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History of spirituals

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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Oct 01 - 09:32 PM

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CRAWFORD, ROBERTA DODD (1897-1954). Roberta Dodd Crawford, black contralto, also known as Princess Kojo Tovalou-Houenou, was born in 1897 in the black Tank Town section of Bonham, Texas, the oldest daughter among eight children born to Joe and Emma (Dunlap) Dodd. As a child she attended Washington School and later worked as a waitress at Curtis Boarding House. Her singing talent brought her to the attention of several Bonham women who arranged for her to perform at the Alexander Hotel and at several Bonham churches. With help from benefactors, she attended Wiley College at Marshall for two years, then entered Fisk University, where she studied with Roland Hayes. About 1920 she entered the University of Chicago, where for the next six years she studied voice with Madame Herman Devries. In 1926 she debuted at Kimball Hall and received favorable reviews from the Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Defender. While in Chicago she married Capt. William B. Crawford of the Eighth Illinois Regiment.

Two years later she performed at the First United Methodist Church in Bonham, where her program combined Italian, French, German, Spanish, and English art songs and operatic arias with Negro spirituals and at least one "primitive African melody." She then left for France to become a student of Blanche Marchessi in Paris. In 1931 she made her French debut by singing selections in five languages at the Salle Gaveau. Now widowed, she met Kojo Marc Tovalou-Houenou (or Marc Tovalou Quenum), a doctor and lawyer and Pan-African activist from Porto Novo, the capital of Dahomey in French West Africa. Some sources also refer to him as a prince. They married in 1932; he died about 1938. After his death, his widow returned to Paris. Unable to secure funds from her African property, she worked in the National Library of Paris and during World War IIqv joined the Red Cross and sang in churches and canteens for American soldiers. Suffering from anemia, she relied on friends for financial help and credited a Fort Worth physician with saving her life by getting surplus food coupons for her. She reportedly spent time in a concentration camp during the German occupation of France, but was released. In 1948 she returned to Bonham, but her poor physical and emotional health left her unwilling to perform again. She later moved to Dallas.

Roberta Crawford sang in several cities in the United States and at Spellman and Tuskegee universities as well as in Europe. She had no children. She died on June 14, 1954, in Dallas and was buried in Gates Hill Cemetery in Bonham.

BIBLIOGRAPHY: Bonham Daily Favorite, June 15, 1954, November 25, 1973. Fannin County Folks and Facts (Dallas: Taylor, 1977). Juanita C. Spencer, Bonham-Town of Bailey Inglish (Wolfe City, Texas: Henington, 1977). Pat Stephens, ed., Forgotten Dignity: The Black Community of Bonham...1880-1930 (Bonham, Texas: Progressive Citizens, 1984).

Nancy Baker Jones

SOURCE:
"CRAWFORD, ROBERTA DODD." The Handbook of Texas Online.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Oct 01 - 09:35 PM

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BLEDSOE, JULIUS LORENZO COBB (1897-1943). Julius (Jules) Bledsoe, black baritone and composer, was born on December 29, 1897, in Waco, Texas, the son of Henry L. and Jessie (Cobb) Bledsoe. He attended Central Texas Academy in Waco from about 1905 until his graduation as class valedictorian in 1914. He then attended Bishop College in Marshall, where he earned a B.A. in 1918. He was a member of the ROTC at Virginia Union University in Richmond in 1918-19 and studied medicine at Columbia University in New York City between 1920 and 1924. While attending Columbia, he studied voice with Claude Warford, Luigi Parisotti, and Lazar Samoiloff. He was sponsored by the impresario Sol Hurok for his professional singing debut on April 20, 1924, at Aeolian Hall in New York. As a concert artist Bledsoe performed in the United States and Europe. He was praised for his ability to sing in several languages, for his vocal control and range, and for his power to communicate through music.

His best-known achievement was his portrayal of Joe in Florenz Ziegfeld's 1927 production of Jerome Kern's Showboat. His interpretation of "Ol' Man River" made the song an American classic. In his versatile career of nearly twenty years Bledsoe performed with such distinguished musical organizations as the Boston Symphony Chamber Players (1926), the BBC Symphony in London (1936), and the Concertgebouw Orchestra of Amsterdam (1937). He also sang for vaudeville and radio and in opera. He sang the role of Amonasro in Giuseppe Verdi's Aïda with the Cleveland Stadium Opera (1932), the Chicago Opera Company at the Hippodrome in New York (1933), and the Cosmopolitan Opera Company, also at the Hippodrome (1934). A highlight of his career was his performance in the title role for the European premiere, in Amsterdam, of Louis Gruenberg's opera The Emperor Jones (1934). In 1940 and 1941 Bledsoe worked in films in Hollywood. He played the part of Kalu in Drums of the Congo, and, although his name did not appear in the credits, he probably played in Safari, Western Union, and Santa Fe Trail.

