BS: Paisley pulls out - no big surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: Paisley pulls out - no big surprise.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 03:44 PM

Gerry Adams's reaction

I hope I'm wrong but I think Ian Paisley's attitude will only considerably mellow by death.

(BTW, I had to look up what Vatican Roulette means exactly though I had a fairly good idea. I like one German meaning a bit better for it follows more closely the Russian Roulette association: Five anti-baby pills and one smartie)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Paisley pulls out - no big surprise.
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 03:08 PM

That is about it Mick. Loyalists have murdered 34 people since 1998 and it never gets a mention. Can you imagine me coming here and republicans still knocking the odd loyalist off ?

Hardened republicans were not easy to convince about this new way forward, believe me the split that took place shattered life long friendships.

All we get on local television is the DUP going on about old chapters from the bible and the fire that God will send down upon the followers of Rome. I don't follow Rome so where do I stand ?


What you have to remember is, the DUP live in the past, they go on about the B'Specials, UDR and RUC. These groups were anti catholic and the British government disbanded ALL of them. The DUP keep telling us about the legacy of unionists in a protestant parliment 50 years ago.
Christ we don't need reminded of that !


They go on about "popery" and "popish ways" it's like listening to some preacher in the American deep south about coloured guys.

Yes it's easy for some members here to cut the shite out of me about past events, but what more can republicans give ?

Believe me the purse is empty.

Subject: RE: BS: Paisley pulls out - no big surprise.
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 02:39 PM

That was my point in starting the thread. The apologists need to quit making excuses for this shit. We can go back and forth over the troubles, the history, who did what, ..... ad infinitum. But the fact is that the Republicans, in the face of provocation that most could not stand, have made and continue to make all the moves for peace. Paisley and that lot of anti catholic bigots continue to "move the goal posts" time and again. It is time for decent British and Northern Irish people to put the heat to those that really don't want equal civil rights and fair representation for all parties. As long as decent people act as enablers, these wretches will continue to subvert the process. Their intent is clear. They want the process to fail, and they want to incite the violence to start again.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Paisley pulls out - no big surprise.
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 02:29 PM

I suppose anyone that thought the DUP honestly wanted to share government with republicans/nationalists is deluding themselves.

The talks in Scotland last week did show some promise until the DUP began to add other demands to their wish list. Some of these were totally unrealistic and faded out.

The DUP are trying everyones patience, Tony Blair finds the man impossible to deal with. I remenber John Major lost his temper with him at a meeting and called a name ! Paisley walked out of the meeting.

There is a chance the DUP may move forward once Ian Paisley retires, the other members of the party had very little to say last week.

The true facts of the situation is the DUP don't want catholic backsides in government. Their grass roots voter is very anti catholic let alone anti republican, visit one of their websites. They have been driven to these talks by the British government.

Sinn Fein have put their ass in a sling to get the talks to this stage. They convinced hardened republicans to turn their back on the armed struggle and said they would deliver. Sadly the DUP are blocking progress at every step. So Sinn Fein are the ones who have to answer to those republicans.

Sinn Fein WILL join the policing board, that was always the sticking point for the DUP. Now they got an assurance on that, they moved the goal posts.

Please understand that all of this is a very big step for republicans, some here can scoff if they like, it doesn't bother me. What more can republicans do, alternative ?

Subject: RE: BS: Paisley pulls out - no big surprise.
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 12:55 PM

"For years they have"

I guess that is the central issue. For years most of those involved have not been ......................

It wont belong before this thread shows ............

Subject: RE: BS: Paisley pulls out - no big surprise.
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 12:35 PM

I guess I agree, but I think it is important to point out who the real obstructionists are. For years they have sabotaged the chances for peace, and begin the process of creating an atmosphere of trust. Paisley has been the instrument of this, and continues to be the instrument of this. I am glad that folks on both sides of the divide, in London and Dublin, are starting to publicly acknowledge this.

Subject: RE: BS: Paisley pulls out - no big surprise.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 12:35 PM

Sounds like the Orange version of Vatican Roulette.
G.

Subject: RE: BS: Paisley pulls out - no big surprise.
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 12:29 PM

Most people have stopped killing each other so much progress there. Perhaps we have to wait until the next generation of politicians on each side move into the top jobs. It is hard to see how Paisley and Adams can ever really have a dialogue of trust.

Subject: RE: BS: Paisley pulls out - no big surprise.
From: ard mhacha
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 11:20 AM

Mick if this shambolic assembly comes about, can anyone possibly believe that the Paisley Party will sit and debate with Adams and co like everyday normal governments,in view of the DUPs bigtory towards anything Nationalist, that is a forlorn hope.
Better to leave it on the long finger until Dublin and London sort it out.

Subject: BS: Paisley pulls out - no big surprise.
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 11:06 AM

Some surprise, eh?

Flash: Paisley pulls out from Adams encounter

DUP leader Ian Paisley today pulled out of a meeting that would have seen him come face to face with Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams.

The two party chiefs were due to take part in talks on a new programme for a future power-sharing government in the North of Ireland.

The decision to pull out was confirmed in Belfast just hours before the negotiations were due to start and followed a new row over whether Sinn Fein MP and former IRA commander Martin McGuinness would
swear an oath to support the PSNI police and the rule of law next month.

If agreement is reached, the DUP leader and the Sinn Fein chief negotiator are due to be installed as First and Deputy First Minister on November 24th in one of a series of choreographed moves towards the return of powers from London and Belfast by March 26th next year.

But Mr Paisley's son, Ian jnr, said: "The party leader will not be going to today's meeting. We need to talk with the [British] government about these matters before he starts going to programme for government meetings."

Earlier, a DUP spokesman said they were "alarmed" at the suggestion that a ministerial vow to support the police would not come into effect until next March even though Mr McGuinness is due to be nominated as Deputy First Minister in November.

As a republican, Mr McGuinness would have obvious problems in supporting British rule and policing in Ireland, but would find less difficulty supporting a Six County police service under locally devolved rule. The pledge demand is being seen in the context of previous DUP demands for repentance and humiliation.

British and Irish government officials regarded the first meeting of the new Programme for Government Committee as a significant development for the peace process in the wake of last week's breakthrough at the St Andrews talks in Scotland.

Under the St Andrews Agreement, which the parties have to give their assent to by November 10th, there are a number of staging posts before power-sharing returnd to the North next year.

The governments had hoped today's meeting would be part of the process of building trust and confidence between the two parties ahead of full devolution next March. There had also been speculation that the encounter involving Mr Paisley and Mr Adams would have represented the first official direct talks between the two parties.