Hey- Am I the only one out there?

Subject: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Sarah
Date: 06 Mar 99 - 01:33 AM

I'm feeling really depressed right now b/c all the people my age are into rock and rap and 'alternative'. Are there any other folks out there in the 20-30 age bracket that like good old-fashioned folk music? I'm talking Joan Baez, Judy Collins, Peter, Paul and Mary, Simon and Garfunkel, etc....?

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Jeremy J Woodland
Date: 06 Mar 99 - 01:42 AM

Hey, you're not alone. I'm 19 and listen to Rev. Davis, John Hurt, Bob Dylan, Dave Van Ronk etc.. I think that there are more and more people our age becoming interested in folk music in general. Music on the radio is becoming so slick and watered down, folk music is an excellent "alternative."

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Don Meixner
Date: 06 Mar 99 - 01:44 AM

Sarah,

Yes there are. They are in all the usual places. Lurking among us and going about everyday life like normal folks. But some thing gives them away to those of us who know where to look and listen. A young women will be heard humming " Diamonds and Rust" in a laundramat or a guy behind the counter at Micky D's will be caught whistling " Roll on Columbia" or "American Pie" and their cover will be blown. As they take the ridicule of their peers another young man or woman will have seen and heard it all and they will wait. When the time is right the eavesdroppers will contact the hidden folkies and as them to join their secret cabals. Kids who meet at night in secret places and play accoustic intruments without picks and trade songs of love and death and heroic actions.

Yes Sarah, they are out there. Look and listen.

Show me a prison, show me a jail,

Show me a prisoner who's face is growing pale,

And I'll show you a young man with so many reasons why,

There but for fortune may go you, or I.

Don Meixner

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Mar 99 - 10:04 AM

WoW! Don, that was beautiful! I vote we start using it in place of the "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus!

Thank you!

katlaughing

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From:
Date: 06 Mar 99 - 10:49 AM

As one who is older than any three 19-year olds on this thread put together, I say welcome and think the lord for you. There is hope that the tradition of ballad and protest song will yet go on.--John (not Jon)

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 06 Mar 99 - 01:42 PM

Sarah. Now it's your job to start recruiting them. You get 'em and we'll convert 'em. Welcome.

Rick

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Sarah
Date: 06 Mar 99 - 04:32 PM

Hey thanks guys. It's so nice to know I'm not the only person who knows that the best music came from the '60s-17, 18, and 1960's. Oh- and Mr. Meixner- have you considered a career in writing?

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: DON Meixner
Date: 06 Mar 99 - 06:29 PM

Sarah,

I can't even spell.

DON

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Mar 99 - 09:05 PM

Don,

Isn't that why we all cast "Spell" checks, frequently?***grin***

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Sarah
Date: 06 Mar 99 - 09:33 PM

O Wise Ones- As long as we're being absurd, does anyone know of a chat room where us radical Gen-X folkies can meet? Sure would be fun to hear your voices. Or at least see the digital version of them. Oh, and Mr. Meixner-anyone who can use 'cabal' correctly in a sentence must not have too big a problem w/spelling. :)

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Me
Date: 06 Mar 99 - 10:26 PM

Thank you for writing the best songs Thank you for righting a few wrongs We're a savage gift on a wayward bus But you stepped down and you sang to us So get you down to the harbor now The Grapes of the Summer are low on the bough The ghost of my history will follow you there and the wind of the old days will blow through your hair.

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: alison
Date: 06 Mar 99 - 10:27 PM

Hi Sarah,

We already have a chat room on ICQ

you will need to register (it's free) the Mudcat chat room is ICQ# 30225098.

Slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Cuilionn
Date: 07 Mar 99 - 09:39 AM

Nae, Lass, ye're nae alane...

After grawin' up wi' Belafonte an' Baez on th' record player, I've managit tae wend ma way back intae ma ain heritage, tocht masel' Braid Scots, been takin' Scots Gaelic classes for fowr year, an' I'm singin' in baith o' them, tho' anely at ceilidhs an' th' kirk talent show...och, an' I jist wrocht ma fairst mummers' play!

I figger: if a lass sic as I, wi' nae discipline tae speak o', can manage that muckle, there's hope for th' rest o' us. Ye jist maun immerse yersel' in th' honest, genuine, unvarnished traditions an' teach yersel' a' ye can, until th' rest o' us fledglin' folkies can find ye. Gae whaur there's live music playin', support th' musicians when an' whaur ye can, an' th' Folk Cosmos will eventually reach oot its lang arrums tae embrace ye an' draw ye in!