He wrote several patriotic songs and songs in the style of spirituals and folk songs. Some of his compositions were "Does Ah Luv You?" (1931); "Pagan Prayer" (date unknown), on a poem by Countee Cullen; "Good Old British Blue" (1936); and "Ode to America" (1941). He wrote an opera, Bondage (1939), based on Harriet Beecher Stowe's novel Uncle Tom's Cabin. Bledsoe's African Suite, a set of four songs for voice and orchestra, was featured with the Concertgebouw Orchestra, directed by Wilhelm Mengelberg. After a war bond tour Bledsoe died, on July 14, 1943, in Hollywood, from a cerebral hemorrhage. He is buried in Greenwood Cemetery in Waco.

BIBLIOGRAPHY: Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Musicians. Jules Bledsoe Papers, Texas Collection, Baylor University. Maud Cuney-Hare, Negro Musicians and Their Music (Washington: Associated Publishers, 1936). Lynnette Geary, The Career and Music of Jules Bledsoe (M.Mus. thesis, Baylor University, 1982). Dayton Kelley, ed., The Handbook of Waco and McLennan County, Texas (Waco: Texian, 1972).

Lynnette Geary

SOURCE:
"BLEDSOE, JULIUS LORENZO COBB." The Handbook of Texas Online.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Oct 01 - 09:39 PM

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GUION, DAVID WENDEL (1892-1981). David Wendel Guion, composer and musician, son of John I. and Armour (Fentress) Guion, was born on December 15, 1892, in Ballinger, Texas. His mother was an accomplished singer and pianist, and his father was a prominent judge. Guion's parents discovered his musical ability when he was five years old; consequently he started his musical education early. He studied first in nearby San Angelo, then at the Whipple Academy in Jacksonville, Illinois, and further at Polytechnic College in Fort Worth. His parents sent him to Vienna, Austria, to study with Leopold Godowsky at the Royal Conservatory of Music. After the outbreak of World War Iqv Guion returned to the states, where he began teaching and composing.

Throughout the 1920s and 1930s he composed and performed music that reflected his Texas heritage. For a time he hosted a Western-oriented weekly radio show in New York City, for which he wrote the scripts and music. But Guion, at one time himself an accomplished cowboy, became most famous for his arrangement of the cowboy song "Home on the Range," which was performed for the first time in his New York production Prairie Echoes. It became a favorite of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and the nation. In 1936 Guion was commissioned to write Cavalcade of America for the Texas Centennialqv celebration, and in 1950 he received a commission from the Houston Symphony Orchestra,qv for whom he completed the suite Texas in 1952. His wide range of compositions numbers over 200 published works and includes orchestral suites, music for ballets, piano pieces, and secular and religious songs. His music has been performed around the world.

Guion is significant as one of the first American composers to collect and transcribe folk tunes, including Negro spiritual music, into concert music. He is well-known for his arrangements of "Turkey in the Straw" and "The Arkansas Traveler," as well as "The Yellow Rose of Texas," "The Lonesome Whistler," "The Harmonica Player," "Jazz Scherzo," "Barcarolle," "The Scissors Grinder," "Valse Arabesque," and the "Mother Goose Suite." He was a master at musically representing the history and heritage of early Texas with such works as "Ride, Cowboy, Ride," "The Bold Vaquero," "Lonesome Song of the Plains," "Prairie Dusk," and the "Texas Fox Trot." A collection of his waltzes, "Southern Nights," was used in the movie Grand Hotel.

Guion was a member of the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers, the Texas Composers Guild, and the Texas Teachers Association. In 1955 the National Federation of Music Clubs announced that Guion was one of America's most significant folk-music composers. Guion, a Presbyterian and a Democrat, had a teaching career spanning over sixty years. He influenced young musicians at numerous colleges and conservatories including Howard Payne University (which in 1950 awarded him an honorary doctorate in music), Fort Worth Polytechnic College, Fairmont Conservatory, Chicago Musical College, Daniel Baker College, and Southern Methodist University.

