BS: Liberal hate

Subject: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 08:32 AM

Comment is invited on the following:


"Then I wrote about Stephen Colbert and his unfunny performance at the White House correspondents' dinner.

Kapow! Within a day, I got more than 2,000 e-mails. A day later, I got 1,000 more. By the fourth day, the number had reached 3,499 -- a figure that does not include the usual offers of nubile Russian women or loot from African dictators. The Colbert messages began with Patrick Manley ("You wouldn't know funny if it slapped you in the face") and ended with Ron ("Colbert ROCKS, you MURDER") who was so proud of his thought that he copied countless others. Ron, you're a genius
...
But the message in this case truly is the medium. The e-mails pulse in my queue, emanating raw hatred. This spells trouble -- not for Bush or, in 2008, the next GOP presidential candidate, but for Democrats. The anger festering on the Democratic left will be taken out on the Democratic middle. (Watch out, Hillary!) I have seen this anger before -- back in the Vietnam War era. That's when the antiwar wing of the Democratic Party helped elect Richard Nixon. In this way, they managed to prolong the very war they so hated.

The hatred is back. I know it's only words now appearing on my computer screen, but the words are so angry, so roiled with rage, that they are the functional equivalent of rocks once so furiously hurled during antiwar demonstrations. I can appreciate some of it. Institution after institution failed America -- the presidency, Congress and the press. They all endorsed a war to rid Iraq of what it did not have. Now, though, that gullibility is being matched by war critics who are so hyped on their own sanctimony that they will obliterate distinctions, punishing their friends for apostasy and, by so doing, aiding their enemies. If that's going to be the case, then Iraq is a war its critics will lose twice -- once because they couldn't stop it and once more at the polls."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/08/AR2006050801323.html

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 08:33 AM

Also from the same

"If I did not like Colbert, I must like Bush. If I write for The Post, I must be a mainstream media warmonger. If I was over a certain age -- which I am -- I am simply out of it, wherever "it" may be. All in all, I was -- I am, and I guess I remain -- the worthy object of ignorant, false and downright idiotic vituperation."


Tell me again the difference between the Far Right and the Far Left?

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: GUEST,Guam
Date: 09 May 06 - 08:45 AM

Politics shouldn't be looked at as opposite ends of a stick. It should be looked at as a circle.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 May 06 - 08:47 AM

Rude jerks are rude jerks.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 08:50 AM

Art,

Agreed. The question now is whether the Far Right will destroy the Republican party faster than the Far Left will destroy the Democrats.

Might actually be a good thing- We could use a good centrist party- McCain/Leiberman ticket?

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Janie
Date: 09 May 06 - 09:13 AM

I have to agree with his analysis of how Nixon got elected,( but I'm not sure it prolonged the Vietnam war beyond what a centrist Democratic president would have done.)

The Primary races will be where we will know if we Dems. are shooting ourselves in the foot again. On another thread, somewhere, Bill D. spoke of the unlikely hope that the Dems. will have a civil, positive primary instead of ripping each other apart. As I recall, he said it was the best hope for a significantly more moderate regime in Washington.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Amos
Date: 09 May 06 - 11:39 AM

Idiotic vituperation certainly does ot conform to party lines or even wings of the political spectrum.

On this forum, by and large, the illogical spray of vituperation has mostly come from the right side of the spectrum, but certainly not entirely.

Ihave gotten vituperative about Bush's idiocies a few times, and I can only plead extreme frustration at the corrosive influence he has exerted on our national solvency, spirit and goodwill internationally.

