Eddie Cochran's Birthday

Subject: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 06:58 PM

1938 Eddie Cochran was born on this day (3rd October) in 1938 in Okla City.

C'Mon Everybody

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 07:26 PM

Also Ernest Evans, AKA Chubby Checker, born Oct. 3, 1941
http://www.chubbychecker.com/bio.asp

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 07:27 PM

...even if it is only the 2nd in Mudville.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: eddie1
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 03:22 AM

Hi Shambles
I appreciate these birthday dates - I do a radio programme Thursday mornings and they make for a nice segment.
Keep em comin'

Eddie

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 03:40 AM

To me Eddie Cochran was always the real king of rock and roll, not Elvis.

eric

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: fat B****rd
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 04:06 AM

Eddie and Chubby were 2 of my personal favourites. Happy Birthday, boys.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 04:19 AM

Oh goody!!! Let's argue!!!

eric, you incredible nabob. As you rightly surmised, Elvis was a dick. That is what you meant right? I mean, like, I couldn't agree more. His main talent was in asking for more fried mashed potato cakes. But from that point on you seem to have lost all good sense and reason.

Buddy Holly was the real King of Rock 'N Roll.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 08:36 AM

Elvis was OK originally, I was always a Buddy Holly fan, I've got everything he ever recorded, but I stll say Eddie was the best rock and roller.

eric

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 08:39 AM

If YOU can't HEAR how great Elvis was - then, look up what Eddie and Buddy thought of him; infact, there wouldn't be a Buddy or Eddie to look up if it hadn't been for Elvis!

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 08:40 AM

Gene Vincent was the King of Rock n'roll, period.

A fact recognised by Don MacLean in his song "Vincent", twenty years later.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: Scrump
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 09:01 AM

Wot abaht Shaky?

... I'll get me coat.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 09:04 AM

OK if it wasn't for Elvis we wouldn't have banana and peanut butter sandwiches deep fried in butter. I've put half a stone on just thinking about it.

eric

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 09:50 AM

Eddie Cochran was a massive influence on 1970's UK Glam rock and Punk rock..

i learned guitar way back when i was 15 playing his riffs..

Buddy may have been a marginally better songwriter..

Eddie may have been a better rock guitarist..

they both have pride of place in my record collection..


Elvis is ok in small doses..


btw.. i used to know a bloke who was in the audience at Eddies last ever gig..

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: Dead Horse
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 11:30 AM

Er, Joe Brown anybody?
"What can I do?"
"Dropped me last fag dahn the loo"
"I cant forget you"
"Thats what love will do" etc.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 11:38 AM

nah.. dont get the UK punk'a'billys started off on how important

the legendary Joe's guitar playing is

on Billy Fury's "Sound of Fury" 10"..

Billy Fury wasn't always just a girly ballad singer

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: pdq
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 11:51 AM

Sorry to tell you GUEST (8:40) but the song "Vincent" is about Vincent Van Gogh, the painter. It is not about Gene Vincent.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 12:02 PM

Buddy Holly was/is King. Singer, musician, writer, producer - he did it all and we lost him very young. We'll never know what Buddy & Eddie would have done whereas we know what Elvis did. It's a battle that will always go on. Elvis was basically a rock n roll performer whereas Buddy and Eddie did it all.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 01:38 PM

pdq, not exactly living up to your name, are you ?

That took over three hours, I would normally expect a bite inside three minutes

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 02:03 PM

Unless you lived through the emergence of Elvis - or studied his music in the connext of the music of the '50s, it's difficult to get a true perspective. Eddie, Gene and Buddy grew out of Elvis; indeed, Buddy got his irritating "hiccup" from Elvis ( Elvis was a lot more subtle with his use of it). As a singer/interpreter, Elvis was head and shoulders above his "white" 50s rivals, but Buddy was a terrific song writer, Eddie produced some terrific tracks ( I remember the first time I heard " Somethin'else"- wow!!), and I have a soft spot for Gene. But Elvis!

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 02:27 PM

Elvis opened the door and then got trampled by the rush of talent that followed. Holly was by far the most important and is the one most people on the folk scene appear to go for. Eddie was next, a multi-instrumentalist who, like Holly was ahead of his time.
By the way having shaken hands with Sonny Curtis and Joe Brown I am a handshake away from both.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: Polly Squeezebox
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 04:43 PM

Most British Catters know of the Chippenham Folk Festival, but we have other festivals in Chippenham - one of which commemorates Eddie Cochrane because he died here in the town.

