ends of the spectrum but I still have a healthy dose of respect for his views. He's funny too!

To tell you the truth, I could care less about what people think about me or my ideas. But that doesn't mean that my ideas won't work.
In fact, I'd love it if somebody tried to explain why my ideas wouldn't work. My point is that the time for whining and complaining is over. The only way to move forward is to look to the ideas and to move on from there. Some may say, "this is only a music message board so why waste my time here talking about things that aren't going to change anyway." If you feel that way, then stop posting messages to the political threads.

All movements start somewhere. It might as well be here.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: dianavan
Date: 03 May 06 - 02:38 PM

Jaze - Maybe Mexico doesn't want to become the 51st state.

Susu's Hubby - First you say, "What matters is that they are breaking the law that currently exists and they must be caught and punished. If the punishment is going back to the country from which they came, then so be it. It's the law."

Then you say, "...so that a law could be written that would actually be enforced."

What law could be written that is easier to enforce than the law that currently exists?

If the U.S. citizens that hire illegal immigrants at dirt wages wanted the law to be enforced, it would be enforced.

Trouble is, who would clean their toilets?

The U.S. economy could not prosper without the cheap labour of illegal immigrants.

The U.S. can't make illegal immigrants legal without paying them the same wages that U.S. citizens are entitled to.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: Kaleea
Date: 03 May 06 - 02:38 PM

The people of Mexico might not desire to governed by dubblepew bush, aka, "the decider."

I can just hear it now, "If Mexico is now our 51st state, then I can go down there & get some groovey drugs since they are now legal. Let's see, shall I begin with heroin or cocaine?"

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: jaze
Date: 03 May 06 - 02:06 PM

Somewhere I read the suggestion we should make Mexico our 51st state. This would solve the illegal immigrant problem, Mexico is our largest oil supplier, so that should help gas prices and we'd gain great resorts, and have a smaller southern border. Makes sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: alanabit
Date: 03 May 06 - 01:12 PM

As a former Tax Officer, I just want to point out the intrisinc absurdity of the phrase, "Tax Rebate". It is used so frequently, that some people really believe it is possible. A look in the dictionary should suffice. No further comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: number 6
Date: 03 May 06 - 01:03 PM

I agree with you on that Mick.

I just want to know who Pelosi, Reid, Clinton and the usual gang of liberals are. Are they like Layton, Chow, McDonough and the usual gang of New Democrats?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 May 06 - 12:52 PM

Well said Mick!!

Susu's Hobby's abscence must have been overlooked by many here.
Personally I thought that someone had been using an air freshner.

Seems to have run out now :0(....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 May 06 - 12:03 PM

What a self serving bunch of tripe. This poster comes "back" and starts a thread as if anyone missed him, or cares what he thinks. Here's an idea. Instead of starting a self agrandizing thread, why not just post in one of the current threads on these topics.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: bhb
Date: 03 May 06 - 10:59 AM

I thought this was for where do we live now?

Cheers,

bhb

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 May 06 - 10:50 AM

Your list, SH, is so porous it is positively lacy. But it ain't purty.

I neglected to show that all of MY list and his sum up was verbatim from Lisle, but I am in full agreement with him.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 03 May 06 - 10:29 AM

"I must be ignorant, but I'm trying to think of some positive things President Bush has done. Perhaps, a Bush believer would kindly send in a letter listing what they are."

1. Cut taxes for EVERYBODY. If you got a rebate check of any size then you got a tax cut. If not, then you are not paying any income taxes.
2. Carried the war on terror to the terrorists.
3. Rid the world of a government run by the Taliban.
4. Rid a country of a murderous dictator and giving that government back to its people.
5. Strengthened our military after seeing it decimated for eight years.
6. Supported and pushed through the No Child Left Behind act so that our schools would be held more accountable in the teachings of our children.
7. His policies have caused the economy to grow for 17 consecutive quarters.
8. Because his policies caused the economy to grow then that makes it to where 2.1 million jobs have been created in the last year and the unemloyment rate, currently at 4.7%, is lower than the averages of the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's.
9. Provided prescription coverage for Medicare recipients.
10. Pushed through the Patriot act in order for ordinary Americans like you and me to continue to be protected from terrorists on our own soil.

