BS: Ashes

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Hrothgar
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 06:20 AM

They need to not leave the bleedin' gate open, as I said.

I would have thought Duncan Fletcher, as coach, would be doing something about it.

Reminds me of the Aussie bowlers and their no-balls last year - with Buchanan not doing anything I could see to fix them.

We still have a situation where nearly half the runs in the whole match wre scored by two batsmen, which indicates a brittleness in both sides. I wouldn't take 5-0 for the series for granted, that's for sure, especially with the possibility of rain in Sydney.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: GUEST,Allen in OZ
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 05:16 PM

It were ALWAYS rainin in Sydney ( or Denley Moor). I think the answer lies not only in the soil,as Arthur Fallowfield would have suggested, but in the captaincy of Freddie and the failure of the selectors to play Monty earlier. Also, there is the slight factor of Warne ( I saw him get his first wiicket at the SCG )

Best wishes

AD1943

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Hrothgar
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 04:47 AM

Sad, sad, sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Rasener
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 04:55 AM

Lets face it, at the moment England do not have that killer instinct that the Aussies have.
Through the series, Australia have played some superb cricket and it has been a delight to watch.
I don't think England have too bad a team, but are unfortunate that they have met a very strong Aussie team.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 07:36 AM

Well there is no doubt in my mind about the quality of Australia. I do however feel that England have under-achieved in this series. I don't think we would have won the series but had we been as we were last Ashes, I think we would have put on a better show.

I think only the weather can save us now but, let's hope England can pick up the pieces and we get a better series next time.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 03:31 PM

there are another 42 overs before the new ball.I reckon england might manage to hang on till then.ONCEthe new ball is taken, NO.
I predict australia might have a total of 140 to get

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 08:39 PM

Thank you Gentlemen - please come back again!

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Hrothgar
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 03:51 AM

Now the poor bastards have to hang around for the one day series, when I am sure that they would be much happier on a plane headed north west.

Not enough preparation - should have had a couple of first class games before the Tests.

Wrong captain - much as I admire Freddie.

Interesting that people think Pietersen is a weakness because of perceived personality problems. Geoff Boycott was a damned sight worse, but he was the rock on which Mike Brearley's winning team was built.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Rasener
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 04:50 AM

>>Wrong captain - much as I admire Freddie.<<

Agreed. Flintoff is not the same. I also do not like seeing a bowler as captain.

Unlike a batsman as captain, a bowler captain will always overbowl themselves to the detriment of the other bowlers.

I don't know who the coach is for bowling, but I think we need a new coach for that. Somebody who will teach them to bowl accurately and on a length. What about McGrath or Warne?

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: The Shambles
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 07:39 AM

Nothing to say really - it was all said on the pitch.

Last series was narrowly won by the marginally better team and Captain - this one was convincingly won by the far better team and Captain.

Every time the England team needed to do something - like not lose a wicket before close of play - the Australian team just made sure they didn't.

Looking forward to the next time as the only thing to do with a Aussie with their tail-up - is to make sure you kick it good and hard.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 08:07 AM

What is the England record against Australia over the past 20 Tests? I haven`t checked but at a guess I would say 2 to 3 England victories in the Ashes.
The Aussies are the masters in every department, finding the formula for a successful England team looks like a very long hard road.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Tootler
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 04:19 PM

Someone once said the Australians' national sport was winning.

To me that is the difference between the two teams, not the difference in talent or quality of players, but of will to win.

Australia had it by the shovelful, England didn't even have a glimmer of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Rasener
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 03:42 AM

Blimey Frletcher mus have seen my post about the bowling coaches
My Quote
I don't know who the coach is for bowling, but I think we need a new coach for that. Somebody who will teach them to bowl accurately and on a length. What about McGrath or Warne?
End of quote

Have a read
Warne & McGrath

Maybe I should become his personal advisor LOL :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 08:32 AM

good ,Warne may be able to help leg spinners too.yorkshire have two young good ones.FLETCHER should include them in the squad,if he does get warne as a bowling coach,one of them Rashid is a good batsman too.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Terry K
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 09:19 AM

We were thoroughly outplayed by a much better side. My "target" for the series was 2 draws at best - I still think we would have achieved that except the weather let us down (it failed to rain enough)(smirk).