Guion died on October 17, 1981, in Dallas and was buried at Evergreen Cemetery in Ballinger. Upon his death, his large collection of furniture, glassware, music recordings, books, and memorabilia was donated to the International Festival-Institute at Round Top.qv The Crouch Music Library at Baylor University, the Dallas Public Library, and the Fine Arts Library at the University of Texas at Austin have portions of his archives.

BIBLIOGRAPHY: Sam Hanna Acheson, Herbert P. Gambrell, Mary Carter Toomey, and Alex M. Acheson, Jr., Texian Who's Who, Vol. 1 (Dallas: Texian, 1937). Donna Bearden and Jamie Frucht, The Texas Sampler: A Stitch in Time (Austin: Governor's Committee on Aging, 1976?). Houston Chronicle, October 21, 1981. Vertical Files, Barker Texas History Center, University of Texas at Austin.

James Dick

SOURCE:
"GUION, DAVID WENDEL." The Handbook of Texas Online.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Oct 01 - 09:42 PM

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LOMAX, JOHN AVERY (1867-1948). John Avery Lomax, folklorist, the son of James Avery and Susan Frances (Cooper) Lomax, was born at Goodman, Mississippi, on September 23, 1867. In August 1869 his parents set out for Texas in two covered wagons. They arrived in Bosque County before Christmas and settled on a farm above Meridian. Young Lomax learned to do farm work and attended short terms of school between crops. As his home was located on a branch of the Chisholm Trail,qv he heard many cowboy ballads and other folk songs; before he was twenty, he began to write some of them down. In 1887 he had a year at Granbury College. With that training he taught for a year at Clifton and for six years at Weatherford College; he spent a summer in study at Eastman Business College at Poughkeepsie, New York, and three summers at Chautauqua. In 1895 he enrolled at the University of Texas, from which he graduated in 1897. He remained at the university as secretary to the president, as registrar, and as steward of the men's dormitory. In 1903 he taught English at the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas (later Texas A&M University). On June 9, 1904, he married Bess B. Brown; they had two sons and two daughters. In 1906 Lomax received a scholarship at Harvard University, where Barrett Wendell and George L. Kittredge encouraged him to take up seriously the collection of western ballads he had begun as a youth. He collected by means of an appeal published in western newspapers and through his own vacation travel, financed in part by Harvard fellowships. In the back room of the White Elephant Saloon in Fort Worth he found cowhands who knew many stanzas of "The Old Chisholm Trail." A Gypsy woman living in a truck near Fort Worth sang "Git Along, Little Dogies." At Abilene an old buffalo hunter gave him the words and tune of the "Buffalo Skinners." In San Antonio in 1908 a black saloonkeeper who had been a trail cook sang "Home on the Range." Lomax's first collection, Cowboy Songs and Other Frontier Ballads, was published in 1910.

From 1910 to 1925 Lomax was secretary of the Alumni Association, which became the Ex-Students Association of the University of Texas, except for two years, 1917-19, when he was a bond salesman in Chicago. He was active in the fight to save the university from political domination by James E. Ferguson.qv From 1925 until 1931 he was vice president of the Republic National Company in Dallas. His first wife died on May 8, 1931, and on July 21, 1934, he married Ruby R. Terrill. Lomax was one of the founders of the Texas Folklore Societyqv and was president of the American Folklore Society. In his collecting of folk songs, he traveled 200,000 miles and visited all but one of the states. Often accompanied by his son, Alan, he visited prisons to record on phonograph disks the work songs and spirituals of black inmates. At the Angola prison farm in Louisiana, he encountered a talented black minstrel, Huddie Ledbetter,qv better known as Leadbelly. Upon Leadbelly's release from prison, Lomax took him on a tour in the north and recorded many of his songs. In 1919 Lomax published Songs of the Cattle Trail and Cow Camp; it was republished in 1927 and in 1931. With his son he edited other collections: American Ballads and Folk Songs (1934), Negro Songs as Sung by Lead Belly (1936), Our Singing County (1941), and Folk Song: U.S.A. (1947). In 1947 his autobiographical Adventures of a Ballad Hunter (1947) was awarded the Carr P. Collinsqv prize as the best Texas book of the year by the Texas Institute of Letters.qv Beginning in 1933 Lomax was honorary curator of the Archive of Folksong at the Library of Congress, which he helped establish as the primary agency for preservation of American folksongs and culture. He died at Greenville, Mississippi, on January 26, 1948.

