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Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views

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BARRETTS PRIVATEERS
CAPE ST.MARY'S
GARNETT'S HOMEMADE BEER
HARRIS AND THE MARE
LOOKOUT HILL
MICKEY'S MOUSKETEERS
NORTHWEST PASSAGE
SAFE IN THE HARBOUR
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THE FLOWERS OF BERMUDA
THE HOUSE OF ORANGE
THE IDIOT
THE JEANNIE C.
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WHITE COLLAR HOLLER


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Subject: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: number 6
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 04:09 PM

In an interview with Garnet Rogers in today's local Saint John Telegraph Journal ......

Regarding his brothers Stan Rogers song Barrett's Privateers. Here are some quotes from Garnet.

" I think Stan compared that song to stepping in dog doo. You step in it , it's on your shoe and you can never get it off. It was fun to sing for about six months (back in 1976), but it turned in to this Frankenstein's monster that wouldn't die, wouldn't shut up and go away"

"it was written as a joke"

" I have had drunken morons in every bar in North America come up and demand that I sing that song. It's like, "go away" and then they try to sing it to you. That song is like a drunken uncle at a wedding"

The article went on to say .... " this song haunts him to this day, a yo-ho-ho albatross, a pub brawl mug thumper.

sIx


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 04:15 PM

But it is still a brilliant, wonderful and fantastic song!!
I first heard it in a bar in Sidmouth only two years ago and have wondered ever since why I have not heard it before!
Ifor


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 04:18 PM

Go Garnet! Go Garnet!


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 04:37 PM

You might jusr have to settle for being a broken man, and shed private tears.....

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 05:50 PM

Well, maybe it's because I'm not a known performer, or maybe it's because I don't write enough of my own material, or maybe its because I carry a guitar better than I play one; or, maybe it's simply that I truly believe that those (very few in my case) folks out there who support what you do deserve to hear those songs that keep them coming back - to the tip jar or not.

When I was at the university I had position to interview Harry Chapin who was late for a scheduled concert start at Pine Knob; so, he apologized set about doing a three-hour show. He then went out and signed autographs for forty-five minutes or so and THEN found time to do an interview with some guy from a local university newspaper - not too shabby. During that interview Harry Chapin told me that he was the
luckiest "son-of-a-bitch" in the world to be able to get up in front of folks and get paid for a living for what he does. I subscribe to that philosophy whole-heartedly; and, in my opinion, if folks want to hear a song that you're tired of singing - suck it up and give 'em the best damned version you can.

I'm sure Stan probably thought that he had written a ton of songs that were better than "Barrett's," and wished that many of those who asked for it might have wanted to hear one of his "better" songs, but I'll bet he played "BP" nonetheless and played it damned well, too.
Hey, just my opinion. Cheers.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 06:19 PM

Yes, Harry was a giver. Garnett has personal problems I think in being the younger sibling. Having said that, he's a fine musician and singer.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: 282RA
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 06:56 PM

I think Garnet needs to rethink his position if he really said that stuff (some journalists are notorious for putting their own fellings into the mouths of the people they admire most).

Stan wrote a song the whole world sings and Garnet hates that?? Hey, Garnet! I'll trade places with you. I only wish I could write something that got everybody singing.

It's like having a job: you hate it until you find yourself without one.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 07:04 PM

Garnet knew, better than anyone here, the REAL Stan... not the legend.... He was there for pretty much the whole thing.....


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Mooh
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 08:03 PM

What's to rethink? The song is what it is, and not just to Garnet. I love the song, once or twice a year, maybe less now that I don't drink, and anyone can be tired of a song for any reason they like. Garnet always sounded proud of his brother anytime I've heard him, but GEEZ that song!

Garnet, like Stan, is the real deal.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: GUEST,the real me
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 09:16 PM

If Garnet is sick of the song and felt like spouting off about it, so what? Nothing to get all moralistic, self-righteous and holier-than-thou about.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: 282RA
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:34 PM

Wait til everybody stops singing it. Mr. Garnet will almost certainly find that a good deal less tolerable than the current situation. I have no idea what all this real as opposed to legend has to do with anything. Who cares? If you can write a song that everybody likes to sing, you'd damned well enjoy it while it happens. Would he rather people remember his brother or not?

It was bad form for him to spout off like that. He can feel that way if he wants but he could keep that to himself and the world would still turn. .


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:36 PM

What does GR think of Ian Robb's parody, Garnet's Homemade Beer?


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jun 06 - 11:42 PM

Heh! Most famous performers end up with one or two songs that haunt them like an albatross around their neck. I can well understand Garnett's reaction after all this time to "Barret's Privateers". I've heard that Don McLean feels that way about "American Pie" too.