Keep up th' guid ficht & Lairn th' guid tunes...

--Cuilionn (born 1971)

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From:
Date: 07 Mar 99 - 01:07 PM

Is there any deltablues guitarist here?

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From:
Date: 07 Mar 99 - 01:08 PM

Is there any deltablues guitarist here?

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 07 Mar 99 - 01:20 PM

I haven't learned how to access "spellcheck" while in Mudcat yet.(sorry Joe) I just scream at Heather "How do you spell ackrymonious?" She still loves me. (I think)

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Teresa
Date: 07 Mar 99 - 01:42 PM

Hi, Kitty ... Welcome to the Mudcat. Go to the "create a thread" link on the main forum page, and you're likely to get your question answered if you ask it in a separate thread. To change the subject ... It's so good to hear that younger folks are keeping the traditional scene alive! Twenty years ago, when I was fifteen, I used to think I was the only one out there, but now I know there's a rich community of folkies and 'catters who love the music too. Cheers, Teresa

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: betty
Date: 07 Mar 99 - 04:07 PM

Rick, I haven't learned how to access the spell check here either and my cat doen't spell any better than I do. Maybe my sis will help me whem I remember to ask her. She told me about this mudcat and has been on me to try it so today I finally did. I'm sure the computer will shut down on me if I try something like spell check. I'm always doing something wrong.betty

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Mar 99 - 04:18 PM

Hey, sis! Glad to see ya' made it. Guess what? I haven't learned to use Spellcheck here either!

Welcome to my favourite spot on the "Net"!

To my fellow Mudcateers: forgive me for bragging, but she is one of the best elementary music teachers Colorado has ever had! I'm proud of my sister, can you tell?

katlaughing

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Pete M
Date: 07 Mar 99 - 05:29 PM

Bill D pointed us to a spellchecker for text input boxes (such as the forum message box) some time ago. It includes dictionaries for most European languages as well as UK and US English. You can get it here. Doesn't help with translating American and British idiom into their transatlantic counterpart though!

Welcome aboard Sarah, and Betty.

Pete M

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 07 Mar 99 - 08:45 PM

I've been using this spell checker ever since it was recommended here. Thanks Bill D!

Regards
John

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Bert
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 09:41 AM

Sarah,

Age doesn't matter. On the Mudcat here we are ALL young. 'specially me.

Bert. (Nearly sixty)

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 09:58 AM

Aw c'mon Bert...Give it up man. Hellfire, I can see from here you're bald. That may show you still have a fire in the furnace, but your ductwork is deteriorating badly.

Your friend, beyond duct tape...catspaw

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Neil Lowe (inactive)
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 10:02 AM

Peter, of Peter, Paul and Mary fame, was quoted recently as saying (and I wish I could remember the source) that folk music was alive and well and living in (are you ready for this?) Rap Music. That sure expands the definition of folk music somewhat, doesn't it? And could you imagine the likes of Burl Ives and Ice T sharing a stage together? Too much!

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Bert
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 12:03 PM

Hey catsP! If I can't be young would you settle for immature?

Bert.

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 12:52 PM

Why of course Bert! We've all known some young person who is very mature, but what's the fun in that? As the saying goes, Youth is wasted on the Young. And thanks to "A Celtic Harper" on another thread, I've found the perfect test site. Are your speakers on? Then go to the Immaturity Test Site.......If you can dig it, CONGRATULATIONS...You're immature...and welcome to the club!

catspaw

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Bert
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 01:23 PM

catspaw,

I love it, You think at first 'Why would anyone create a page like that'?
Then, you look at it a while and start to chuckle.
Bert.

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Pete M
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 02:36 PM

Great site Catspaw, it should be a required test for all 'Catters. I always maintain that there are two sorts of people: those that grow up into mature responsible adults. and the rest of us.

Hey diddle oh diddle dee

Pete M

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Cara
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 05:16 PM

Sarah-searh "kids" in the forum search on the subject line. There's a recent thread called Mudcat kids or something with young'uns on it.

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: hank
Date: 09 Mar 99 - 08:57 AM

Of course their are young ones here, where have you been sarah? I wouldn't call some of those '60s groups you named folk though they are good once in a while. Your spell checker looked interesting up there, whoever pointed me to it, but I'm running a solaris sparc lynx system, not a windows x86 netscape system. I have no hope of getting such things running on this system. the internet has always been this way, thousands of subtilly incompatable comptuers, each of which speaks it's own language all talking to each other. Lots of fun if your a linguist.