BIBLIOGRAPHY: Dallas Morning News, January 27, 1948.

Wayne Gard

SOURCE:
"LOMAX, JOHN AVERY." The Handbook of Texas Online.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: wysiwyg
Date: 12 Oct 01 - 11:30 AM

CLASSISM, INTERNALIZED OPPRESSION, AND THE SPIRITUALS


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 12:23 PM

From Previous Posting on related thread, Sept. 5, '01:

Subject: RE: Spirituals Posted at Mudcat From: Uncle Jaque Date: 05-Sep-01 - 10:22 PM

I get the impression that the "Spiritual" genre of musical expression was typically spontanious, constantly evolving, and interwoven with other forms of hymns, gospel and even popular secular music. That, combined with a tendancy to be orally transmitted rather than written down or published in the early years make them somewhat challenging to collect.

I have a reprint of "Slave Songs" and have seen various articles in "Harper's Weekly" and similar periodicals from the 1870's in which white musicians - probably during the Civil War - heard these songs being sung down South and recognizing their musical and cultural significance, tried to transcribe and preserve them as best they could. Somebody from within the Black American Southern culture probably has published some of this music, but I'm not aware of any - certainly not before the 1880's, at least, when the "Spiritual" tradition seems to have been evolving strongly toward the "Blues".

It seems that some early recording and "collection" was done in the 1930's by the WPA from some of the elderly, rural Blacks around Virginia & Tenn. who remembered some of the old Spirituals, and there seems to have been a subsequent revival of sorts when some of them were put out on albums. During the Folk Revival of the 1960's quite a few Folk Artists adapted and recorded some Spirituals successfully, and I'm glad to see continuing interest in them... but as I said, digging the really old ones out from obscurity can be considerably more difficult than collecting "Euro-American" works of the same period.

I recently recorded an album on which was an arrangement of "Old Ship Of Zion"; a version of it was found in "Southern Harmony" of 1835, another in a Methodist Hymnal, and again in that collection of "Negro Spirituals" from the 1870's. They were all different although obviously related, suggesting that some of these tunes were likely "borrowed" and "shared" back and forth between races, cultures, and denomonations. Remember, back then it was not uncommon for songwriters to wander around the countryside or hang around in local taverns listening for local ditties. When they heard one they liked, they jotted it down in a notebook and pretty soon a song bearing a strong resemblance would be published under his name in Boston of New York... Just where they started or by who may never really be known.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: wysiwyg
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 12:46 PM

Thanks, Jaque.

~S~


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: sian, west wales
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 06:45 AM

I know this doesn't address the original question, but I've just seen this at the online Globe and Mail:

A study into the roots of gospel music by a U.S. professor -- an accomplished musician who has played with Duke Ellington and Dizzy Gillespie -- has led him to conclude that the "good news" music sung in black American churches originated in Scotland, not Africa. Willie Ruff of Yale University said the roots of the music derived from evangelical spirituals and had more to do with the crofters of the Outer Hebrides than slaves on U.S. plantations. Prof. Ruff, 71, a Baptist from Alabama, told Britain's Independent newspaper: "I, like everyone else, assumed [the music] was unique to black congregations in the United States . . . but I began to wonder if it was performed by white congregations in the same way." He discovered that some black U.S. slaves owned by Scottish immigrants spoke only Gaelic. However, it wasn't until he travelled to Scotland, and heard psalm singing in Gaelic, that he became convinced of the common roots: "I was struck by the similarity, the pathos, the emotion, the cries of suffering and the deep, deep belief in a brighter, promising hereafter."

*********

I think he's being just a teeny bit simplistic here ...

sian


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: masato sakurai
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 11:04 PM

There was much debate over the origins in the first half of the 20th century. D.K. Wilgus discussed it in a chapter titled "The Negro-White Spiritual" in his Anglo-American Folksong Scholarship Since 1898 (Rutgers UP, 1959, pp. 344-364); the chapter is reprinted in Mother Wit from the Laughing Barrel: Readings in the Interpretation of Afro-American Folklore, edited by Alan Dundes (U. Pr. of Mississippi, 1990, pp. 67-80). Wilgus quotes from Bruno Nettl a position of the "compromise theorists", who "do not hold that the melodies of the American Negroes originated in Africa, but assume that the Negroes have taken over tunes of the whites and combined with them African stylistic traits--hot rhythm, much variation, preference for part-singing, antiphony, and response," saying that "study is revealing that a simple cencept of origin is not only misleading, but nonsensical."