If I was Murray McLaughlin, it would be "The Farmer Song" that would give me nightmares.

I wrote a parody based on "Barrett's Privateers", and it's even longer than the original. One guy I know always requests that I play it....everybody else begs me not to. No accounting for tastes.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Barry Finn
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:05 AM

He (GR) didn't write it.
Barry


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 01:15 AM

Sometimes you write a song that you don't consider your best effort, but the public eats it up.
What are you gonna do? Take it back?

I read an interview with Jimmy Buffett once where he was asked about 'Margaritaville', and did he hate the Parrotheads continually hollering for it at his shows.

He said 'Why? It paid for my boat, it paid for my plane; why would I refuse to sing it?'

Seamus


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: GUEST,Billy
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 01:37 AM

As it says, Garnet was reporting Stan's reaction to the song. Stan wrote it. Garnet merely sang harmony on the recording. Many songwriters have rued the day their lesser works became monsters (see Roy Williamson's "Flower Of Scotland")
But it is not Garnet's song, so noone should expect him to sing it. It seems to me that it took him a long time to get over Stan's death before he ever sang ANY of Stan's songs.
Garnet has written a lot of great songs of his own and is an excellent solo performer. If you compare vocals, Garnet has (now) a much smoother and fuller baritone than Stan (although, unfortunately, we will never know how much better Stan could have been) and is a better guitarist and multi-instrumentalist than Stan.
I think you do Garnet wrong to say he is less than his brother. He is a wonderful writer and performer who took a loss, grieved, redirected his life and moved on.
Why can't you?


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 02:11 AM

If Roy Williamson were alive I think he would be pleased that ' Flower Of Scotland ' has become the unofficial Scottish national anthem as much as Ralph McTell still sings ' Streets Of London ' and is still proud of it.

Any song which is done to death becomes irritating, or even annoying, personally I like Barrets Privateers but I can't stand Stans song ' The Lock Keeper ' now that is one god awful song, whoever rescued that from Stans wastepaper basket should be shot.

eric


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: breezy
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 05:41 AM

Steve Tiston has described 'Naked highwayman ' as his albatross, but he does is still , dont knock the luck chaps

Stan's writing was in a higher league than the average.


It appears that S R is still to be discovered by many more people yet.

This Friday - heck , tomorrow - at Barton le Clay in Bedfordshire will be a good place to start, its a fund raiser in aid of the Royal National Lifeboat Institution

7.00 till 12

£5 only


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: GUEST,Julia
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 09:35 AM

I think Billy has it right
The point is, Barret's is not Garnet's song, good song or not. If YOU write a song and everyone wants it, that's reason enough to keep singing it, if you feel obligated.
But Garnet should not feel obligated to sing this song any more than he should feel obligated to sing Danny Boy or the Unicorn, or Amazing Grace.
It's doubly hard for him because people EXPECT him to carry on his brother's reputation. He loved and admired his brother and is very public about that, but he IS a living , growing musician in his own "write".
Give the guy a break! He's carrying TWO albatross-es and just wants to be appreciated for who he IS.

If you have not heard him live, check it out.. and DON'T ask for Barret's Privateers

Best- Julia


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 09:40 AM

I'd forgotten about this song, must go and learn it. Thanks for starting the thread.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 10:15 AM

There is a reason we all get asked to do this song ad nauseum. It is a great song, period.

Glad to hear Garnet's recounting of the story. But remember, it is only his version. Stan's relationship with the other folks in his band was family like. They were very close. I would in hearing their take on it as well.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 10:44 AM

"Nothing to get all moralistic, self-righteous and holier-than-thou about."
But that's all most Mudcatters have!

"It is a great song, period."
Don't for a second think that popularity necessitates quality....


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: JedMarum
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:13 AM

Right on Texas Guest! Well said. I couldn't agree more.

Mick is right on too - there's a reason people ask for these songs over and over (and over and over) ... especially Barrett's Privateers. I've heard lots of folks perform this song - some really well, some just OK - but the audiences always love it!

I have a couple of songs that people ask for all the time. They don't always fit the set that I have going ... they might not be songs that I'd want to play at that moment - but I would always play them, and always give it my best.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:21 AM

The whole thing....

Stan By Me
Garnet Rogers is glad to be back in the Maritimes
(just don't ask him to sing that famous song of his brother's)

By Grant Kerr
Telegraph - Journal

Three decades into his music career, Garnet Rogers is still searching for a shining thing not entirely convinced he's ever going to find it.