Not to mention the erosion of freedom as a concomitant of "war" against a generalized planetary condition.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 May 06 - 12:41 PM

"Liberal hate" is just another of those politically framed phrases. It belongs on a bumper-sticker if it belongs anywhere at all, certainly not in rational discourse.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: CarolC
Date: 09 May 06 - 01:06 PM

Hillary is working for Rupert Murdoch now. He's hosting a fundraiser for her in July. She's almost as good as elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Amos
Date: 09 May 06 - 01:09 PM

Oooo!! Carol, are you sure??? :D


A

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 May 06 - 01:10 PM

Murdoch is a threat to civilisation and democracy in the same style as Berlusconi, but more effective. If he is going to make Ms Clinton his puppet, then the invocation "God save America" had better be sincerely invoked.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: CarolC
Date: 09 May 06 - 01:15 PM

It's true, Amos. Check it out...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12692606/

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Bill D
Date: 09 May 06 - 01:47 PM

hmmm...we shall see. I think there's more to hear about this relationship than that one article shows. If Hillary is at all involved or gives the appearance of being beholden to Murdoch, MUCH will be made of it by the pundits.



and by the way, bruce---- HOW did you choose the title of your provocative little thread and what is it supposed to imply? It sure doesn't sound like it was just an interesting comparison of extreme views on both sides.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Bobert
Date: 09 May 06 - 01:53 PM

Good point, Don...

Actually when it comes down to it, the entire spectrum of the Bush administartion's thinking can probably be boiled down to about half a dozen bumber stickers... I've been behind cars that have 'um all...

This is, IMO, why Bush continually shoots himself in the foot... He has biases and refuses to listen to other folks opinons... It's either his way of the highway so he surrounds himself with tiny circle of advisors with a tiny number of ideas... Anyone who has ever run a successful business knows this is a recipe for disaster....

Think the Texas Rangers or Harkin Energy here...

Now I'm sho nuff no Clinton lover but he did spend a lot of time listening to the opinions of Republicans and met with the Republican leadership in Congress on a weekly basis... Maybe that's why the US didn't have all these screwed up thing happen to it during Clinton's term...

Actually, when it come to down-right hatred aropund here I see alot more of if from the Bushite goons... They, like their leader, don't want to have disussions... They just want the progressives to shut up and will use any tactics to try to accomplish that task... I don't see these tactics being used by the progressives here...

Oh sure, the get pissed off when I call them on their little ball games but, hey...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 01:53 PM

Didn't you read the first post?

"The e-mails pulse in my queue, emanating raw hatred"

"The hatred is back."

"That's when the antiwar wing of the Democratic Party helped elect Richard Nixon. In this way, they managed to prolong the very war they so hated."

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 01:59 PM

"Actually when it comes down to it, the entire spectrum of the Bush administartion's thinking can probably be boiled down to about half a dozen bumber stickers... I've been behind cars that have 'um all..."

I see the liberal ubermenscc are at it again. A pity you did not bother to read the text of the first post, Bobert and Don.


"Actually, when it come to down-right hatred aropund here I see alot more of if from the Bushite goons... They, like their leader, don't want to have disussions... They just want the progressives to shut up and will use any tactics to try to accomplish that task... I don't see these tactics being used by the progressives here..."

Again, the point of this posting by a liberal writer was that the Left is busy destroying any chance of making any difference in the next electio- BY THEIR OWN ACTIONS.





Digital Lynch Mob

By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, May 9, 2006; Page A23 Washington Post, for those too holy to bother reading before commenting.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: M.Ted
Date: 09 May 06 - 02:10 PM

The Democrats lost because Bobby Kennedy was dead, and there was no other peace candidate with acceptance outside of the peace movement. Humphrey , as LBJ's VP, he couldn't credibly run against his own boss's foreign policies, so the "peace" vote was lost--Even at that, Nixon, who had a "secret peace plan", nearly defeated himself, and ended up with fewer votes than he'd gotten in 1960, and was saved by third party canditate George Wallace who pulled conservative voters from the Democrats(sounds funny to say that today)--

Vietnam was the Democrats war, and the party was split because it was a disaster. This time around, it is the Republican party that is split by a war. Oddly enough, the conservative Democrats who stood by LBJ are now the conservative Republicans who now stand by Bush--and, just like then, they feel angry and alienated by their party--