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Sep 03 - 12:16 AM

Bruno Nettl's idea is probably correct in essence, but perhaps a bit of "independent invention" should be added.
Origins are never simple.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: GUEST,JeMelle J.
Date: 12 Feb 06 - 02:05 AM

Does anyone have information about Bishop Isaac Watts or

Dr. Isaac Watts ?


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: GUEST,cececree
Date: 15 Apr 06 - 10:01 PM

do you know the history of wade in the water?


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Apr 06 - 12:04 AM

Greetings, cececree.

Here are my theories on the song "Wade in the Water":

"Wade in the water" is an African American spiritual [Negro spiritual] that dates from at least the mid 19th century. This song was probably composed by more than one person. As is the case with other folk songs, the composers are unnamed and unknowable.

"Wade In The Water" was probably sung in the call & response patterns that are common to many Africans, African Americans, and other people of the African Diaspora.This religious song is made up of a refrain and floating verses [meaning verses that can be, probably were, and are still used in other spirituals].

It has become popular to describe "Wade In The Water" as a religious song that had an underlying practical use. The commonly held theory is that the "wade in the water" lyrics were a coded lesson for slaves as to how they could avoid capture when and if they ran away {i.e. if they walked in the water then the dogs and men chasing them would lose their scent}.

See http://www.negrospirituals.com/history.htm for this explanation.

However, I think that explanation-and the explanation of other
so-called coded "Negro" spirituals such as "Swing Low Sweet Chariot" and "Train A-Comin" are far too simplistic to me. As I have written on other Mudcat threads, though these songs may have been used sometimes as coded signals that a slave was preparing to run away, how many times could they have been sung and another slave disappeared before the massa and missus noticed the connection?

Not to mention that there were always snitches [house slaves or field] so it seems unlikely that no Black person ever told his or her "master" the secret meaning of these songs.

I believe that "Negro" spirituals probably more often than not were sung for their both their spiritual messages and the comfort they provided. At least after emancipation if not before, "Wade In The Water" was sung by church members as part of outdoor water immersion baptisms. And baptisms are occassion in which this song is still sung by some African Americans [if not others].

Water immersion and the spiritual power of water is very much a part of traditional West African religions. Different colors were also used in traditional West African religious practices to represent and distinquish one diety and his/her followers from another.

Therefore it seems to me that the references to colors in these often quoted Wade In The Water verses have more significance than just rhymes:

See that host all dressed in white
God's a-going to trouble the water
The leader looks like the Israelite
God's a-going to trouble the water

See that band all dressed in red
God's a-going to trouble the water
Looks like the band that Moses led
God's a-going to trouble the water

-snip-

Click http://www.wemba-music.org/orisha.htm
to read about the color symbolism used by the Yoruba {Nigeria}orishas {dieties/forces of nature}.

---

River dieties are very central to Akan {Ghana, West Africa}religions. See this excerpt from an online article about Akan religious beliefs:

" Earlier traditional beliefs also held that the future child, who is already formed from the blood, Mogya, of it's mother's family and endowed with the Ntro, spirit of its father, is led by an akragya to Nyame. The akragya, or Kra progenitors, are seven planetary deities who assist the Supreme Being. A golden bath is brought in, which the akragya bathes the child by pouring water over it. Nyame then utters the Nkrabea, the message of destiny, then lets fall a sparkling drop of water from an adwera leaf into the child's mouth, which is very similar to an African naming ceremony.

This is the "water of life", nkwan suo, which is believed to contain a living image of Nyame, like the figure of a person in a mirror. The water then penetrates the whole body of the child until it is filled with Honhom (divine breath) and wakes up alive. Before the child leaves Nyame, it is given the Hybea or the command to perfect and complete its Kra. Because only a pure and unsullied Kra, consisting entirely of goodness, can become one again with the Supreme Being, otherwise it must be reincarnated."
Source: Akan religion

-snip-

The Christian practice of baptism [as represented by John the Baptist and Jesus]thus merged very well with traditional African practices and beliefs. Lyrics in African American spirituals that refer to crossing a river may symbolize moving from one "state of being" to another {from "un-saved"-a non-believer/not a member of the church-to "saved", meaning a believer/a member of the church} But a higher {more traditional African} meaning of baptism meant that a person was receiving some of the spiritual power inherent in the water..and symbolized that that person was newly born.