In fact, the vetern singer-songwriter isn't even sure he has another album in him, let alone any more songs. This isn't unusual. With each of his ten studio albums, Rogers has always approached it like it may be his last.

But when he finished up 2004's Shining Thing, particularly when he laid down the title track, Rogers wondered what else there was to say.

"They are just brief moments" Rogers said of the element he was trying to capture in the title track. "Like when you're driving through upstate NY in the Adirondacks, then sun breaks through and you're on some little mental journey and it takes you back to your childhood. I spend alot of my life trying to get into that dream state.

It wasn't easy capturing that feeling and he wasn't particularly satisfied with the results.

"In some ways it's almost uncomfortable to write about it. It's just a brief glimpse of something. Writing about it is like trying to catch a butterfly with a howitzer."

Whether or not he had another album in him or not, Rogers still writes songs occasionally.

"You write it down because you have to. Sometimes I think that if I don't write it down, it will block other songs"

He's still touring, though, stopping for in for a rare New Brunswick visit. Garnet Rogers plays two shows at Sessions Cafe in Rothesay this Sunday.

While songwriting may be off the radar, for now at least, he's got other projects on the go. One is his memoirs if life on the road with the late Stan Rogers, his older brother.

"I'm working on a very lyrical, messy life-on-the-road-with-Stan book. It was a different time. It's not an attempt to ruin anyones life view. It's supposed to be funny." Rogers said, explaining that many names will be changed to protect the innocent (as well as guilty) from potential lawsuits and marital explosions.

Rogers, now 50, spoke freely of his long-lost brother, their musical career, Garnet's boozy past and his tempestuous relationship with the Maritimes.

"I am glad to be coming down there. It's almost sick how much I am looking forward to playing down in the Maritimes." Rogers said. Straight out of high school, Garnet Rogers began his musical career with brother Stan, six years his senior, in the early 1970's. Both their parents were from Nova Scotia and they spent many summers in Canso, now home of the Stan Rogers Folk Festival.

For seven yearsm starting in 1976 when Stan Rogers released his debut album, Fogarty's Cove, he, Garnet and band toured relentlessly, often to empty, or indifferent pubs and taverns.

For years, Garnet Rogers had refused to played Stanfest, nervous about some of the "people peripheral to the festival, stuff surrounding it that wasn't sitting right with me," although he was quick to point out that festival founder Troy Greencorn is a "great guy". Two years ago he finally played Stanfest and he's back again this year.

Rogers, although he loves this part of the world, didn't always have an easy time on the East Coast. despite Stan's music being sung in pubs seven nights a week with musicians aping Garnet's fiddle and guitar stylings.

"All the years Stan and I played the Maritimes and we didn't do that well. We would play places like the Chestnut (in Fredericton) and we were literally taking people outside and beating the crap out of them, and bringing them back in to listen. Nobody was into folk music and nobody was listening." Rogers said.

"It was only the last year or so of Stan's life that we setarted doing well in places like Halifax. But before that, we couldn't draw an audience and people didn't want to hear us."

Rogers says this with not a whiff of rancor, but rather as a statement of fact.

His debut solo album, 1984's self-titled effort had been planned between tours and albums with his brother's band.

"There was a block of time he and I allotted for me to record within our schedule. It was never considered that I would leave the band," Rogers said.

But with Stan's death, Garnet found himself in the awkward situation of wanting to continue with music, while dealing with the immense personal loss and the fact that his brother's passing launched Stan Rogers into instant mythical status.

"Rather than being in a band, I was a lone guy with a guitar on stage every night." Rogers said.

Although revered for his rumbling baritone voice, songwriting prowess and ability to play most anything in the string family, his brother's legacy looms large. Although proud of his work with Stan there is one song he would be just as happy if he never heard it again. Unfortunately for him, it's the quintessential pub anthem, belted out by every beer hall band from Saint John to Sydney, NS.

"I think Stan compared that song (Barretts Privateers) to stepping in dog doo. You step in it, it's on your foot and you can never get it off. It was fun to sing for about six months, but it turned into this Frankenstein's monster that wouldn't die, wouldn't shut up and go away.

"It was written as a joke" Rogers said.

The song haunts him to this day, a yo-ho-ho albatross, a pub brawl mug thumper.

"I have had drunken morons in every bar in North America come up and demand that I sing that song. It's like "Go away" And then they try to sing it to you.

That song is like a drunken uncle at a wedding.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: MMario
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:29 AM

I think "great" songs come in two major clasifications - there are the songs that are technically brilliant - either musically or lyrically or both; and then there are the songs that reach out and grab an audience in some manner that they want to hear them over and over - even though they may not be "good" in a technical sense.