If we use the 1968 election as a bellwether for this next one, the years ahead may be bleak indeed--

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 02:12 PM

Amos,

Thank you for your reasonable post. I was looking for a discussion of this, not the usual anti-Bush rants.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: CarolC
Date: 09 May 06 - 02:14 PM

Oddly enough, the conservative Democrats who stood by LBJ are now the conservative Republicans who now stand by Bush

They can change their party but they can't change their stripes, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Bill D
Date: 09 May 06 - 02:20 PM

Well, *I* read it, and I saw the words Cohen used, and he didn't say "Liberal hatred"....that was your formulation. Cohen did not even specify that he thought all his emails were from Liberals. The fact that some people are hung up on Colbert, (whom I don't care for much) is interesting, but says little about the larger picture.

I think if you are going to 'invite comment' in such an ambiguous manner, YOU should tell us...clearly... what YOU think it all implies.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: number 6
Date: 09 May 06 - 02:25 PM

A country brimming with 'Hate'??

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 02:38 PM

Fine, BillD. I will request that the thread be renamed "Liberal Lynch Mob"

My opinion is that the Liberals are doing their best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I consider Richard Cohen to usually be wrong, and was surprised at his earlier article about Stephen Colbert. It seemed reasonable, and on a much higher moral standard than usually presented by liberals ( IMO). I was impressed. When he wrote this one, I wanted to find out what others thought. Amos had a good comment, and Bobert and Don showed that they had no idea what the post was even about.

Do I get to ask about all the insulting references to conservatives throughout these threads now? Or are conservatives something less than human, as Bobert has stated in the past? Lesser animals who need not be treated as if they had rights or human dignity?

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Amos
Date: 09 May 06 - 02:51 PM

To be completely straight with you, BB, I found Colbert to be funny only in some places.

But I found the underlying frankness of his barbs to be refreshingly honest, and I thought it was courageous of him to speak truth to power in so uninhibited a fashion.

The two-talking-heads-of-Bush was actually funnier, as entertainment.

But Colbert was miles ahead in what he was actually saying.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 02:56 PM

Amos,

A valid assesment, from your viewpoint. The previous article referred to was Cohen's comment

" it will make the point that Colbert was not just a failure as a comedian but rude. Rude is not the same as brash. It is not the same as brassy. It is not the same as gutsy or thinking outside the box. Rudeness means taking advantage of the other person's sense of decorum or tradition or civility that keeps that other person from striking back or, worse, rising in a huff and leaving. The other night, that person was George W. Bush."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/03/AR2006050302202.html


I have NO requirement for anyone to agree or disagree with Cohen's assessment- but I find the REACTION to be indicative of the major problem with the Left at this time. ANYONE, regardless of past views, who does not toe the PARTY LINE is apostate, and to be attacked. Seems like a brake to a free discussion of viewpoints and the merit of different ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 02:57 PM

( from the above ref.)

"In Washington he was playing to a different crowd, and he failed dismally in the funny person's most solemn obligation: to use absurdity or contrast or hyperbole to elucidate -- to make people see things a little bit differently. He had a chance to tell the president and much of important (and self-important) Washington things it would have been good for them to hear. But he was, like much of the blogosphere itself, telling like-minded people what they already know and alienating all the others. In this sense, he was a man for our times."

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:05 PM

Cool your jets, BB. Richard Cohen says, first, that he didn't read all of his e-mails, and secondly, he says that "the e-mails pulse in my queue, emanating raw hatred." That's what Cohen says. I'm quite sure that there were a few who took him to task in less that polite terms, but he's presumably a journalist, and should be used to that. The main thing his column is whining about is that he got a lot of e-mails from people who disagree with him. Trying to characterize people who disagree with him as full of "liberal hate" (although it would appear that appending the word "liberal" as an adjective to the word "hate" was your idea), as if were some sort of irrational characteristic of all liberals is pure political posturing. So who's not reading what, here?

