BS: Gall Bladder Pain

Subject: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 01:40 PM

Looks like the wife is gonna have to have hers out, but it might be a while, Healthcare bing what it is these days in Canada

So any good suggestions for dealing with the pain of an attack? She's at the point where she'll even try some of that mysty-swirly-New-Age-bullflap.... The codine she's on now helps, but one doesn't wanna live on that....

I read that it hurts even more than childbirth

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 01:45 PM

I think your doctor would be the best source of information - but if all he's suggesting is the codine I'd be tempted to look into accupuncture/pressure.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: dianavan
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 01:50 PM

Drink lots and lots of water and hope it passes through the duct on its own.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 01:55 PM

If she drinks any more water, she's gonna sprout gills!

LOL

"doctor would be the best source of information"
Of course..... goes without saying

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 02:05 PM

cut way back on grease intake, like refried beans with cheese, in fact most really cheesy things or oily/greasy bring on the attacks. a change in diet helped a lot for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 02:06 PM

Avoid any and all grease or fatty foods. I can not believe that the folks running the Canadian health care system are not treating a Gall Bladder as a priority surgery. Do they want to wait until a neglected condition leads to more serious complications in which case they would incurr additional expenses ? My advice to you is go south of the border and get it done in the USA. My wife had it done recently. With the new laproscopic procedure it is a simple same day surgery where you do not even have to spend the night in the hospital.

                                                 SOL ZELLER

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 02:08 PM

We've already done the no fat/grease thing....

"folks running the Canadian health care system are not treating a Gall Bladder as a priority surgery."
No body said that in the least... try not to continually over-react eh

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: jacqui.c
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 02:08 PM

When I had that problem tonic water was suggested by a nurse friend. It worked for me!

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: jeffp
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 02:15 PM

Keep an eye on her skin color, especially the whites of the eyes. If she starts showing signs of jaundice, head for the emergency room. It's an early sign of the liver breaking down.

Also, make sure they do a pathological examination of the removed tissue. Gall bladder cancer is rare, but it is usually deadly.

Hope she can get it sorted out in short order.

All the best,

Jeff

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 02:17 PM

" a pathological examination of the removed tissue"
Already the plan Jeff!!

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 02:19 PM

okay now this may sound stupid, but it worked for me.

I had awful gall bladder pain, and it wouldn't go. I was on the maximum pain killers. I had stopped eating fatty foods weeks ago, but the pain persisted and was awful, my fingers were unable to fret the guitar - it was like the arm was paralysed.

I went to a chiropracter. They told me this guy is good. I said its not back pain - they said never mind, just try him.

he took one look at my back - he said look the whole problem is that when you had the gall bladder attack, the pain was so intense - your muscles went into spasm - they're all knotted.

And he proceeded to unknot the muscles with his fingers. some little knots - he squeezed flat with his fingers, sometimes he reached and prodded right inside, and he did the usual chiropractic thing of unfreezing your back by putting you on a bed, the bottom half of which collapses.

it worked for me. the pain relief was instantaneous. perhaps it would be worth a try. see what other people think.

all the best, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: jeffp
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 02:32 PM

Glad you've got it covered. I think it's routine, but it doesn't hurt to be certain.

Jeff

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 02:33 PM

Not in the least Jeff!!

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 03:32 PM

Mrs G has just had hers out! She got hers done following the gallstones bringing on Pancreatitis. My advice would be do whatever possible to get the gall bladder sorted before it is allowed to develop into any of the other problems. If we had known before what we know now we would have mortgaged up to the hilt and paid to go private before putting her through that.

Hopefuly Mrs H will not develop any other problems, most people don't, but the pancreatitis was horrendous. They had known she had gall stones for over a year and nothing was done. Like I say - do whatever you can to push her up the list.

A little co-incidence that may make you smile - Did you know Shambles name was Roger Gall? Well, with one gall giving your Mrs problems and another causing pains here perhaps they should all be removed. :-)

Good luck and all the best to yout good lady.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 03:48 PM

There is no "Mrs H".... :-)

They've done tests and they know there's no 'stones' but there is some 'gunk' (I believe that's the very word the doc used) that could BECOME stones that is causing issues and pain....

" the pancreatitis was horrendous"
You don't have to tell me... I had that.... brough on by a REALLY bad case of acid reflux.... I treated that with nothign other than 'diet' and I've been golden for years and years and years.....