Eddie Cochrane Memorial Festival

This is another excellent Chippenham Festival. Some of you will either know or remember Dick Stanger - who for many years was Director of the Folk Festival. He gave freely of his advice and assistance in the early years when the Eddie Cochrane Festival was first getting going. We have a lot to thank that man for.

Polly.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 05:05 PM

I love Buddy, but his singing lets him down. Great songs, great arrangements but his singing style is far too gimmicky. Eddie, too, doesn't sound natural - just aping Elvis, I'm afraid. Of course, listeners have to possess a proper historical perspective to appreciate these points.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: BanjoRay
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 06:03 PM

Buddy Holly was a great singer/songwriter, Elvis was a sexy crooner (they tell me), Gene Vincent made a few good records, Eddie Cochrane played reasonable guitar, but for Rock and Roll Little Richard knocks them all sideways, though I don't suppose his banjo playing was up to much.
Cheers
Ray

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 06:25 PM

Tunesmith, I have that historical perspective! What Elvis did with the Sun sessions before Parker ruined him was phenomenal, but he wasn't a musician or a writer. He did it by instinct, and then the instinct deserted him and he became a vaudevillian. He only opened the door and the real talent came after.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 06:25 PM

Sorry, but the King was, is, and always will be the incomparable, JERRY LEE LEWIS

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: fumblefingers
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 01:52 AM

I like them all. But any of them would tell you, and I've read what many of them have said, "We owe it all to Elvis."

Harold Jenkins is another one who doesn't get much credit. He didn't get anywhere until he changed his name to Conway Twitty. I have a couple of his original rockabilly tracks from 1950.

Nobody mentioned Bill Haley. "Rock around the clock" is sometimes mentioned as the first rock and roll song.

By the time Chubby Checker came along in the sixties, rock and roll had changed and I lost interest. I went back to my country roots.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 02:02 AM

The King of what Murray? Pedophilic Incest?    LOL.....Just a joke Murray, just a joke............

I'm only getting on maybe once a day right now and that's often late night or early AM and I was happy to see it was so easy to start a row about this. This thread has run far more along the lines of the old Mudcat.........Thanks for that to all of you.....

And I admit it Tuney, Elvis really was the KING

.......of black velvet paintings

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

Spaw

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 04:13 AM

Joe Brown also plays a mean mandolin.

eric

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,Major Dennis Bloodnock
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 04:52 AM

Well I'm a gonna raise a fuss, I'm agonna raise a holler.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 06:23 AM

Wordy, Elvis was a musician. A great, innovative musician! If you can't see that, well....

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 07:08 AM

No way Tunesmith! Name a song he wrote. An innovator I grant you, but quickly sidetracked into crap songs and crap movies. He played guitar adequately, but what else qualified him as a musician as opposed to a singer/entertainer?

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 07:15 AM

OK, Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald didn't write any (many?)songs - and recorded a lot of trivial material but are they not great musicians? The real problem here is peoples inabilty to hear a great artist. Ask Bob Dylan, ask John Lennon, ask Buddy Holly, ask Gene Vincent, ask Eddie Cochran, ask Bruce Springsteen if Elvis was a great musician, and they'd all say YES. It looks like I've got some real heavyweights on my side of the debate!

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 07:26 AM

I think we need to define the term "musician". You seem to be mixing it up with "artist". Most musicians, if not all would not aply the term to Sinatra, Fitzgerald etc. They were singers of material written by musician/composers. Elvis wasn't one of those.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 07:59 AM

Some posters may be surprised that the Wiltshire town of Chippenham in the UK will always be associated with the memory of Eddie Cochran.

http://www.eddiecochran.info/biography_Chippenham.htm

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 08:16 AM

Wordy, I singer is a musician! Elvis was a great singer; therefore, Elvis, is a great musician. Buddy wasn't a great singer, Eddie wasn't a great singer, although I wouldn't disagree that they may have been great songwriters, arrangers etc

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: Scrump
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 09:20 AM

FWIW (nothing I suspect):

Elvis: great in his early days with Sun, went downhill rapidly after that. Great voice though. Sad he wasted his talent, and his life for that matter.

Buddy: great songwriter and records, in spite of any perceived limitations in his voice or musicianship. He was an innovator.

Eddie: great songwriter and records, great guitarist too, good voice for the stuff he did.