The beauty of the Colbert stand-up routine is this:   all through his tenure as president, Bush has been insulated from protests or from people expressing their opinions where he has to, if not actually take notice, at least be aware that not everyone thinks he's God's gift to American government. The establishment of "free speech zones" where protesters can demonstrate all they want, blocks if not miles from where Bush is, so he doesn't have to even be aware that it's going on, and his refusal to speak with Cindy Sheehan, are ample indications that Bush doesn't give a rat's ass for the opinions of American citizens. He doesn't want to govern. He wants to rule. So Colbert comes along and lays it on him in circumstances where he has to sit there and listen to it for a change. Bloody good for Colbert!

Cohen has a hissy fit in his column, and gets a lot of e-mail from people who disagree with him. So he dismisses his readers' disagreement as "liberal hate." Although, once again, the use of the word "liberal" in this context seems to be more your idea.

A lot of the current crop of conservatives simple can't stand to have people disagree with them, so they try to blow off criticism with some ad hoc epithet like "liberal hate." But here's a clue:   criticizing the government is the traditional duty of the press. If the press won't do their job, then I guess it's up to stand-up comedians.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:12 PM

Don,

1. Richard Cohen is hardly a conservative

2. He is a member of the press.

His comment was the Colbert was rude- You may agree or disagree, but he has the right to make that value judgement. MY pupose was to see what others thought of Cohen's statements, that the worst enemy of Liberals were themselves.- OBVIOUSLY, you are part of the lockstep crowd who look on any critiscm of Bush as gospel. That is fine- but it does NOT tell me your opinion about Cohen's statements.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Amos
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:26 PM

Colbert was only rude in the most refined sense of the word. HE used no crude language, he gave no ad hominem slurs, and his setups, when he got them right, were well done. I enjoyed the film of his remarks a lot. I diagree with Cohen -- I think Colbertwas being, not rude, but boldly up-front with a kind of sarcasm that has a long tradition in political humor, and he made no jokes that Bush did not quite well deserve.

If Bush is man enough to stand in a carpeted D.C. office and send American youth into battle, he's man enough to stand up to the worst Colbert has to offer -- you would think the former would be much harder to confront, to anyone of conscience.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Bobert
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:34 PM

Well, I read the column and whereby I usually find a lot to agree with in Richard Cohen's columns this one seemed to be a toe-the-line, cut-your-hair & quit singin'-the-blues or face another loss...

As a progressive, I feel that if the Dems can't come 'round from their Bushliteness then they deserve to lose the '06 election... It is their election to loose and as per usual they are going to do the best they can at doing just that...

But if one looks historically at just how the Republican Party has gona about winning elections it has been from riling people up with red herring issues such as flag burning, abortion and gay rights and they do play on people anger very well... The NASCAR dads are a perfect example of very angry people who vote...

The brownshirt goons here in Mudcat and outside of Mudcat are about as angry a bunch as I've even encountered... They are as bad and as angry as the rednecks who fought the civil rights movement in the south but guess what: they voted and still do so, hey, maybe the Dems are trying to piss off progressives thinking that Greens and Indpendants will be motivated to vote against the Repubs... Hey, it has worked for the Repubs who now have Southern Man in their posket inspite of the fact that Southern Man has been hurt bu the Bush policies???

Go figure???

Hey, if the Dems' looze 'casue the pissed off too many p0rogressive or loose 'cause they give in, at least there does seem to be an over change in their strategy towerd the formulas that have worked so well for the Repubs...

And, hey, I've met this Webb guy in Virginia and though he ain't a Green, I could vote for him against George Allen whoes only attribute is that his daddy was the coach of the Washington Redskins... Other than that, George Allen hasn't shown me much as a leader... Loyal follower, yeah... But leader, no...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: CarolC
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:37 PM

Actually, Colbert wasn't rude at all.