"do whatever you can to push her up the list"
Maybe they'll take her tonight if I, say, shoved her into traffic????
LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 04:52 PM

I agree with Dave the Gnome--my mother had to have the gall bladder removed, but they had to clear up the pancreatitis first. Best to avoid that if you can.

U.S. health care isn't that much better, depending on your coverage. A coworker of mine chose the HMO plan for her healthcare (I pay more for PPO, but I just go to a doctor of my choice when I need to go), and when her gall bladder got hot they kept referring her around, but not doing anything about it. She finally was in such pain she camped out at the hospital emergency room. One of the ER surgeons there took a look at her and had her in for the surgery later that day. The HMO would have kept referring her around. She'd have had a lot easier time were it done earlier and with the arthroscopic approach.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 05:37 PM

I was advised by an old friend of the family who had suffered from gallstones, to eat an orange after any food that may contain fat. I did for 3 or 4 years. Still have my gallbladder despite hospitalization for one attack which required 2 days of morphine to get through, when I was in my 30's. The pain was eye-crossing, even loaded up with morphine. I was still moaning and pacing the hospital room floor with enough of the stuff in me to drop a stevador according to the nurse. Scared the shit out of my husband.

I was also told by a nurse then I was a prime candidate for gallstones because I was 3F.....fair, fat and forty.....well "fat and forty" was not quite spot on, but the fair bit was.

Also a young resident at the time advised me to have my gallbladder removed too. After a scan in the hospital, I was advised that I was loaded with gallstones. However, I had just had major surgery about 2 weeks prior and I didn't feel up to another go round under the knife so soon. So I asked if they would just do something for the pain temporarily, so I could return home and speak to my own doctor when she returned from holidays.

That was over 20 years ago and I have never had another gall bladder attack since. Go figure.... So even if she wants to go ahead with the surgery and has to wait a bit, in the interim, oranges don't suck as far as I'm concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 06:10 PM

I have gall stone problems too. I had a few bad attacks way back in the early 80s and then nothing and I thought I had got away with it.

Sadly they have struck again! According to my GP just about everyone has stones, but usually they don't play up. When they do - pure hell. I've found that the only thing to do is to sit out the attacks in the knowledge that the pain WILL pass after the moving stone has passed down the bile duct at some point.

I heard today that I will have mine out on the 1st September but probably not with keyhole surgery, because of other problems. Can't wait!

Incidentally they don't usually do the actual surgery while the gall bladder is 'hot'.

Rhiannon

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 07:09 PM

RE: Patho on removed tissue.

I don't know what the policy is in Canada but in the US virtually all Docs and hospitals mandate examination of anything removed......if not for diagnosis, certainly because of malpractice suits. The whole thing reaches the point of ridiculous. Any decent Doc will want a lab report of course but this malpractice/lawsuit crap is out of hand. Karen is Lead Tech in a large hospital Histology lab and everyday they process 5-10 toenails ferchrissakes. The reason is to simply have proof that the procedure was done.

Needless to say the hospital bills the patient for this...........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 07:43 PM

I'll not pry, Cinton, entirely your own business, but when you say "Looks like the wife is gonna have to have hers out" it scans like there is a Mrs Hammond. Sorry if I caused offense or confusion. Still sending best wished to her (or him!) anyway.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 08:36 PM

hahhaha Gotcha, Clinton! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Old Guy
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 09:20 PM

I never had lot of pain but my gallbladder died on me. It just quit functioning and got infected. It took over a week in the hospital to diagnose.

They were going to remove it Laparoscopically with TV camera but it was so bad they had to take it out the old fashioned way. The doc said it looked like a bar of Irish Spring soap. He said it was a tribute to my body because it had enclosed the dead organ in an attempt to keep the infection contained.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 07:15 AM

Zany Mouse - I've PM'd you.
S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 12:46 PM

" "Looks like the wife is gonna have to have hers out" it scans like there is a Mrs Hammond."

Sure it does.... but she and I are 21st Century people.... we felt no need to perpetuate patriarchal domination just so we could share our lives together.... when I met her she was Sarah FitzGerald.... when I fell in love with her she was Sarah FitzGerald.... There was no reason why, after I married her, she shouldn't continue to be Sarah FitzGerald....   So, there is no "Mrs Hammond"...