Those are just the first ten that come to my mind. Now I don't think ignorant is the right word for you not knowing. I just think that you are filled with too much rage and hatred toward the man to bring yourself to admit that these things happened while he was in office. So what it looks like to me is that it's ok to blame him for the bad stuff that happens but when good news comes down the pike that there is no way in hell he could be responsible for that. I consider that to be just a little one-sided and way too intellectually dishonest. Some would say that it makes one (you) lose all credibility and, quite frankly, makes some look like complete fools.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: gnu
Date: 03 May 06 - 07:01 AM

I am so proud of the fact that I was among the unmentioned. Apparently, my new plan is working to some extent. And, now, I must return to where I was. Have fun with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 May 06 - 02:36 AM

Until the moneyed people want illegal immigration to be shut down it will not. There is practically NO ONE cheaper (meaner, in the UK) than the seriously rich.
Do you have any concept of what our border looks like?

"We have the most technologically advanced military in the world." Susu's H Yes. And currently there is no one in the world who can fight us on that basis. However, there are a hundred nations that could wage a guerilla war, a war in which we can only play catch up.

"We should have the troops in place to take advantage of that fact and overwhelmingly take the victory instead of waiting for it to happen by the people who have known no rule but that of a ruthless, murderous dictator for the past 40 years." Susu's H. Remember what Dubya used to say about nation building? The only way we can create our version of a democratic republic in Iraq is if we stay there forever. And even then it would be debatable.

Oh, and do your family think they are making the USA safer and more secure? ha

"Afterall, if we take back the $400 million retirement package, how much is it going to save us? " Susu's H You miss the point. This retirement package at this point is unique. How long do you think it will be before some other lucky fella demands the same?

"Let's drill off of Florida's coast." Susu's H Jeb doesn't want them.

May 2, 2006
Juneau Empire

Here is some of what Dubya could do:

*Tell the truth
*Prove your case with evidence, not preconceptions
*Regain control over the military industrial complex
*Help America get off its addiction to the colossal military spending that supports much of our economy, but ultimately wastes our wealth on the destruction of our loved ones and those of other countries;
*Don't spend taxpayer money if you don't believe in collecting taxes
*If you do spend it, spend it on improving the lives of those who pay taxes and the society they live in
*Get private money out of political campaigns so that the public pays for their campaigns and then politicians will work for the public rather than for private contributors
*Protect the environment
*Protect our constitution and its safeguards for justice and freedom
*Obey our laws and international laws
*Do not torture
*Don't be a hypocrite
*Don't invade other countries or subvert their governments unless we've been attacked by them
*Be aware of your own fallibility
*Listen to others, be inclusive in decision making; weigh decisions carefully –
*Worry about the consequences they will have on millions of people;
*Establish national health care

In brief, do things that are not on President Bush's agenda. I must be ignorant, but I'm trying to think of some positive things President Bush has done. Perhaps, a Bush believer would kindly send in a letter listing what they are.
Lisle Hebert

Subject: RE: BS: Where are we now?
From: michaelr
Date: 03 May 06 - 02:33 AM

Hubby for president!

Subject: BS: Where are we now?
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 03 May 06 - 12:27 AM

Where are we now?


There are a lot of things that I will touch on so please bear with me. I've been away for a while but pop in from time to time to check out the mood and it has seemed to be business as usual from everyone here.

Amos is still spouting his usual liberal sources and trying to justify his existence by using big words.

Bobert is still trying to use class warfare to make himself not feel guilty for doing pretty well in life when others don't have it as well as he does.

sIx, Ebbie, Donuel, and the rest of the gang are still striving to make names for themselves by regurgitating the rantings of the two above and continue worshipping the words of Pelosi, Reid, Clinton and the usual gang of liberals.

Martin, the sports lover, is still trying to show how all of their circular arguments are exactly that.

BB is still using everyday logic and common sense to live his life and enjoys using relevant examples to bury the rantings of some here.

So in other words....

I haven't missed much. But what are the hot topics today that still gets everyone's blood to boil?

Immigration, War on Terror, Oil and Gas prices, upcoming elections.

Here's my take on each one.