Even pointing out Bush's low approval ratings (the thing Cohen seemed to find the most rude in his original column), Bush himself made jokes about.

I thought Colbert was very funny. But I'm not a "liberal", so I don't really have any perspective about whether or not "liberals" are their own worst enemy.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:37 PM

Thanks, Bobert. Other than the fact that we disagree about WHO the brownshirts here are, we seem to be seeing the same things

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:40 PM

CarolC,


"Bush himself plays off his reputation as a dunce and his penchant for mangling English. Self-mockery can be funny. Mockery that is insulting is not. The sort of stuff that would get you punched in a bar can be said on a dais with impunity. This is why Colbert was more than rude. He was a bully."

And your comments about the REACTION to Cohen's article?

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: CarolC
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:44 PM

He wasn't a bully. He was far more gentle with Bush than the people who roasted Clinton were. But if he attends a "roast" (as the "roastee"), he should expect to get "roasted".

Re: your question, I also notice that Cohen himself says he only read a small number of the reactions to his article. So I find myself taking anything he says about them with a large grain of salt.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: CarolC
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:45 PM

I should rephrase this...

But if he attends a "roast" (as the "roastee"), he should expect to get "roasted".

It should read...

But if Bush attends a "roast" (as the "roastee"), he should expect to get "roasted".

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:50 PM

"Usually, the subject line said it all. Some were friendly and agreed that Colbert had not been funny. Most, though, were in what we shall call disagreement. Fine. I said the man wasn't funny and not funny has a bullying quality to it; others (including some of my friends) said he was funny. But because I held such a view, my attentive critics were convinced I had a political agenda. I was -- as was most of the press, I found out -- George W. Bush's lap dog. If this is the case, Bush had better check his lap."

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:50 PM

Barbed commentary at the Press Awards is par for the course. Bush, et al, knew that, going in. (Besides which I suspect that dubya missed the significance of quite a bit of Colbert's jousting.)

I thought that Colbert, funny or not, was swinging as hard as he dared and connecting as often as he could. In my opinion, he gave those present a number of points to think about.

And as for being funny- Colbert may be a funny man but most of his stuff was funny only in being shocking. Even I cringed a little from time to time.

I think that Colbert made his political position abundantly clear.   If you noticed, upon leaving the podium he nodded to Bush, bowed to Ms. Bush and kissed Helen Thomas.

What I liked best about the evening is that it reminded me that we still have a country where this kind of thing can still happen. Long may his ilk wave, so to speak.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:51 PM

"Rude?" Well, BB, politics can get pretty rude. See Karl Rove.

And your trying to dismiss what I wrote by characterizing me as "you are part of the lockstep crowd" is a shining example of exactly what I'm taking about. Pure political rhetoric which often contains little more that ad hominem attacks.

Those who have something solid to say don't have to resort to that sort of thing.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:57 PM

Ebbie,

And your take on the REACTION to Cohen?

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Metchosin
Date: 09 May 06 - 03:58 PM

Watching Stephen Colbert, my impression was his performance was not so much a roasting of Bush, Bush was just the prop, but a direct attempt to skewer the American news media. Well done. That some of are now squealing on the spit, liberal and conservative alike, is of no surprise, its about time they squirmed.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 04:04 PM

Metchosin,

And your take on the REACTION to Cohen's comments?

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: CarolC
Date: 09 May 06 - 04:05 PM

Most, though, were in what we shall call disagreement.

This is hardly the same thing as spewing hate. Cohen seems to be trying to give the impression that "most" of them were hateful without admitting that he can't back up the claim that they were hateful. I think Cohen definitely has an ax to grind.

Good point, Metchosin. Cohen was probably pissed off with Colbert for taking the press to task, which I though he did quite well (while at the same time being very funny).