Heh

"Sorry if I caused offense or confusion."
No worries at all Dave... neither! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 02:14 PM

I had a gallstone lodged in the duct, and about two more besides. The pain/attack was mindblowing. And I am quite intolerant of whiny patients, and always thought my mom & sisters to be whiny about theirs...karma catches up.

Anyway, I have not had mine removed. I changed my diet, and worked with a clinical nutritionist through my regular physician. That didn't just include eliminating fried and fatty foods, though. There were other dietary triggers it took some time to sort out. And the nutritionist also recommended lecithin as a supplement.

I also started acupuncture immediately, because I chose not to have the gallbladder removed. Well, I should say, I decided to treat conservatively, before choosing surgery. Had these treatments not worked after a month, my plan was to have the gallbladder surgery.

My acupuncture treatments definitely worked, but it took 4-6 weeks to get it completely under control. In the meantime, I took some very effective Chinese medicines. I began taking lecithin (it is now available in gel cap form, so you don't have to slug down the vile liquid). It is used to treat liver disease, and I was trying to head that off as a complication. I took about 10 days off work, without pay. I was also uninsured at that time, so all my treatments were out of pocket. There are 2 very good Chinese acupuncture/medical schools where I live, and I was fortunate enough to get their student pricing.

So, diet change, acupuncture, Chinese medicines (very effective and more fast acting than the acupuncture), and lecithin gel caps to stave off liver complications. That was in 1998, and I've never had a relapse, now eat whatever I want, and rarely have pain.

My recommended lecithin dose was 350 to 500 mg taken 3 times daily. For those taking it to combat high cholesterol, 500 to 900 mg taken 3 times daily is common.

Good luck to Ms. FitzGerald.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 02:23 PM

Ahhhhh - Like I said, Clinton, your own business entierely but thanks for sharing that with us - A really good explanation showing us that beneath that hard exterior lies a true romantic! And a good way to show people that tradition is not always right for everyone:-) Not that you would ever say that;-)

Keep us posted and let us know if Sarah has the op and/or decides on any of the alternatives. I would definitely do something soon though as I would hate her to get pancreatitis:-(

Good luck and best wishes

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 02:27 PM

"beneath that hard exterior lies a true romantic!"

Hey!! that's defamation of character! Don't MAKE me get my lawyer!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 06:44 AM

Yep Clinton - beware the dreaded pancreatitis. If the gallstones cause pancreatitis, and then the pancreatitis results in a pseudo-cyst on the pancreas, your lady will be in real trouble. I've had the lot, and got rid of the gall-bladder and pseudo-cyst two weeks ago via open-surgery. I've had a lifetime's pain in the last nine months, and I now have what looks like a twelve-inch zip in my belly. It's a hard road to ride...........
Best to you both,
S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 05:36 PM

K... well... oranges don't work....

Thanks anyway

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 02:49 AM

Probably all been said by the doc but I thought I would mention that as well as fatty foods, pastry products should also be off the list. They gave Elaine no end of trouble untill she realised what was happening. She is back at work today btw - The pancreatitis flared up around 6 weeks ago. She had he gallbladder out 3 weeks ago or so.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 06:04 AM

I had a tray of chips and mushy peas from our local chippie for tea on Friday night! Yum yum, and no pain - I'm living again!! Shame the beers are off limits still though! LOL!
S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 06:08 AM

Aye - Elaine had steak pudding peas and gravy on Friday:-) She can have a drink or two as well and fortunately (unlike me!) is quite happy to stop at that.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: cptsnapper
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 11:39 AM

I don't know if the person who told me this was kidding but she said that a friend of hers had stones which couldn't be dealt with immediately so her doctor suggested that she went trampolining and - if this person's to be believed - it worked!

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: bobad
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 12:06 PM

"had a tray of chips and mushy peas from our local chippie for tea"

"Elaine had steak pudding peas and gravy on Friday:"

Hey you guys, ever consider that what you are eating may be contributing to the gall bladder problems?

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 12:25 PM

Errrr - Did you not notice, bobad. Both strollin and my mrs have had their gall bladders out. They have NOT eaten these things for so long that they enjoyed them once they could eat them again.

Please keep up:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 12:32 PM

There's always a smart-arse Dave. Old Bobad probably smokes like a twitch-heap, I 've never smoked in my life.

