BS: Cat people vs dog people

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 02:19 PM

I can enjoy a dog OR a cat...The real practical side is that cats require less detailed looking after.

When we had cats, we 'could' put out extra dry food & water, a spare litter box, and go away for a couple days. (any longer and we'd at least have someone stop in) with a dog, you gotta have 'em boarded, sat with...etc.

I think that my soul really prefers cats....we understand each other better.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 02:25 PM

" according to The Cats Protection League"
A pet cat kept indoors will live longer... be 'happier'... and cost WAY less in Vet Bills.....

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Becca72
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 02:27 PM

Stilly, let me clarify...I have 2 cat boxes that get completely changed (new litter and liner) a couple of times a week. They haven't felt a need to "go" anywhere in the house, so I'm assuming they're ok with that arrangement.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Metchosin
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 02:46 PM

Yes Clinton, way less. If they turn up in my yard the dogs deem them tresspassing, feral, unnatural predators, to be treated accordingly.

Who let the dogs out? Woof woof! BG

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 03:05 PM

Sounds like your dogs need a behaviour lesson....

Like maybe with a .22

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 03:15 PM

Becca,

I thought that must be what you were getting at. We use the scoopable litter, but that only works if you scoop every day because otherwise the lumps dry out again and mix with the rest. Depending on the weather sometimes you have to scoop more often. My one cat doesn't stray very often, and he's getting old, so there could be hormone issues that come into play when he goofs.

CH, I tried that wheat stuff but got rid of it pretty quickly--it is also supposed to be scoopable, but if you have it around for very long you find a house full of weevils. No thanks!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 03:27 PM

I would never kill a cat but if I find one circling my bird feeder I'm not above putting a BB up its ass! (On a low power setting of course)

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Becca72
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 04:24 PM

I have also learned not to change the litterboxes right before bed time, as the kittens like to play in it (they'll keep you awake for HOURS)...you would think it was a day at the beach for them. I'm almost certain some day I'm going to go in there and find a castle!

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 04:29 PM

We've been using the wheat stuff for years, and it's VERY scoopable (AND more importantly FLUSHABLE!) and we've NEVER had weevils....

I suspect you didn't store it properly

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: bobad
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 04:34 PM

Possibly living in Texas, as Stilly does, has something to do with the weevil problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 04:49 PM

Another good reason not to live there

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: John Hardly
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 04:54 PM

"dogs have owners...cats have staff"?

Not around my house. The cats take care of themselves. Require no walks, free feed, entertain themselves. The dogs, on the other hand...

They are a part time job. Maybe worth it, but a part time job.

Cats have friends, Dogs have friendly staff.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 05:02 PM

Ya gotta watch out for those weevils. They are very boll.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 05:26 PM

This time of year it doesn't hurt to keep the flour in the fridge if you're not going to use it very fast. It's hot enough long enough that we get to the point where we can comfortably shower with the water temperature that comes out of the cold water tap. I could probably turn off the hot water heater. (I lived in Arizona for a couple of years, where when it gets really hot you turn off the hot water tank and use that as your source of cool water to mix with the hot water coming in the cold tap so you can stand the shower temperature).

Yeah, the temperature accelerates hatching the weevil eggs that are in all ground grain, no matter whether it turns up in Canada or Texas. And who knows how long the store had had this sack of litter before I bought it, since I don't think it came with a shelf date.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Metchosin
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 05:31 PM

Nope, they don't, Clinton. They have been trained to know when all stops out is permissable and when it is not. However, they are one of the very few breeds that have been bred specificly to kill. And unlike cats, they don't intentionally drag it out as entertainment.

If I really went as far as set them on a cat, there would be no cat vet bills.....just the cost of burial. Keep your own wantonly cruel, malicious, purring predator in your own yard and you'll have no problems with me.

I would prefer the dogs not get sidetracked anyways, so they can continue to concentrate on other vermin instead. I would not want them to think that the really big native cats around here were fair game also, that would end very differently.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From:
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 05:31 PM

Just as a smartass side note, hot water doesn't need to be heated...therefore it's just a water heater... :-)

Don't hold it against me...some of you know who my father is, and therefore where I get it from.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 05:35 PM

"Keep your own wantonly cruel, malicious, purring predator"

Without emotions, one cannot be cruel or malicious..... You're in error.... sorry....