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: BeesWing
Date: 09 Mar 99 - 09:24 AM

You are in good company Sarah. Still in my 30's, and have been living the folk tradition since My eldest sis brought home Joni Mitchel and Donovan!( In LP format of course!!) From there I explored traditional folk from the British isles ie June Tabor, Maggie Boyle, Chieftans,Richard Thompson, etc. Now, I work on original comp ( yes including protest songs!) and am influenced by the songwriters of Canadian folk scene ie James Keeleghan, and the late Stan Rodgers I do have trouble finding those who are interested in this kind of music- no matter what the age because I live in a rural -primarily french speaking part of the country( Canada). That's why THE MUDCAT IS THE GREATEST!!!*SMILE*

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 09 Mar 99 - 09:54 AM

For years and years I thought of myself as being 19 years old, until one day recently I realised I now think of myself as being about 30. (I was born 47 years ago - but that doesn't count!) I suppose this is what they mean about growing up...

Years ago I read a short story by Robert Heinlein. One of the two principal characters explains to the other how when she was a kid grown-ups used to say things like "you'll understand when you're older". It made her think that being grown-up was a pretty miserable business, with people understanding and knowing about all these depressing things that kids can't comprehend; so she decide she was never going to grow up. I've often felt like that too! I'm determined never to act my age until I'm sure I can grow old disgracefully.

As far as spelling is concerned, I've always been little shot of perfect. It's not because of any conscious action on my part, it's just a gift - not the one I would have picked as first choice if my Fairy Godmother had asked! Typing - now that's a difrrent matter!

Steve

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Pete M
Date: 09 Mar 99 - 03:33 PM

I know what you mean Steve, I need the light behind me and people to be shortsighted to get away with 28 these days, but luckily I'm getting more immature by the day.

I'm getting worried about the physically young though, here in NZ they seem to be a very PC, "mature" lot, worried about their grades, and more concerned about getting a job with the large corporates than trashing or burning their offices! In the five years my eldest has been at university there's only been one occupation and a few protest marches that didn't even duff up one copper!

Could be they are just rebelling against their parents I suppose. (grin)

It's just my fingers that have problems with spelling, notme!

Pete M

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: marlor
Date: 09 Mar 99 - 06:12 PM

Hi Sarah and all:I know what it feels like to "The only one out there", in more ways than one. I won't elaborate here. I'm glad that peiple you're age are getting into folk/roots music. You understand its purity.

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 09 Mar 99 - 11:02 PM

Wow Steve! Only in this forum could we find away to relate Robert Heinlein to folk music. Was that story "Podkayne of Mars" by any chance. I read it about 35 years ago so the memory may be slim. By the way, if you are a Heinlein fan, who was Reisling patterned after?

Don

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Willie-O
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 08:24 PM

Random notes: Those hamsters dance great to the Chess Records show on "Mississippi Crossroads". Somehow I don't want to hear the music on that site.

As for "why would anyone create a page like that?", well probably to practice animations, provoke hilarity, and appeal to anyone who still gets involved in mind-altering substances.....

Probably was from Podkayne of Mars, although Heinlein was a pretty strange and dubious character.

You mean Rhysling, the Blind Singer of the Spaceways? Do you have an answer to that question, Don? The easy answer would be Woody Guthrie, but I can't offhand think of any pre-50's itinerant minstrels who were blind accordion players who misused the "spaceman in distress" clause to deadhead around the solar system on any passing freighter. Since the 60's of course, they're too numerous to mention, especially if you substitute a guitar for the accordion.

Bill Back Here On the Green Hills of Earth.

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Don Meixner
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 07:57 AM

Bill,

Woody is the obvious one, I only wondered if you had heard difinitively. Some place I have a photo of Mac McClintock playing an accordion, perhaps it is meant to be him. Substitute rockets for steamers and the distressed seamans act and this story could be based in some very earthly fact. Yes its "Noisy" Rhysling, I reread the very story last nite. I think all Heinlein's musician types were Accordion players, even Lazarous Long. Perhaps Heinlein was himself. But thats a different thread in a different forum.

Regards

Don

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: Sarah
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 01:21 PM

Wow- And I thought I read esoteric books. What was the name of the book and author again? Personally, I'd recommend The Singer, The Song, and the Finale by Calvin Miller.

Subject: RE: Hey- Am I the only one out there?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 05:07 PM

Sarah,

The stories we are referencing were writen by Robert A Heilein. The Story in particular was "The Green Hills of Earth". But also try "Methuselah's Children" "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" "Time Enough For Love" "Starship Troopers" "Farnham's Freehold" and "The Glory Road". Heinlein was one of the best science fiction writers of the century. Even his trash was better that most people's best.

Don.