What becomes frustrating is that some of the great songs written just never become popular; and some extremely popular songs just aren't that great technically.

I have some friends who do fire dancing; and was watching one of them one day. He did his first bit, got great applause, and went into a second routine - which, technically was much much more difficult - and he did it well.   The problem is - he knew it, I knew it, maybe one or two other people in the audience knew it; but visually it's a dud. the much simpler routine he had done first as a "warm-up" was VISUALLY much more impressive - even though technically it was nothing. He lost most of his audience during the second bit - and was very bitter about it afterwards. and yes, given the right audience - the second bit should have gotton more applause. But life isn't always like that.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: breezy
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:36 AM

Well it takes some learning and even teaching to an audience, once we used visual aids

So once its learned ,its great to sing, and such a good story to the average Joe.

but its a knackerer to lead ! takes energy, effort and application, bit like hard work, leaves ypu drained, so no wonder iteventually becomes a chore

Anyone for Fields of Athenry ?


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:05 PM

The reason the general public likes BP so much is...it has a VERY recognizable and oft-repeated chorus which any idiot can remember and holler along with...it's loud and aggressive, good for drunks or just plain enthusiastic people to bellow out...it has the phrase "God damn them all!" in it, and most people enjoy yelling that (although a few are offended by it).

What more do you need for a popular bar song?

Most of Stan Roger's stuff veers between macho and maudlin...sometimes both at the same time...but for macho and maudlin stuff some of it is pretty damn good. ;-)


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Midchuck
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:36 PM

...personally I like Barrets Privateers but I can't stand Stans song ' The Lock Keeper ' now that is one god awful song, whoever rescued that from Stans wastepaper basket should be shot.

It's my favorite song of all those he wrote that I've ever heard.

Aren't opinions funny?

Peter


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: 282RA
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 12:46 PM

I'm not bothered that Garnet is tired of the song. If I were him, I'd likely be sick to death of it. My problem with his statements is that he is going off on people that like the song. Calling them drunks and demanding he sing it and what not.

If he doesn't want to sing it just say it's Stan's song and not his and leave it be. His brother is being remembered and that should make him happy. He did not write the song but he's acting like he did.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: GUEST,the real me
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 02:18 PM

Jeesh, 282RA - time to get over it and move on with your life.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 03:24 PM

"Calling them drunks and demanding he sing it and what not."
But they ARE drunks.... and they demanded that he sing it... and what not....

"he is going off on people that like the song"
Not at all... he's 'going off' on demanding drunks......


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 03:51 PM

You have it right this time, Clinton. (in my opinion, anyway...)


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 08:09 PM

Stan always shot from the lip more often than he should've; Very strong opinions. Some things I heard him utter were rarely off the mark, but saying them was, at best, ill advised. If they had been reported, his image might've suffered. But he wrote some wonderful songs. And he always did them better than anyone else ever could then, or has since. He once asked me why I'd not learned any of his ballads!? I reminded Stan, standing at the bar at Holstein's folk club in Chicago, that there was no way I'd ever come close to his own versions of any of his songs.

Art


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 10:45 PM

Yep, Art, that is the tricky bit with Stan's songs. I take a great deal of pride in doing songs my own way, based on what they mean to me. Sometimes this drives folks crazy cuz they are used to hearing it a certain way. It really feels good when folks come to me later and remark how much they like my version. But Stan always sang with such conviction and authenticity that his versions are the gold standard. There are very few of his songs that I change much from his version. One example would be Harris And The Mare. I love that song, but every time I listen to Stan's version, I know that I can never do it as well as he does. Even First Christmas, which is one that I often am asked to sing, and which I believe I do very well, still is but an imitation of him.

The man had the empathic ability to absolutely feel and make felt the emotion of every thing he did.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 10:53 PM

I agree with that. No one else could do Stan's songs the way he could, whether you like 'em or not. I don't care much for Harris And The Mare, but he sang it well. I think Northwest Passage is probably his finest album, and it's a superb song.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: JedMarum
Date: 22 Jun 06 - 11:06 PM

I loved the "Lock Keeper" so I probably need to be quiet!

;-)

I can understand wanting to drop songs from your repertoire for whatever reason - Clapton won't sing the song about his los son anymore - can;t blame him. I have the demanding drunks too - but I don;t fell like I owe them anything anyway - it's he polite requests I will not deny, if I can help it.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Willie-O
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 11:29 AM

Matter of fact, for complicated reasons, when Garnet started his solo career, he was actually under legal injunction against performing some-or-all of Stan's material. Probably a blessing in disguise. He didn't have the option of becoming a "tribute artist" and the folk music world is much richer for the fact that he didn't.   