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Metchosin
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 08:03 PM

I thought "cat remorse" was an oxymoron. LOL We had a wonderful cat (murderous little bastard) which we dearly loved and actually built a room for, but this is too much fun to let slide by. LOL

Can't wait for the alligator vs tropical bird thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:10 PM

Actually, if you had bothered to read the thread title, the thread was intended to be about the owners, not the animals.

I'd say we've seen some pretty revealing differences in the personalities of dog owners vs cat owners in this thread, as well as the sociopathic ramblings of a few posters looking for negative attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:13 PM

You being the first.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: GUEST,Joe_F
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 10:06 PM

I read somewhere that all dictators hate cats, because they won't be bossed.

Winston Churchill is supposed to have said: Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.

--- Joe Fineman    [e-mail]

||: When I make water I make water, and when I make tea I make tea. :||

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Metchosin
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 01:38 AM

Oh dear......I thought this thread was intended for deteriorating minds. You know......those that somehow believe that the human psyche can be ascertained by what pet they prefer. LOL

I know where I can get some nice sheep entrails if anyone wants to poke around in them with a stick.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 03:41 AM

Goats are better for a really accurate reading....

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 03:57 AM

People prefer cats to dogs or vice versa according to which particular need they are trying to fill. Dog "lovers" are simply finding an outlet for their need to feel superior to something, to compensate for what they lack in the one-on-one human world. Cat "lovers" feel the need to to be needed.
Everyone knows that!
I can understand either in lonely old ladies, but in very few other instances. But for the life of me I will never understand these weird people who KISS their dogs. Don't they know what it was recently doing with its nose?

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 04:01 AM

Hey GUEST - you get more germs from the human mouth than you do from the dog.... remember that next time you kiss your beloved. And you can't always be sure that THEY haven't had their nose somewhere similar either!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 04:04 AM

It is impossible to keep a straight face in the presence of one or more kittens. ~Cynthia E. Varnado
In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him. ~Dereke Bruce
There are few things in life more heartwarming than to be welcomed by a cat. ~Tay Hohoff
If cats could talk, they wouldn't. ~Nan Porter
There are two means of refuge from the misery of life - music and cats. ~Albert Schweitzer
A catless writer is almost inconceivable. It's a perverse taste, really, since it would be easier to write with a herd of buffalo in the room than even one cat; they make nests in the notes and bite the end of the pen and walk on the typewriter keys. ~Barbara Holland
If animals could speak, the dog would be a blundering outspoken fellow; but the cat would have the rare grace of never saying a word too much. ~Mark Twain
Cats are rather delicate creatures and they are subject to a good many ailments, but I never heard of one who suffered from insomnia. ~Joseph Wood Krutch
The cat could very well be man's best friend but would never stoop to admitting it. ~Doug Larson
There is something about the presence of a cat... that seems to take the bite out of being alone. ~Louis J. Camuti
As every cat owner knows, nobody owns a cat. ~Ellen Perry Berkeley
The problem with cats is that they get the exact same look on their face whether they see a moth or an axe-murderer. ~Paula Poundstone
Cats can work out mathematically the exact place to sit that will cause most inconvenience. ~Pam Brown
After scolding one's cat one looks into its face and is seized by the ugly suspicion that it understood every word. And has filed it for reference. ~Charlotte Gray
A cat can be trusted to purr when she is pleased, which is more than can be said for human beings. ~William Ralph Inge
The reason cats climb is so that they can look down on almost every other animal - it's also the reason they hate birds. ~K.C. Buffington
A cat is an example of sophistication minus civilization. ~Author Unknown
There has never been a cat who couldn't calm me down by walking slowly past my chair~Rod McKuen
Your cat will never threaten your popularity by barking at three in the morning. He won't attack the mailman or eat the drapes, although he may climb the drapes to see how the room looks from the ceiling. ~Helen Powers
Cats do care. For example they know instinctively what time we have to be at work in the morning and they wake us up twenty minutes before the alarm goes off. ~Michael Nelson
When I play with my cat, who knows if I am not a pastime to her more than she is to me? ~Michel de Montaigne, Essays, 1580
Kittens are born with their eyes shut. They open them in about six days, take a look around, then close them again for the better part of their lives. ~Stephen Baker
I had been told that the training procedure with cats was difficult. It's not. Mine had me trained in two days. ~Bill Dana
If there is one spot of sun spilling onto the floor, a cat will find it and soak it up. ~J.A. McIntosh
No amount of time can erase the memory of a good cat, and no amount of masking tape can ever totally remove his fur from your couch. ~Leo Dworken
It doesn't do to be sentimental about cats; the best ones don't respect you for it. ~Susan Howatch
A dog, I have always said, is prose; a cat is a poem. ~Jean Burden
The cat is the only animal without visible means of support who still manages to find a living in the city. ~Carl van Vechten
There's no need for a piece of sculpture in a home that has a cat. ~Wesley Bates
If the pull of the outside world is strong, there is also a pull towards the human. The cat may disappear on its own errands, but sooner or later, it returns once again for a little while, to greet us with its own type of love. ~Lloyd Alexander
One is never sure, watching two cats washing each other, whether it's affection, the taste, or a trial run for the jugular. ~Helen Thomson
I believe cats to be spirits come to earth. A cat, I am sure, could walk on a cloud without coming through. ~Jules Verne
A cat pours his body on the floor like water. ~William Lyon Phelps
There is no more intrepid explorer than a kitten. ~Jules Champfleury
A cat improves the garden wall in sunshine, and the hearth in foul weather. ~Judith Merkle Riley
A cat's got her own opinion of human beings. She don't say much, but you can tell enough to make you anxious not to hear the whole of it. ~Jerome K. Jerome
I wish I could write as mysterious as a cat. ~Edgar Allan Poe
The cat seldom interferes with other people's rights. His intelligence keeps him from doing many of the fool things that complicate life. ~Carl Van Vechten
Cats come and go without ever leaving. ~Martha Curtis
Cats seem to go on the principle that it never does any harm to ask for what you want. ~Joseph Wood Krutch
You will always be lucky if you know how to make friends with strange cats. ~Proverb
The cat is the only animal which accepts the comforts but rejects the bondage of domesticity. ~Georges Louis Leclerc de Buffon
The city of cats and the city of men exist one inside the other, but they are not the same city. ~Italo Calvino
Dogs come when they're called; cats take a message and get back to you later. ~Mary Bly
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Charmain
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 04:07 AM