Lyrics in African American spirituals that speak of "crossing a river" also meant moving from earthly existence to life after death. The Jordan river also symbolized the Ohio river which led to the free states. The "Jordan river" then could have both a religious meaning and a secular meaning {"moving" from life as an enslaved person to life as a free person}.

If you don't believe I've been redeemed
God's a-going to trouble the water
Just follow me down to the Jordan's stream
God's a-going to trouble the water

-snip-

Cececree, I encourage you to take what I have written as thoughts in rough draft form. I'm interested in hearing your and other thoughts about these theories.

Best wishes,

Azizi


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: GUEST,Amy
Date: 24 Jun 06 - 03:04 PM

Yes indeed. Thank you Susan~WYSIWYG for all the work and knowledge you have put into this Topic over the Years here on the Mudcat and beyond.
A true Labor of Love.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 12:16 PM

However, I think that explanation-and the explanation of other
so-called coded "Negro" spirituals such as "Swing Low Sweet Chariot" and "Train A-Comin" are far too simplistic to me. As I have written on other Mudcat threads, though these songs may have been used sometimes as coded signals that a slave was preparing to run away, how many times could they have been sung and another slave disappeared before the massa and missus noticed the connection?


I think that accounts by former slaves who made it North (and later by their descendants) are probably responsible for the contemporaneous and historical views that codes were used.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 01:05 PM

These accounts of codes are very few. Most accounts credit the underground railway, and a few describe escapes either carefully planned or a combination of planning and luck.
See especially threads 17760 and 61356.
Origins follow
African runaway

Most of the code stories are imaginings of later writers; specific
instructions passed by word of mouth and diagrams in the dirt
helped direct escapees to safe houses, hiding places and people who would help.

The major constellations, e. g., Big Dipper (Drinkin' gourd, Bear, Wain) not only would be widely known, but offer no real help to a prospective escapee, who would have to be incredibly stupid (they were not), to try to follow such nebulous directions.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: Severn
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 02:29 PM

Try some of these:

Books:

Lovell, John Jr. "Black Song: The Forge And The Flame" The Story Of How The Afro American Spiritual was Hammered Out, (Macmillan, 1972)

Higginson, Thomas Wentworth "Army Life In A Black Regiment" (Wherein a white officer "collects" tunes heard in the camp of the Ist South Carolina Infantry. Specifically, Chapter 9, "Negro Spirituals")

Joyner, Charles "Down By The Riverside:A South Carolina Slave Community" (U. of Illinois Press 1984-Specifically Chapter 5, "Come By Here, Lord" Includes information on how English-born Alexander Glennie first set up an Episcopal mission to the plantations of All Saints Parish and the spread and merger with existing cultures, as well as some song lyrics.)

LP:

An Introduction To Gospel Song comp. and edited by Samuel B. Charters
(RBF Records RBF 5-Issued through Folkways, so if not reissued yet, can be ordered as a custom tape or CD from them)

CD:

The English labels JSP and Proper specialize in reissuing old music at affordable prices in boxes sets, all with dates and annotation.

JSP7733 "Spreading The Word:Early Gospel Recordings (4 CDs-105 cuts)
JSP7737 "Blind Willie Johnson and the Guitar Evangelists" (4 CDs-96 cuts)
JSP7755 "Mountain Gospel: The Sacred Roots Of Country Music" (4 CDs-100 cuts)

www.jsprecords.com

PROPERBOX42 "Good News-100 Gospel Greats" ((4CDs)
PROPERBOX51 "Sister Rosetta Tharpe: The Original Soul Sister (4CDs)


www.propermusic.com

I didn't see them listed previously. Sorry if I duplicated anything.
Hope this stuff might help.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: GUEST,John Garst
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 03:10 PM

"...from Bill Steber

"While most contemporary churches have abandoned river and lake baptisms in favor or indoor baptismal tanks, the rural congregations of the Northwest Delta still gather together on the first Sunday in September to baptize yearly candidates in Moon Lake, just as they have for generations. It is at these baptism ceremonies where one can still hear spirituals sung in a style that predates modern gospel music. Songs are begun spontaneously by women song leaders and the congregation sings the lines as they are introduced in the classic call and response style which is the hallmark of African-American music, from spirituals to work chants to blues and jazz."