All three were influential beyond their own lifetimes. The difference is that Eddie and Buddy died in their prime and will always be remembered for the short period where they burned white hot. If Elvis had died similarly he might have been remembered the same way - sadly many people remember him for decline into the bloated parody of himself he became before he died (also young but not as young as the others). Me, I like to think of him in the Sun days.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 09:20 AM

Sory we'll have to disagree on definition. Anyone else agree that someone who is solely a singer is a musician? Or do you agree with my definition?
By the way, I think both Buddy and Eddie were far better singers than Presley and more talented. However, the comeback concert is still iconic.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: Snuffy
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 09:26 AM

Anyone else agree that someone who is solely a singer is a musician?

Anyone else agree that someone who is solely an instrumentalist is a musician?

Same difference

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 09:32 AM

Ah, great minds Snuff.....I was just gonna' say..............

Sinatra and Fitzgerald were both very fine musicians who were well versed in arranging and scoring ofen creating many of their own touches. It wasn't uncommon for Sinatra to severely critique and rearrange much of his material. Elvis on the other hand was gifted in arranging the food on his plate.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 09:59 AM

for direct influences on my playing and band activities

Eddie and Chuck..

for personal listening pleasure at an emotional level
above and beyond
the visceral thrill of rock'n'roll

Buddy..


Elvis however, was a laughing stock..

[despite the legendary early Sun records which we still loved
and gave full credit to..]

even Cliff Richard had more credibility than Elvis
to us UK punkrock adolescents in the late 70's..

unsurprisingly..
we weren't too sympathetic when hearing on the news
of the 'comical' tragic way he was found dead..


The problem with Elvis is its not easy for a casual listener to find any good later recordings
amidst all the dross and stodge
in over his stuffed, over marketed back catalogue..

..and being held up as a extreme fan worship show biz deity
and corporate plunder milk-cow
never helped his reputation or accessability
for younger more discering listeners...

BTW.. Eddie at such a young age was also a much in demand session guitarist
and inovative multi-track record producer..

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 10:20 AM

also.. realisticly..

if moneys tight and you wander into a CD shop with a spare tenner
to cheer yerself up with a treat of new tunes to listen to..

and if faced with the decision of a budget priced Elvis compilation
to risk wading through to discover a few good tracks..

or.. say for example a collection of obscure local one hit wonder
origional 50's rockabilly bands you never heard of..


sorry Elvis's estate.. you lose again..

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 12:42 PM

Amazing! A lot has been said about Elvis's Sun recordings. Many were spoiled by Sam Philip's over use of echo, but take a listen to " My Baby Left Me". The vocal is fantastic! Eddie, Gene, Buddy - and Cliff(!) could only dream of singing as good as that.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 01:14 PM

i dont think anyone here is realy dismissing Elvis's credentials
as an all time great interpretive singer..

but his cultural value has been sadly undermined by incessant repackaging and profiteering
and extreme ridiculous fan deification..

but anyway..

GUEST,Tunesmith mate.. seriously..

please do recomend a few choice latter day Elvis CD's
that are consistently good to listen to
and worth considering buyng..



but as this is Eddies birthday thread..

its gotta be said that although new compilations of duff demo songs
and limp filler tracks are still emerging..

at least a decent 20 best of CD rarely includes tracks
that are so bad they make you wince and regret spending the £££$$ on it..


same with Buddy..


..and as for Chuck Berry's 'ding a ling'..

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: pdq
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 01:30 PM

Nobody was more important than Elvis in the popularization of Rock'n'Roll music. Chuck Berry was second most important. Bill Haley, on the other hand, invented it.

Sun sessions? What about Johnny Cash, Charly Rich and Roy Orbison?

If you judge early Rock'n'Rollers strictly by the product they produced, Ricky Nelson cannot be beat. Great songs, fine singing and even James Burton's pioneering lead guitar work. He and Cash I still listen to. Maybe Buddy on occasion.

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 03:56 PM

I can't be doing with Ricky Nelson! James Burton's contribution, YES!

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: The Shambles
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 12:32 PM

Jerry Lee's Birthday

Subject: RE: Eddie Cochran's Birthday
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 01:03 PM

a few years back me & the mrs enjoyed a great gig in a small west country venue

by jerry's sister


Linda Gail Lewis


http://www.lindagaillewis.com/discography/together.php



i think she lives somewhere in Wales...?????