In ancient civilisations cats were worshipped as gods - they have not forgotten this...
I'm with Churchill - Pigs have by far the best personality for a pet - not as dimly dependent as dogs nor as superior as cats - unfortunately no matter how clean their personal habits they do still STINK and they can't catch vermin...
Far too many people believe themselves qualified to own a dog - there is nothing more tragic than the sight of a frustrated Border Collie which spends its life sticking its head through the cat flap to bark at passers by and take chunks out of the postman - at least cats don't turn psychotic through lack of attention and excercise - although some appear to be born that way.
Remember - if your cat was bigger than you, you would be its breakfast...

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 06:17 AM

I purr, therefore I am.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: kendall
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 07:01 AM

Yes, Becca72, I did teach you to be somewhat pedantic, but I also tried to teach you to not end a sentence with a preposition.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Becca72
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 09:27 AM

I think you just proved my point.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 09:41 AM

The more siblings you had growing up probably makes you more likely to be a dog person.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 09:41 AM

"A preposition is a word one should never end a sentence with."

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Charmain
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:16 AM

"The more siblings you had growing up probably makes you more likely to be a dog person."

That doesn't really work for me and my brother but my sisters all love dogs - maybe its your position in the sibling hierachy that affects your love of dogs - if you're lower down in the food chain maybe you tend to band together with those family (or pack) members who are more on your level - not that I'm saying my sisters are dogs of course - er...right...Oi'll get mi coat...

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:05 PM

There was a wonderful article about Cesar Millan in The New Yorker a few weeks back (May 15, 2006). Here is an interview with the author of that article about that article. I can't seem to come up with a direct link to the article, though it is probably available through a magazine collection somewhere.

He is adamant that people need to treat dogs like they are dogs, it is much better for the dog. Some of his clients on the program clearly have a lot of emotional baggage that Millan can't touch--all he can do is help them relate to their animals better. (One hopes that behind the scenes he has a referral network in place and can point some of these folks to good counselors.)

