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Subject: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:55 PM It seems that when I send files to a server using FTP it is a pretty tidy process. My daughter has a couple of games she plays that have immense files--over a gig--and they take forever to download. Is the standard dialog box and telling the computer the save the file in some particular location operating at the same speed as FTP? Is it going through a different process? Is FTP faster or the same? Next part to this question: what FTP programs do you use? I have a free one I downloaded and use in relation to files at the university where I work. Are there commercial programs that are a little easier to use? I have had no luck making the FTP part of FrontPage or Dreamweaver work correctly, but what else is out there? My little WS_FTP95 LE does the job, in a scanty sort of fashion. I walked into my sleeping daughter's room this morning and her computer was on from overnight. She was transferring a file from a friend's computer to hers in such a way that she'd left her Internet Security and Firewall disabled so the file would come through. That isn't acceptible and I (to her chagrin when she awoke hours later) turned on the firewall and it stopped the transfer. Evil nasty mother is now downloading a different but similar ponderous monster onto her own computer (with security firmly in place) and will burn it to a DVD for her. This thing is going to take all day to download. What a pain. And I have to locate her programs that let her burn DVDs--part of the problem is that she hasn't explored around so she doesn't know how to use her own DVD burner, but when the computer company puts a DVD burner in the machine they provide the ability to burn DVDs. She hasn't figured that one out on any of the several computers she has access to. If the software in the computer isn't adequate (probably Roxio, which should do the job) is there a free burner from Nero these days? A friend told me he had one but I haven't gone looking to find it since I have a regular paid-for version of Nero on my computer. Thanks for any insight on this process! SRS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Aug 06 - 01:00 PM "That isn't acceptible" Why not?!?!? I turn that crap off and back on all the time to do big file transfers, with no ill-effects at all "I turned on the firewall" Tell your daughter I'll teach her how to lock you OUT of her computer |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Aug 06 - 01:53 PM Well, Clinton Hammond, when you pay for her computer and plan to keep it running for the next four years, then you may consider approaching her on the subject. Until then, no thanks. Leaving a computer sitting wide open and unattended with the firewall and the Internet security off on DSL is an invitation to trouble, even with a router in between. You've just been lucky. Unless someone can give me a lucid, well-considered reason for leaving it safely in that state, I'll continue to insist that she practice safe computing. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Aug 06 - 01:56 PM " give me a lucid, well-considered reason" Try this.... You're over-paranoid.... Especially if you have a decent router.... you don't NEED a firewall then.... Your router should have a hardware firewall.... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: GUEST,Jon Date: 09 Aug 06 - 02:05 PM I wouldn't be leaving the PC wide open... If the firewall is blocking it , configure it to allow it. As for ftp programs, I just use the free "ftp surfer" on windows. Does me. As for downloading large files from a friends, could a CD or DVD provide a better solution? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Aug 06 - 03:01 PM I think the CD or the DVD is a great solution. If the kids had access to servers where they could park these files then load them into their own computers they'd probably get past the firewall problem. The Internet access I use doesn't, that I'm aware of, offer big places to park stuff like that. The university does, and I use that every so often. But I'm not going to have my daughter and her friend parking their games on my university space. Symantec's firewall is a bugger sometimes. It has gotten easier over the years, but I'll sit down with her on this latest version and see what we can work out as far as permissions for downloads. But not many FTP answers have turned up so far. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Bill D Date: 09 Aug 06 - 03:05 PM best FTP...FileZilla opensource freeware. and if there is a problem, cut the file into smaller parts with something like HJSplit I think "Mastersplitter" is another good one. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Bill D Date: 09 Aug 06 - 03:11 PM There are also places that specialize in hosting huge files, like Rapidshare (up to 100 megs) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: JohnInKansas Date: 09 Aug 06 - 03:34 PM SRS - Clinton can get by with turning off security, because Clinton is sufficiently knowledgeable to recognize and correct problems if they should occur. The same knowledge cannot be assumed for a daughter; and it is perfectly appropriate for you to insist on whatever conditions you believe necessary. I've found very few instances where it's actually necessary to turn off the firewall, since most firewalls allow you to make a "duration of connection exception" any time something is blocked. If you have a regular connection you expect to use frequently, with most firewalls you can enter the specific site and a specific program to be used for the contact in a permanent list of exceptions. Finding where to enter your exceptions can be a puzzle with most firewalls. As an example only, since I'll assume you're not using just the WinXP firewall: Some programs seem to stop working after you install Windows XP Service Pack 2 KB842242. Gives fairly specific instructions for how to selectively permit an individual program to access your computer (i.e. how to unblock a port) when you're using the WinXP firewall. Troubleshooting Windows Firewall settings in Windows XP Service Pack 2 KB875357. Mostly the same instructions as for the preceding link. The "WinXP firewall specific" stuff may give you clues to where to look in your own firewall info. Instructions on how to determine what ports are used by a particular connection may be more generally helpful, since you'll need that information for any FTP connection that you want to run through a firewall. Individual files can be downloaded via FTP in Internet Explorer with no other program required; but a separate connection is required for each file which may be inconvenient in some cases. Other browsers presumedly have similar ability. In IE, Click Tools | Internet Options and click the "Advanced" tab at the top. Make sure that there's a check mark in the box for "Enable folder view for FTP sites." Windows, at least since Win2K, has a built in FTP manager, so if you can live with "dossy" you can just click Start | Run and type "FTP" (no quotes) followed by the address for the connection. A login should be required next, and a few DOSSY commands will need to be mastered. A quick summary is at How to Use FTP. The above link suggests a "free FTP" program that sounds similar to what you have. The program you use should be relatively immaterial, since FTP is a well standardized protocol. Someone may be able to suggest one with "features" ... ... Where you save a download on your computer should have no effect on how fast the download is completed. Your hard drive can write a lot faster than any web connection you're likely to have available to you. Under some circumstances a T1 (fiber optic) link can slightly push currently typical hard drive speeds in deep RAID arrays, but for a copy to a single hard drive, the drive should be well ahead of the link transfer. On my dial-up connection, I average about 3.7 KB/sec, although I get occasional "bursts" up to about 7.5. A GB download would look like around 50 hours for me, so I'd probably just use a large stick on the kid, and/or give 'm a book to read. WinXP does drag-n-drop CD burns, but I don't think it has that capability for DVD. I'll defer to others on what freeby DVD burn programs may be available. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Aug 06 - 03:40 PM "The same knowledge cannot be assumed for a daughter" And if she's never taught she'll NEVER learn.... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:03 AM She is being taught, CH. I came upon her going through the drill after she got up John, that box is checked in my tools/options/advanced settings. Bill, you always recommend great programs. I think you're the one who told me about PDF995. I'm about to switch to Adobe (work will provide it) but it has been a lifesaver. Anyway, I've figured out how to load files via FTP onto the free pages that come with my Earthlink accounts, but it is removing them that has me puzzled. I think the answer is to FTP the whole new file of the same name over the file that is there and it will replace the contents, not add to the old folder's contents, correct? I've been spoiled for years, working on a live server at the university, where I can see everything and just work on it or move it around to my heart's content. FTP feels more like shooting the files through a dingy keyhole and then peeking in to see if they splattered around the room the way I wanted them to. :) SRS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:23 AM A good 'background downloader' - I currently use FDM - allow you to run a download of any size in the background, or just walk away. FDM will allow 1) auto shutdown PC (and/or hang up dialup modem) when finished. 2) auto restart of an uncompleted transfer (if the server allows it) over multiple sessions. 3) auto priority of multiple simultaneous downloads ads well as shunting dnld rate up and down while using the web browser. 4) splits a large file into several simultaneous 'channels' - this means that the total throughput can be the max of your connection - sometimes individual 'channels slow down and speed up -this is just the way the net works. 5) dialup or broadband. 6) runs thru any firewall. I did discuss this in another thread here a while ago, but can't remember the link. They now have un updated free version. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Aug 06 - 10:10 AM Sounds good. Some of the folks who offer large software programs offer their own download manager (I'm thinking of Netscape, where I first encountered this) but I don't think it works for other companies. I'll go look it up. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Clinton Hammond Date: 10 Aug 06 - 10:29 AM "spybot search&destroy, AdAware, and running a Symantec scan of the system" If you set the system up properly, you will rarely if ever need that stuff..... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Bill D Date: 10 Aug 06 - 10:40 AM " I think the answer is to FTP the whole new file of the same name over the file that is there and it will replace the contents, not add to the old folder's contents, correct?" That will work....you 'should' also be able to delete any file on your 'free space' also using your ftp...I do this all the time with mine (the FileZilla I mentioned). I have not use WS-FTP for several years, preferring what seems to me to be an easier GUI in FileZilla. I guess I never even tried to directly delete using WS-FTP...maybe some programs don't support that commnad...*shrug* (It seems like some form of FTP is built into a number of programs these days....I have 2-3 filemanagers with it. Each requires a different set of steps though, so I have sorta settled on one.) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Aug 06 - 12:19 PM In the past I've used an FTP program with a GUI more friendly than what this one has. I was doing some work for a friend on her AOL account--it was a struggle from beginning to end. I'll look up the FileZilla and see if I can set it up to do the job. I've used this space to post photos of books I'm selling on eBay, and would like to remove them when I finish with them. Why pay eBay extra money to post larger mulitiple images when I have space going to waste elsewhere? But I so rarely have ever had to use FTP that there is a learning curve. Clinton Hammond, is there any occasion on which you are not a wet blanket? Is anyone ever allowed to have their own valid judgement and reasons for doing things, or are you just always right? SRS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Bill D Date: 10 Aug 06 - 12:27 PM yep...paying eBay is silly if you have space. (97% of my FTP use is to post pics and files and MP3s, etc., that I link to in Mudcat....how else could I adequately show my spatula collection! *grin* I 'have' a website, but am embarrassed to admit I have not properly developed it. If I get off my butt and just get it going, there will be woodturning, music and such...all requiring regular FTP use. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Dave the Gnome Date: 10 Aug 06 - 12:31 PM Just type in FTP from the DOS or unix prompt and then use FTPs own command set. Wonderful language all of it's own:-) Mind you if you think Ed and Vi are an old married couple you may struggle... Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Bill D Date: 10 Aug 06 - 12:41 PM well, some us who never DID computers in the DOS era have a deep & abiding phobia for command prompt language (:>)). I get my /CD dir - PDQ * TOS \ WTF confused with my autoexec.bat (you mean it's NOT Lee Iococca as a vampire?) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Clinton Hammond Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:07 PM "have their own valid judgement" Why don't you try having one for a change and we'll find out.... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Bill D Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:17 PM gee, Clinton...were you frightened by Don Rickles as a baby? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Aug 06 - 02:02 PM I think he needs something to do. You notice for all of his posts on this thread he hasn't contributed anything worthwhile. I used to use DOS, but it has been long enough now that last time I had to use it (when I was diagnosing a failing hard drive) I had to look up and print out some useful commands. So FTP has it's own set? Care to post a link to a clear discussion of them? That would be a curiosity, at the very least. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: GUEST,Jon Date: 10 Aug 06 - 02:11 PM On a Linux box you could just type man ftp. But here you go. http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ftp |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 10 Aug 06 - 11:46 PM run ftp ftp> ? Commands may be abbreviated. Commands are: ! delete literal prompt send ? debug ls put status append dir mdelete pwd trace ascii disconnect mdir quit type bell get mget quote user binary glob mkdir recv verbose bye hash mls remotehelp cd help mput rename close lcd open rmdir |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 10 Aug 06 - 11:48 PM Checked out http://sourceforge.net/projects/filezilla/ sadly it appears to have bypassed 98SE... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: JohnInKansas Date: 11 Aug 06 - 01:49 AM A suggestion for users who have a single website that requires regular "management" - perhaps. So far as I can tell, the process works for all recent Windows versions, but I've only confirmed it (in part) for WinXP and Win2K. With some websites you may also be able to use the WebDAV protocol, under what WinXP calls "Web Folders." Essentially, you go to "My Network Places" in Windows Explorer and create a folder identity for the connection. Once the external site is identified as a "folder" on your machine, you can copy, paste, move, delete, etc in Windows Explorer just as if the web site was a folder on your machine. IF YOUR FOLDER at the web site supports the required protocols, when you create the folder on your machine you can put your "username" and "password" for the external location in the "Use As" identity. The folder will show continuously in your Windows Explorer, but the connection should only open when you right click on the folder and choose "Open." If the connection is open you can right click and choose "Close." Note that I have NOT tried this with a "web connection" but have used the "use as" connection within my own LAN and it works quite cleanly there. At WinXP Start | Help and Support, Click "Index" at the top and enter "WebDAV," select "defined" as a topic, and you'll get a choice of a glossary definition or a "how to." If you select the "how to" you'll get a brief description, including: "The Web server that hosts the document or folder that you want to access must support the Web Folders protocol (WebDAV) and Internet Information Services (IIS), or the Web Extender Client (WEC) protocol and FrontPage extensions. You must also have read and write access to the Web server." Microsoft uses the term "Web Folders" to describe this method, which you can also look up in Help as above. (I note that under the Web Folders entry it does suggest that you leave "your Microsoft Firewall" turned on while connected. This should mean that your other firewall can be used while connected.) John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: JohnInKansas Date: 11 Aug 06 - 01:57 AM In my WinXP, if I go to Start | Run and type "ftp" I get an FTP window, with a complaint of "Unknown Host," but if I charge on and type "Help" I get: ftp> help The input "help command gets a very terse description of what the command does, although it does not show what arguments and/or switches – if any – can be used with the command. Example: If I type "help mdir" I get: ftp> help mdir (type "bye" to exit the ftp window) Slightly more detail is found at: List of FTP commands for the Microsoft command-line FTP client Site: nsftools.com "This is a list of the commands available when using the Microsoft Windows command-line FTP client (requires TCP/IP to be installed). All information is from the Windows NT help files." See also: RAW FTP Commands for additional if needed. The following note appears here: "List of raw FTP commands (Warning: this is a technical document, not necessary for most FTP use.)" John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: GUEST,Jon Date: 11 Aug 06 - 04:56 AM for comparison, this is what I get on my Linux box:
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Aug 06 - 10:12 AM That's interesting--all tucked away in there just in case someone figures it out and uses it. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: GUEST,Qst about huge files on FTP Date: 13 Aug 06 - 08:46 AM Hi all, I have a KiSS DP-558 HDD TV recorder attached to my LAN, and acts as a FTP-server. It records TV programs up to about 100 hrs. Since the files can become very very big (eg : 4 GB for an 1.5 hr movie) and since I would only need to transfer a part of this file to my computer (eg : in order to save the credit titles music), what solution would you advise ? I tried many solutions, but all the splitters, VOB-cutters etc want to save ALL the file in the local cache before handling it. That's exactly what I don't want ! I would like to be able to cut that file remotely, or, at least to download a few MB of a 4 GB single file. Thanks for your answer ! Oliver |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 13 Aug 06 - 09:01 AM Without the ability to edit a file on the remote gadget (if it were a 'normal' UNIX/Linux box, for example) - all I can suggest is to part-transfer the file, then you MIGHT be able to play with the beginning of it locally - as for end titles, etc, you can only NORMALLY edit any file that has been shoved into your local box's cache... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 13 Aug 06 - 09:14 AM Of course, it is possible to edit a 'stream' on the fly - but the way the video stream is encoded makes it a bit complicated... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Query-File Transfer Protocol-huge files From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Aug 06 - 01:21 PM I have a very general idea of what you're asking. I have a Digital Video Recorder with my satellite television device and I would like to burn disks of those recorded programs, but haven't tried because I don't know the steps. However: My daughter has a video/receiver card given her by her father that apparently is used for transferring television and radio into the computer for processing. It is installed with software that assists with this. It was in the computer she shared with her brother, but I recently had to change out that computer's hard drive so I took out her card at the same time. She didn't use it much, but still plans to. I'll be installing it into her new (college-bound) computer before she leaves. With this card she can do all of what you're asking. I have a software program that copies DVDs and it breaks them down into manageable file sizes, but as far as I know there is no editing feature involved. I think if you looked into the commercial DVD burning programs you'd find small programs buried in the system that let you do the editing, etc. I use Nero and it has lots of little programs like that for editing sound, and probably has something for editing video also. SRS |
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