Seriously, I believe the key is in looking at the ages of the players. The Aussies are all relatively mature cricketers who have "served their time" over the years. Look at Brett Lee - he had to wait years before moving up to a full place, by which time he had acquired sufficient mental maturity to last the pace at the highest level. And Symonds. And Stuart Clark ..... etc etc. And those who think they are now in trouble because of losing Warne, McGrath and Langer should think again - they have plenty of experienced talent waiting in the wings.

By contrast, we see a bright young lad in the County game and immediately put him into the Test side, long before he is ready (Mahmoud was there why exactly?). I believe the strain of test cricket is such that a player has a limited number of years before he burns out, so if you start a player too young, he will be burned out by the time he reaches his physical and mental peak. It happened to Thorpe, now to Trescothick, and it looks as though Harmison is in a similar boat.

We also have a penchant for discarding players who don't find immediate success, in the hope that the next bright young thing will achieve. What happened to Robert Key, and a couple of years previously, Nick Knight?

Interestin to note that the other Test side which follows the same principal of playing raw youngsters on rapid turnover is Bangladesh. 'Nuff said?

cheers, Terry

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 09:38 AM

Didn't Shane Warne start young?

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Les from Hull
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 04:15 PM

I suppose that the age you start Test Cricket will vary a lot depending on which country and how well they are doing.

If your country isn't doing too well, you may fell that you want to change some players. You can look at players you've rejected in the past or you can try somebody younger. For the Aussies it's been hard to get into the team because the established players have been doing so well. And if a player has a drop in form there's no need to rush him out of the side if his team-mates are still performing well and the side is winning. So when a new player comes in he has plenty of of experience and his skills are well developed.

But then sometimes some schoolkid comes along and amazes everyone with his talent. Sachin Tendulkar, anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 05:15 PM

Trouble is, with many mainstream sports in the UK, average sportsmen/women can make a fabulous living being nothing more than mediocre. When they are put on the world stage, the cracks begin to show......

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Big Phil
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 05:19 PM

last post was from me at 05:15 PM Cookie re set now

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 07:09 PM

As a Scot I'm supposed to support England to tell the truth I support Australia because most of my famliy live there and I there for my holidays sometimes, so COME ON AUSSIE COME ON COME ON I feel sorry about the 'English' team getting beat, well not really.

as shane warne was asked why he was fat he said the every time he fucked your wife she would give him a sandwich.(reporter's wife)

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: JennyO
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 08:46 PM

A vegemite sandwich, no doubt. Glad to see you know which side your bread is buttered, Tom :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 09:06 PM

Tom Hamilton - 06 Jan 07 - 07:09 PM

"As a Scot I'm supposed to support England"

As a Scot Tom are you really that pathetic?

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: JennyO
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 09:09 PM

Geeze Teribus, who pissed on your cornflakes today?

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 09:14 PM

Nobody JennyO, absolutely nobody

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 06:05 AM

I don't think many English people feel sorry for england. It seems a bit stupid sending a team if you're not good enough to give them a decent game

And good enough comes in a lot of different packages. Once again you are left with the uneasy feeling that te selectors have cocked up at some elemental level - maybe not seeing enough county matches and seeing what talent there is out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 07:14 AM

tom hamilton,the original quote [I think ]was made by a new zealand cricketer[appropriately named ] Martin Greatbatch,who asked by an australian bowler,why he was so fat,said evry time I f... your wife she gives me a biscuit[in fact the aussie bowler may well have been warne].

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 07:21 AM

CORRECTION. MARK Greatbatch.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 07:28 AM

There seem to a few suggestions on the internet. The most likely to me seems to be Eddo Brandes of Zimbawe in response to Glen McGrath.

Wikipedia gives:

In an (in)famous incident Australian fast bowler Glenn McGrath remarked after Brandes had just hit him for two fours "Hey Eddo, why are you so fucking fat?", to which Brandes is reputed to have replied "Because every time I fuck your wife, she gives me a biscuit".