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:58 PM

There is a recent - to me- phenomenon that boggles my mind.

Last month I had my Cairn Terrier's ACL problem repaired. When we went back a couple of weeks later to have her stitches removed and I was at the desk finalizing the whole thing, this bright young thing asked perkily, What is your dog's last name?

I stared. Huh? She repeated the question. I said, Well, I never gave her one. I can give you my last name though.

What's up with this?

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 04:24 PM

Pedigrees have names. I once had a dog that had a name like Flauntleroy Aspartame de la Montaigne, III. I called him Rover.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 04:34 PM

ACL = anterior cruciate ligament ????

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Metchosin
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 06:06 PM

well if it is, thats odd, because I just took my female Westie to the vet three weeks ago with the same problem. Maybe its a terrier thing they get from terriering around. BG

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 06:37 PM

Yes, that is ACL. I'm told that dogs (not just terrierists) and human beings are susceptible to the same problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 06:58 PM

What is that?

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 07:55 PM

It's the ligament in the knee, Stilly. In Meggie's case, we were fortunate that the ligament had not actually broken yet, just frayed and thinned and stretched. When the ligament snaps it can mean that the patella, the kneecap, also has to be attached in place, which is not only a longer surgery and longer recuperation and more expensive but more painful.

Incidentally, the replacement 'ligament' is actually fishing line! In little dogs like mine rather than imbedding the line they hook the line over the bone and wait for scar tissue and muscle to help hold it. Until then, the line is vulnerable to re-breaking. Eventually it will become stronger than the congenital one.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Metchosin
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:45 PM

Wow, things have come a long way in the world of veterinary medicine too. Thankfully so far, all Maddy required was a couple of weeks on non steroidal anti-inflammatories and an admonishment to me to keep her inactive for a couple of weeks............right. Fat chance.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: number 6
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:59 PM

Our female grey Heidi had a 'snapped' ligament. It is very painful for the animal and involves extensive and yes expensive surgery. It took about a good 3 months of recuperation. For the first 2 weeks after her surgery I had to carry her outside so she could do 'her business'.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Metchosin
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 12:22 AM

number 6, the things we'll do for our dogs, eh? A friend kept his old Fred going with a sling he rigged up to support him when he lost the use of his hind legs and I gave our old dachshund X a daily IV for 6 months because his kidneys were failing. After awhile he didn't like me very much anymore. I don't think I would do that again for any dog, but there were other extenuating circumstances in Wort's case.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 12:57 AM

Speaking of expense, I had been warned that the surgery would run about $2000. and if the vet found that there were other repairs to be made and if there was a lot of debris in there that had to be cleaned up the cost could go as high as $2500.

Because Meggie's ligament was still intact- and that was all that was wrong - it ended up costing $1488.75. I wouldn't have paid $10,000 but I paid this amount happily and felt myself fortunate for it.

Meggie is less than 5 years old which made me hesitate to take her in the first place. I've been adopting older animals that have small chance of being adopted. However, I knew when I got her that she had medical issues - in addition to her ACL - and was functionally unadoptable. I haven't regretted it. She's a great little dog.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 01:01 AM

Dogs respond according to how they are treated. And they understand when someone loves them.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Charmain
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 03:51 AM

Anterior Cruciate Ligament - that's the one Michael Owen knackered two minutes into the match against Sweden - he's always reminded me of a terrier - small, fast and deadly if they get you in the right spot - not anymore - Woe to England - think I'm on the wrong thread here...

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Mooh
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 11:10 AM

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They're still working on their keyboarding skills, but I think I can translate their statements as "Dogs of the world rise up against all that is cat."

They're pretty agitated at the moment, what with all those June bugs to eat and sleep to catch up on, never mind keeping an eye on the cat.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 11:13 AM

99 is the new 100

Subject: RE: BS: Cat people vs dog people
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 11:16 AM

That's the ligament that Max the cat tore when I dropped him from a height of 2 ft.... he limped around the house for days and I carefully lifted him up and down from the sofa so he could snuggle. Then I saw the little bugger bouncing round the garden like nothing was wrong, until he spotted me in the window, whereupon the littel bastard started limping again. Needless to say, the coddling stopped there.

LTS