Immigration

It seems as if there are several issues on this topic. 1st is the fact that we already have so many illegal aliens and the number is steadily increasing. On the flip side, if the government would just enforce the laws that are on the books then the issue wouldn't be what it is now. Let's enforce the existing laws before we go and try to make new ones.
This is something that really gets my goat about the Bush administration. The man, in an effort not to offend anyone, is catering to people that can't even vote for him. He's bending to people who have no respect for the laws that are on the books in the first place. Let's get the agents needed into place, then construct a fence and then round up the illegals and get them back to where they came from. This solution breaks no existing laws and even does something to prevent the permeable border that currently exists.
It doesn't matter that these people are doing jobs that no one else wants to do.
It doesn't matter that they are paying some of the taxes that our local and state governments collect.
It doesn't matter if they've been here for years and have become accustomed to the American way of life.
What matters is that they are breaking the law that currently exists and they must be caught and punished. If the punishment is going back to the country from which they came, then so be it. It's the law. I saw in another thread where someone had mentioned the Air Traffic controllers strike in the eighties. Reagan didn't fire the ATC's to bust the union. He fired the ATC's because they broke the law. (The busting of the union was more or less a fringe benefit.)
I mean, if we're gonna have the laws then let's enforce them. It may make the tree hugging environmentalists happy to know that a tree was killed for a piece of paper so that a law could be written that would actually be enforced.



War on Terror

What can I say about this that hasn't already been said? If we need to do anything different then we need to send more troops. I say this being the uncle of a marine currently serving in Iraq. He called to last week to inform me that one of his close buddies was killed by an IED and that another one of his buddies was severely injured in the same attack. Does he think that he needs to be home with his new wife?
He wants to be home with his new wife but he knows that he needs to be in Iraq to complete the job that his government has asked him to do.
I'm also the father of a 17 year old son who just enlisted into the US Army. His job? Infantry. Does this make me change my mind about the war and why we're there? NO. As a matter of fact, it boosts my belief in that why we're there is a good thing. In fact, my son believes that we should be there and knows why we should be there doing what we are doing. He's only 17 and should be looking at colleges and chasing high school girls. By him enlisting and about to enter basic training shows me that even our kids are listening and knowing what needs to be done and most importantly, have the courage to stand up and say "I want to make a difference." And actually doing it instead of throwing around useless, tired, 35 year old opinions on a blues music message board.
We have the most technologically advanced military in the world. We should have the troops in place to take advantage of that fact and overwhelmingly take the victory instead of waiting for it to happen by the people who have known no rule but that of a ruthless, murderous dictator for the past 40 years. Take the complete victory, show the new people what needs to be done and provide security while they do it, then come home. We have only taken the victory of getting Saddam out. We stopped just about a month or two too soon in my opinion.



Oil and Gas prices

Get off of big oil's back. Afterall, if we take back the $400 million retirement package, how much is it going to save us? And for how long?
Oil and Gas are traded on the open market. The market drives those prices. When the market gets rattled by the constant sabre rattling of Mr Goofy Hothead of Iran then the price will go up in preparation of tighter oil supplies. Iran is, afterall, the fourth largest supplier in the world. Let's open up new sources for drilling. Let's start up some of the old wells that are dotting the landscape of the southwest. Let's drill off of Florida's coast. China and Cuba are. Let's drill up and down the west coast. Let's drill in ANWR. Let's build more refineries so we can get more product to the consumer. Let's build more Nuclear power plants so we can ease the demand for oil and coal.
Demand is up. Oil companies are selling more inventory. It's only common sense that their profits will increase. That's the beauty of being in business. You sell more, you make more.
Sitting back and bitching about it is doing absolutely nothing. The controls set in motion by the democratically controlled house and senate in the thirty plus years prior to the '94 republican takeover is what got us into this mess. The missing spine of the Republican majority is what's keeping us there now.


Upcoming elections

Attention all liberals: Bush is not running again. There. Relax and take a deep breath. Stop bitching and whining about what he is doing and start offering genuine alternative solutions. That's the only way to get back in power. The day are over where you can get back into office by saying " He's doing a bad job. He's no good." It's been tried in the presidential races the last two times and the congressional races since '94. Where has it gotten you? A growing republican majority each and every time. Stop with the same arguments. It's time for action.

You game?
Bring it on.

Hubby