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Rasener
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 07:31 AM

Tom
>>I support Australia because most of my famliy live there and I there for my holidays<<
Didn't know your family had a criminal background LOL

You asked for that as a Scotsman :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 09:42 AM

well my brother Jim does, he went to court for stealing ice cream and was found not guilty.
the reason was the polis had the wrong man.
I support two teams in the world Scotland and any other team that beats England.
I just dont like the English, I mean I wish sometimes I was in Australia, they complain about the poms, and yet unlike them we in Scotland have to live next door to them. As indiviutals they are all right but as a nation no way, and that is the view of my brother in law who himself is from England

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 09:43 AM

PS,

I don't beleive in bowing down or kow towing to the English unlike some Scots do

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Rasener
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 09:59 AM

Life has changed much since I lived in Scotland then.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Rasener
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 10:04 AM

Whats amazing, is if I had a go at the Scots, I would be rascist, but we have to take it from the Scots and all other parts of the UK. :-)

I remember once a Welsh guy posting on another forum about how good Wales were at Rugby and they would wallop England. However England walloped them.

So for a laugh, I put a number of jokes on the thread about sheep.

This bloke accused me of being rascist and copmplained to the moderators. Obviously can't handle life.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 11:20 AM

Ok,

As I say I like some English not all, it's the same with the Scots, I can't get on with some and not others, and you telling jokes about the welsh and sheep well you're the same as me then aren't you a racist. but that is Politcal Correctness, I remember some saying to Frank Carson that he was racist because he told Irish Jokes, I mean the guy is Irish and he's tell jokes about his own countrymen/women.

An Englishman was in the zoo were he saw a lion on the ground cleaning his arse, when he asked the zoo keeper why he was doing that the zoo keeper said well about half an hour ago, the lion grabbed an Englishman into the cage and ate him, but sid the Englishman that doesn't explain why it's licking his arse, well said the zoo keeper the lion has to get of the taste somehow.

you accuse all Australians are criminals, the Welsh and sheep and yet you don't consider yourself as racist, I know I say racists things, but that's me.
so why not admit that you're a racist and if you don't then you're a hypocrite, like me

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 11:21 AM

well you accuse memebers of my family as criminals didn't you.

From: The Villan - PM
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 07:31 AM

Tom
>>I support Australia because most of my famliy live there and I there for my holidays<<
Didn't know your family had a criminal background LOL

You asked for that as a Scotsman :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 11:23 AM

PPS.

I'm just a grumpy old shit that doesn't think before writing stuff.

so I'm sorry for writing that shit.

Tom

lets agree to disagree

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Rasener
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 12:59 PM

I was only kidding Tom and trying to wind you up :-).

I took a lot of stick from the Scots when I lived up there and learn't how to give it out without getting upset. I made a lot of good friends whilst I was up there. I got invited to all the carry oots and the first footings and the Rangers & Falkirk matches and I was the only Englishman. I loved my time up there O(except for the first 6 months whilst I got used to the Glaswegian language)

I just find it quite sad that we can't have a laugh and joke these days wikthout somebody bringing in the PC brigade etc.

Like you but in the oposite direction, love to see the Scots get beaten at Football & Rugby especially if its England.

Where it gets dangerous is when somebody personally insults somebody and means it. Like when offensive Guests post.

I don't really know what Rascism is as such. In my time and travels I have had, Jamaican/West Indian, Indian, Pakistani, Egyptian, German, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, French, American, Dutch (my wife is Dutch :-) ), friends.

The majority through playing cricket, football, squash, badmington. We all gave each other as good as we got, but above all we were friends.

Isn't Racsim the hatred of a Country or nation or group of people?

I might hate somebody becuase they have physically done something towards me etc, but that doesn't mean that I hate the couintry they come from.

I think we are slowly losing our sense of humour and disapearing up our own A******.

Any way just incase, no hatred from me to you Tom, just hopefully good humerous banter. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 01:09 PM

That's ok villian.

no harm done, as I say dome of my in laws are English, and I have cousins who are American, Australian, Polish, and I have nephews and nieces who are Australian as well.

Tom

So as I say, no harm done.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashes
From: Rasener
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 01:49 PM

How about this link Tom

Cricket fan sells home to pay for Ashes trip to Oz

Now I think he is a really nice Scotsman :-)

Who was the last person from Scotland to play for England ?