I'm glad to hear about Moon Lake but I object to the implication that one must travel to some such place to hear spirituals sung "in a style that predates modern gospel music." Just about any southern African American congregation can do that and does on occasion.

Also, "the congregation sings the lines as they are introduced" doesn't sound like spiritual singing but rather "Dr. Watts" singing, the very slow and ornamented singing of hymns led by a precentor who chants each line or two before the congregation sings them. These are not spirituals but rather hymns, often composed by Isaac Watts or another of the classic hymnists (Wesley, Newton, Cowper, and many others).

Much of what has been written about spirituals is romanticized after the fact. Literature on the subject should be approached with great caution.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 04:17 PM

Dena J. Epstein, 1977, "Sinful Tunes and Spirituals," University of Illinois Press, discusses Black folk music and its development, especially up to the Civil War, not a simple topic because of the interweaving of roots from Africa, influence of various formal churches, camp meetings and evangelists, distinctions in practices allowed, regional culture (the spiritual largely developed in the southeast, almost unknown in slave-days in Louisiana where the Catholic religion was dominant).

White observers complained of camp meeting excesses and their influence on 'illiterate blacks.' Watson (1819) deplored the music, often sung in "merry chorus-manner" with "affirmations, ... repetitive choruses," ... body movements, etc. ("an early reference to what came to be known as Negro spirituals"(?). Sir Charles Lyell commented on the movements at Black Methodist prayer meetings.
Distinctions between sacred and secular music often blurred, with images "wholly foreign to nineteenth-century Protestant hymnody.

Much of interest in a well-researched book with many references.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: GUEST,dutch girl
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 09:43 AM

Hello
Does anybody know how slaves were able to make music, because I read somewhere that slaveowners stripped slaves of their culture and even mixed them with people who spoke different languages so they couldn't communicate.. So I wonder why slaveowners would me 'nice' enough to let them make music.
Greetings from a dutch girl


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 01:01 PM

Dutch Girl, ignore the overblown tales and find useful references such as Epstein's.
Treatment of slaves varied from region to region and from owner to owner.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: Azizi
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 07:07 PM

Q, in my opinion, the issue is not whether the treatment of enslaved people in the US South varied, but how, why & when enslaved people made music, and what kind of music was it that they made.

I believe Dutch girl's has used a faulty premise by implying that enslaved people needed permission to make music.

I also believe that if some slave owners encouraged their slaves to make music [i.e. singing, dancing, playing musical instruments usually excluding the drum], that does not mean that these slave owners were necessarily "nice"...

To paraphrase a Tina Turner R&B song, "What's nice gotta do with it?"

**

Dutch Girl, to gain a perspective about the world of African American slaves, another book you might want to read is Sterling Stuckey's "Slave Culture: Nationalist Theory and the Foundations of Black America" {Oxford University Press, 1988}

Here's one review of this book:
         
"In this ground-breaking study, Sterling Stuckey, a leading cultural historian and authority on slavery, explains how different African peoples interacted on the plantations of the South to achieve a common culture. He argues that, at the time of emancipation, slaves still remained essentially African in culture, a conclusion with profound implications for theories of black liberation and for the future of race relations in America.
Drawing evidence from the anthropology and art history of Central and West African cultural traditions and exploring the folklore of the American slave, Stuckey reveals an intrinsic Pan-African impulse that contributed to the formation of the black ethos in slavery. He presents fascinating profiles of such nineteenth-century figures as David Walker, Henry Highland Garnet, and Frederick Douglass, as well as detailed examinations into the lives and careers of W.E.B. Du Bois and Paul Robeson in this century."

Review of Sterley Stuckey's book "Slave Culture"


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: GUEST,Dutch Girl
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:57 AM

Thank you very much for your response. For your information, I am a dutch high school girl and I'm working on a essay about the emancipation of African-Americans and the influence their music had on this.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 03:27 PM

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Subject: RE: African-American Spirituals Permathread
From: GUEST,The Stage Manager - PM
Date: 02 Feb 04 - 12:06 PM


Researching Scots Gaelic music in the Carolinas I came accross this: Origins

So Gospel music has its origins in the Hebrides? If this hadn't come from such a reputable source I would have discounted it.