Bobad - categorically no! My consultant has ruled out diet as the cause of my gall-bladder problems, also alcohol. He assures me I've just been unlucky. And enjoying the occasional naughty treat doesn't make me a pig.
S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: bobad
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 01:04 PM

Sorry, no offence meant just having a little fun, what with the reputation (deserved or not) that British cuisine has and all.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 01:18 PM

Well, there it is... Sept 19th they're gonna knock her gall bladder out with a hockey stick or something....

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 01:41 PM

That really is good news, Clinton. Hopefuly she can keep the pains away till then and there is little chance for the ducts to become inflamed. Will they be doing the keyhole version do you know? If so she will be home after 24 hours or so and back on her feet in no time. Good luck to you both.

bobad - None taken. I must point out though that Clinton and Sarah are in Canada. What causes the gallstones there? Not English cuisine surely;-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Rasener
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 01:48 PM

>>I had a tray of chips and mushy peas <<

Glad I wasn't around on the weekend Strollin', bet you farted for England LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: bobad
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 01:50 PM

Some info I was inspired to seek out :

It is believed that the mere presence of gallstones may cause more gallstones to develop. However, other factors that contribute to gallstones have been identified, especially for cholesterol stones.

    * Obesity. Obesity is a major risk factor for gallstones, especially in women. A large clinical study showed that being even moderately overweight increases the risk for developing gallstones. The most likely reason is that obesity tends to reduce the amount of bile salts in bile, resulting in more cholesterol. Obesity also decreases gallbladder emptying.

    * Estrogen. Excess estrogen from pregnancy, hormone replacement therapy, or birth control pills appears to increase cholesterol levels in bile and decrease gallbladder movement, both of which can lead to gallstones.

    * Ethnicity. Native Americans have a genetic predisposition to secrete high levels of cholesterol in bile. In fact, they have the highest rate of gallstones in the United States. A majority of Native American men have gallstones by age 60. Among the Pima Indians of Arizona, 70 percent of women have gallstones by age 30. Mexican American men and women of all ages also have high rates of gallstones.

    * Gender. Women between 20 and 60 years of age are twice as likely to develop gallstones as men.

    * Age. People over age 60 are more likely to develop gallstones than younger people.

    * Cholesterol-lowering drugs. Drugs that lower cholesterol levels in blood actually increase the amount of cholesterol secreted in bile. This in turn can increase the risk of gallstones.

    * Diabetes. People with diabetes generally have high levels of fatty acids called triglycerides. These fatty acids increase the risk of gallstones.

    * Rapid weight loss. As the body metabolizes fat during rapid weight loss, it causes the liver to secrete extra cholesterol into bile, which can cause gallstones.

    * Fasting. Fasting decreases gallbladder movement, causing the bile to become overconcentrated with cholesterol, which can lead to gallstones.

From : http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/gallstones/index.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 01:54 PM

"Will they be doing the keyhole version do you know? If so she will be home after 24 hours or so and back on her feet in no time"

They're doing a laparoscopic (say "lap-are-oh-skop-ick") cholecystectomy... They don't even cut any muscle... http://familydoctor.org/114.xml

I probably do more damage to myself when I shave my face!

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 01:58 PM

Laparoscopic That's the grope I was wording for! 5 or 6 1" incisions and as you say not even a cut muscle. Amazing what they can do nowadays isn't it! In my day it would have been a trip to the old crone and three months on eye of newt...

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 02:32 PM

We tried that... It didn't work

Heh

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 05:22 AM

Yeah, that there laporoscopic stuff's OK as far as it goes, but you don't get the 12-inch zip in your belly to wow your friends with! I have photographs if anyone's interested! ROFL!

Bobad, that's OK fella, no hard feelings! But having had this thing for nine months or so, plus the pancreatitis and the pseudo-cyst, and the excruciating pain and debility that went along with it, I've spent a lot of time being examined, scanned, quizzed and having cameras pushed down my throat by doctors, so I'm pretty well au fait with the possible causes of gallstones and what it takes to live with gall-bladder and pancreas problems. When someone then comes along and makes facetious comments about possible causes that the medics have ruled out in my case, it just kinda pushes my Grumpy-Button! LOL! Incidentally, I didn't have stones, just sludge.

Good luck to your lady Clinton, she'll feel so much better when the job's done.
S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Rasener
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 06:05 AM

Maybe we can all share it in the raw when you come to MRFC Strollin' :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 09:59 AM

Villan my friend, I'm no shrinking violet - of course you can!!
S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 01:01 PM

try cranberry juice.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Rasener
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 01:20 PM

On second thoughts maybe not Strollin' :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 04:49 PM

50! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 04:04 AM

Dave! Behave!