I suspect that Cohen is still pissed off about that. And my guess is that this is the reason for both of his columns.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Janie
Date: 09 May 06 - 04:17 PM

Bruce--It doesn't sound like many here are understanding your question. I HOPE his assessment that we liberals and progressives will do ourselves more damage than good is incorrect. I FEAR, however, that he is right on the money. Seeing that most, though not all, people who have posted here so far have REACTED rather than responded only adds to that fear.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 06 - 04:21 PM

Liberals, Conservatives, same thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: M.Ted
Date: 09 May 06 - 04:27 PM

Colbert's fans are younger people, who watch cable, get most of their news from the internet, and don't subscribe, or pay a lot of attention, to newspapers.   For that reason, even George W. Bush probably enjoys seeing Colbert do his routine more than Cohen does--

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 04:32 PM

MTed,

And YOUR take on the REACTION to COHEN'S comments?







Janie,

I knew it was to much to ask for a reasonable discussion. But even in the face of virtual impossibility, some hope still persists.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Janie
Date: 09 May 06 - 04:37 PM

But own up, Bruce--if you weren't anticipating a reasonable discussion, then what WERE you looking for:O)

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 06 - 04:44 PM

I expected all the lockstep liberals to jump on the title, and pay no attention to the post at all. Amos surprised me- Bobert and Don did not.

Actually, I did want a discussion. IMO, the next election is the Democrats to lose- they will find some way to insure that most people vote for the Republican ( whoever that is). But IF they won, they might have to actually deal with the problems of government, and I would be interested in what they plan to do- Hold to the path of Left Correctnes, or actually deal with the real world.

As I stated, a centrist party/(McCain/Lieberman)would get half the Republicans, half the Democrats, and all the undecideds- and walk away with the election.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 May 06 - 04:51 PM

I'd like to note that I thought that dubya inviting his 'double' to stand beside him and speak out loud his (ostensible) thoughts was a brave thing to do. I've seen the double on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno many times and his portrayal of dubya is unflattering- and yes, rude.

What do I think of the reaction to Cohen's columns?   A couple of thoughts, I guess. As Cohen said, it appeared that most of the nasty stuff came from the same blogospheres. (A good many of them may have been Jerry Springer fans, too!)

If a website mocks a person or an event and urges its readers to blanket the person with emails the response can inundate the address. Which is why many people - candidates, politicians of all stripes, newspeople - don't pay much attention to blanket emails, giving far more weight to individuals writing their own thoughts.

I sometimes lose track of the fact that the numbers of readers in the world of the internet are mindbogglingly huge. If only three people, say, in each town or city of the Western Hemisphere read any given column and wrote the author, the response would be overwhelming.

I dunno. I tend to think of the 'far right' as being the illiterate, (I say 'illiterate' by the way, because in my opinion one of the hallmarks of liberal thinking is the desire to see all people be able to read and think and communicate. So there.), rude, hate-spewing, one-size-fits-all, black versus white crowd. I may be wrong. We do know that there is a lot of hate in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: Amos
Date: 09 May 06 - 04:51 PM

Bruce:

We don't seem to have any concrete data on the reaction to Cohen's remarks.

He refers to a lot of email he hasn't read as being full of hate, which seems...premature, to say the least. I woudl think he would want to read it before he characterized it in sweeping, emoitional terms.

Such being the case, I imagine ther eis a bell curve of reactions -- a small number agreeing fully, a small number disagreeing vehemently, and a large number agreeing or disagreeing mildly.

Maybe he should submit it to the Supreme Court...from what I saw of Justice Scalia, he was laughing heartily at Colbert's "Sicilian" gestures.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Liberal hate
From: CarolC
Date: 09 May 06 - 04:53 PM

and all the undecideds

They wouldn't get this "undecided" (me). McCain and Lieberman are far too beholden to the corporate and other special interests who gave us the debacle in Iraq to get my vote. I would probably have voted for McCain in 2000 if he had gotten the nomination, but he has let me down and now I don't trust him.