His natural style as it has developed is much gentler than Stan's although there are obvious tonal similarities.

It's funny how different songs of Stan's inspire such stark reactions--love or hate--I have 'em too. If I get a request for "Barrett's Privateers" (in an appropriate venue), I'll still sing it and enjoy it. The phenomenon however of a drunk fellow thrashing up to the stage and asking for a microphone so he can belt it out--and it always turns out he can't get the words right, too--I have experienced many times and could do without.

I'm looking forward to Garnet's book, but in a way I think his beautifully lyrical song "Night Drive" says all that needs to be said about the relationship of the two brothers. Hearing him sing it under a huge, electric Winnipeg Folk Festival evening sky is one of the strongest images I have from all my years of festival-going. (Including the moment when two teenagers walked by me, one saying to the other "This guy's really depressing eh."

Night Drive lyrics

You take the good and the bad and the memories and you keep on going...

Bill


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 11:51 AM

I've heard a LOT of people 'covering' Stans songs.... Most shouldn't have.... a few were very adequate.....

A couple were better than even he was.....


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Greg B
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 05:08 PM

Harris and the Mare seems like a song that was written for his
voice and cadence. I heard Mary Travers do it...she did it well,
but she's got as strong a baritone as Stan :-) What I love about
the song is it's unique, conversational, sound. It's not so much
like it's being sung as recited, yet it's being sung...

I'm very fond of 'The Field Behind the Plow.' In fact, I like
to sing it during field work in my 1956 International 300
tractor (my rows are straight and light---pasture mowing).
And sometimes, the rain DOESN'T take its own sweet time!

Songs like that, and 'Night Guard' might have made Stan a
Country-Western star had he lived longer.

I understand the thing with Barrett's. It's one of those
songs a teenage kid will all too often take on in an attempt
to sing with a bit of a swagger or because he thinks it's
cool to sing 'God damn them all.' He usually sings it far too
fast and lacks the wind/breath control to survive the last
two lines of the verse. It is, after all, a song where you
better take a breath when you can, or you're going to end
up squeaking, not belting. (The trick of course is to let
someone else handle the 'whoop' in ...Sherbrooke now, and
be INHALING big time after a brief 'now.') Old chanteyman's
trick. Take a bloody rest on the choruses!

For his next number, 'The Auld Dun Cow.'

Or how about the guy who just HAS to follow 'Privateers' with
'Garnet's Homebrewed Beer' as if everybody really wants to
sing more of that chorus and as if singing the parody shows
him to be more clever than the chap who sang 'Privateers'
(perhaps well or not).


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: GUEST,catlin
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 07:03 PM

I have just 2 words to say to this whole thing concerning famous dead brothers: Tom Chapin. Tom has a career of his own, mostly doing concerts for children, if memory serves me correctly. I don't know if he ever gets asked to do Harry's stuff or not but it wouldn't suprise me.

I guess Garrett might be a bit tired of being asked about BP as often as he probably is and would rather talk about his own musical career instead. Just a thought.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: GUEST,catlin
Date: 23 Jun 06 - 07:19 PM

And...just try singing "Queen of Argyl" anywhere near as well as Andy Stewart. It just can't be done. Kudos Art Thieme and Big Mick. Just because you know the words and the melody doesn't mean you should automatically attempt it. I and mine sing "Lovely Agnes" by Sally Rogers (at parties) and it sounds ok but it will never sound the way we hear Sally sing it. It'll never happen.


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 24 Jun 06 - 01:26 AM

"but it will never sound the way we hear Sally sing it."

Who says it should.... The world had ONE Stan Rogers already... we don't need another.... or a pale copy of him....


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 24 Jun 06 - 09:38 PM

I did do "White Squall"---a fine song. Growing up on Lake Michigan, it spoke to me.

Of all Stan's songs, my favorite one was probably "Flying"---Go figure? It always brings back memories of taking the Madison Street bus out to the old Chicago Stadium for Blackhawk games in the era of Bobby Hull, Eric Nesterenko, Doug Mohns, Stan Mikita, Moose Vasko, Glen Hall---and, later, Tony Espozito. What a fine and emotional arrangement Stan put together for that song!!

Art


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Subject: RE: Barrett's Privateers .. Garnet's views
From: LadyJean
Date: 24 Jun 06 - 11:15 PM

There's the thread, Barett's Parodies. I know an S.C.A. parody about a group of Scadians who try to hijack one of the boats at Jamestown to become privateers. It ends with the lines, "So they took us to jail and they read us our rights and some guy named Bubba says he likes my tights." The lady who wrote it is a four star pain in the derriere. But she brings down the house with that song.


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