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 01:08 PM

I could start a new thread
but my contribution fits right in with
this problem-solving thread.

In fact the pain has yet to happen to me, knock on wood.
What drove me to the ER or the dr's office, years ago,
was the worst indigestion of my whole life.
Water on an empty stomach would come right back up,
not to mention anything more substantial than water.

So the doctor said,
you're not sick enough to take out your gall bladder,
however the gall bladder is behind this indigestion:
you have got no gallstones, just the 'sludge.'

Not sick enough -- that's enough to make a person emotional,
especially when they can't keep liquids OR solids down. Never forgot that.

One post to this thread mentioned Chinese medicine -- traditional, I assume.
What worked for me was ayurveda from India.
The herbs had to come from the ayurvedic physician,
could not get them over the counter anyplace.

And the ayurvedic medicine did what none of the
symptom-masking allopathic/Western meds do:
it alleviated the symptoms
AND fortified the body to rouse itself back to health.

Ayurvedic physicians, like Chinese traditional healers,
take multiple pulses from the meridians.
The ayurvedic doctor told me that
EVERYTHING about me was sluggish and needed energizing.

Anyway, thanks to him, I still have my gall bladder.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 01:25 PM

The image of your projectile vomiting is of no use to me.
I would rather consult doctors which I hope was the moral of your story.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 03:17 PM

I was whisked into hospital in March 2015 after calling an ambulance, suffering from the worst pain I've had in my life (all down my right side). By the time I got to hospital the pain was subsiding and I felt normal a few hours later. A blood test revealed astronomical levels of amylase, a sure sign of a bunged-up pancreatic duct. Acute pancreatitis was the verdict. They kept me in overnight and wouldn't let me eat a bloody thing and they kept me on a drip. I was starving. A scan revealed no gallstones. A doctor (and I shall put this delicately...), who by her dress and her rather cross demeanour was clearly of an anti-booze religious persuasion, gave me a major bollocking about drinking, which was bloody annoying as I hadn't had a drink for days. That was nearly five years ago and I haven't exactly been a good boy on the vino front since, but I've had no further issues. A couple of things. The day before the attack, which came on at two in the morning by the way, I'd eaten a huge bowl of mixed fruit and nothing else for my lunch (I was trying to lose weight). I'd felt a bit queasy from that all afternoon. The other thing is that I looked up what might have happened once I was home. I concluded that something sludgy had had trouble getting along my duct, but once it was gone that was the end of it. Who knows.
.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 03:28 PM

You should call up Chuck, he'll throw up enough cures to make you gag.
Spewing disinformation is like a retch heaving ho. Its a sick mess.
Allow me to regurgitate and toss cookies your way, to puke is not a fluke.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 03:59 PM

Just get a grip why don't you, Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 04:13 PM

Bruce Olson here died of pancreatitis. It's not something to ignore. Much more serious than ordinary gall bladder problems.

I had an acutely sludged-up gall bladder that needed removed about 15 years ago. Painful - more so than my heart attack - but nowhere near in the same league as the two most painful things I've had happen (outer ear abscess and headache from acute hypertension resulting from an MAOI/cheese interaction).

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 08:30 PM

I told Mrs Steve that my pain had been even worse than childbirth. I think she contemplated demonstrating to me that she could give me even worse pain. I seem to recall that my testicles came into the conversation...

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 08:51 PM

Jack there is no worse pain. Sorry it happened to you. The only thing that lessens the agony is morphine.
Steve, stiff upper lip cup cake.

Subject: RE: BS: Gall Bladder Pain
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Nov 19 - 05:00 AM

I didn't need morphine for the gall bladder attack though I did after the operation to remove it (started going into shock). And had something way more powerful for the ear abscess, the world seemed to go dark and silent for a day. The MAOI interaction went untreated because the dipshits at the (American) hospital didn't realize how serious it was. I was lucky not to get a haemorrhagic stroke.

There are many kinds of pain beyond what morphine can deal with. Look up CPRS (complex regional pain syndrome). One of my neighbours was on a combination of gabapentin and some synthetic opiate like fentanyl for two years because of it. Most people who get it so chronically commit suicide. Trigeminal neuralgia is in the same league, often the only treatment is to go into the brain and cut the nerve's connection to the pain centre at the root.