Subsequently I have come accross other similar references to black slaves both speaking and singing Scots Gaelic. Some of it in contemporary literature, including Rudyard Kipling of all people.

Anyone else come accross similar references?

Strange stuff music.

I might have a crack at throwing this wider a bit later on. I'n still trying to assimulate the bits and pieces I've found so far. This connection came as something of a surprise to say the least. I was trying to get a feel for how much Scots Gaelic history was preserved in song and poetry, rather than in the received wisdom of the history we are/were taught in school. Too little seems left in Scotland, I've been staggered at what is scattered through the Diaspora, on other sites this discussion has prompted people to remember stories told by their grandparents.

Interesting too how this ties in with the persistent stories, and some contemporary textual references (1700- 1800) to a white slave trade between the Gaelic speaking homelands and the Carolinas.

SM

Subject: RE: African-American Spirituals Permathread
From: WYSIWYG - PM
Date: 02 Feb 04 - 12:40 PM


OK, SM. Please know that I am interested in whatever you find that pertains to the spirituals, and keep me informed whatever way makes sense for you. As I come across anything of use to you I'll pass it along.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: Goose Gander
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 09:31 PM

The Gospel / Gaelic theory was flogged like the proverbial dead horse in this thread and I think that while most of us can agree gospel is not specifically Gaelic, its various forms do have at least one foot planted in the music of the British Isles.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: GUEST,creed
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 09:17 PM

Can anyone help me find a source for published sheet music to "Wade in the Water" prior to 1923? I need to establish its public domain status, and I'm trying to do it without paying someone else to do it for me.
Thanks!


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 11:12 PM

Some references:
Index to Negro Spirituals, Cleveland Public Library cites Work, 1915, Folk Songs of the American Negro, p. 8.

Fisher, William Arms, 1926, "Seventy Negro Spirituals, cites "Wade in the Water," New Jubilee Songs, 1902. He provides a musical score of a version collected in Arkansas, pp. 184-185, arr. by Edward Boatner, and copyright 1925. The collected version, of course, is of an older song.
McIlhenny, E. A., 1930, "Befo' De War Spirituals," p. 57, Baptizin'.
Krebiel, Henry Edward, 1913, Afro-American Folk Songs, p. 88, "Baptizing Hymn,"-
Freely go marching along,
Down into the water,
Freely go, marching along,
Like Zion's sons and daughters.

Probably other references; have you looked at the Spirituals Permathread?


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 11:34 PM

Saw in the Permathread-
Work, Frederick, 1902, New Jubilee Songs as sung by the Fisk Jubilee Singers. I have not seen this book and I don't know if the reference is valid.


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 01:29 PM

Wade in the Water-
Published sheet music prior to 1923- Everything published up to about 1940 was collected in the field, of a traditional song and its variants. It is not a composed song by a known author, and musical scores of some collected versions were printed in books by the collectors. A good example:
Lydia Parrish, 1942 and reprints, "Slave Songs of the Georgia Sea Islands," University of Georgia Press. Songs collected from Gullah culture. Original copyright Lydia Parrish 1942, with later copyrights by Maxwell Parrish and Brown Thrasher Editions.
1992 edition, pp. 170-171, lyrics and musical score.

WADE IN NUH WATUH CHILDUN
chorus:
Wade in nuh watuh childun
Wade in nuh watuh childun
Wade in nuh watuh
Gawd's go'nah trouble duh watuh.
How long this song had been sung by the Georgia Sea Island inhabitants is unknown.
As long as you ask permission to use a version in your work, I don't think you will have any problems.
Allmusic.com lists almost 150 versions- as long as you don't exactly copy the version or style of these various people, you 'should' be all right (he, he!).


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: GUEST,creed
Date: 27 Aug 07 - 02:24 PM

Thanks, Q, for your help with pre-1923 publication of "Wade in the Water"! I'll get right on it...


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: GUEST,wys on vacay w kindle
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:10 PM

have whole af am spi permathred on kindle

very kewl


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Subject: RE: History of spirituals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 21 - 03:42 PM

Some of the posts here seem to imply that the Hebridean (Scottish) Gaelic speaking immigrants were slave owners. This would not have been the case as they had been banished from Scotland themselves, driven from their homes by landowners who put sheep to graze in their place - their houses burnt behind them. It was called the Highland Clearances. Many of them would have been working alongside the enslaved people.


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