Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol

Subject: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: HiHo_Silver
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 07:57 PM

Hello: I have this Guitar Chord symbol on a piece of sheet music. I am unfimilar with the symbol and am unable to find it in any chord dictionary I have. Chord symbol is: "C#-" and appears to be built on the notes from bottom of clef to top as follows: E G Bb C#. Is there another symbol? Minor , 7th, Dim. etc. for this chord?   what is the finger position on the guitar to build this chord? Thanks for any info. Jim

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 08:05 PM

I got a C#- once in Phys. Ed.

Don

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: Nick
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 08:06 PM

C# diminished

Equal spaces between the notes - C# (3) E (3) G (3) Bb

Mind you, in the order it's written it could be an E diminished :) or the first inversion of a ...

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: Nick
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 08:11 PM

Like augmenteds have 4 semitones between the notes

C# (4) F (4) A (4) C#

So only 4 basic augmented chords and three basic diminished ones as you play them up the neck of a guitar

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: Nick
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 08:14 PM

The shape is normally (for me)

xx2323 for a C#dim (or Edim/Gdim/Bbdim) and then you can run it up the guitar xx5656 xx8989 xx11 12 11 12

Spine tingling Alice's restaurant stuff :)

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: HiHo_Silver
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 09:11 PM

Great informatio thanks: Neglected to mention the circumstances. The Key is GM The progression is GM B7 CM C#- G E7 etc. Perhaps this will provide a clue as to the correct chord name.

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: M.Ted
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 09:29 PM

Certainly seems like the chord is a C# diminished--generally though, C#-" is used to indicate C#minor--I have a feeling that, like so many pieces of sheet music, the chords could be improved--don't know what song you're playing, but that progression sounds a bit odd when played like that. It sounds better if you use a C minor where the C#- is--of course, it might not fit the song--

What song are you playing?

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: HiHo_Silver
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 09:36 PM

The tune is a traditional fiddle tune: The Four Jacks. It is hard to explain the melody. However the melody notes for that passage are as follows: g f g a f a b g e. This passages starts with CM C#- GM.

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: GUEST,Johnmc
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 09:40 AM

I have more normally seen an "0 " as the sign for diminished chords.

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: Darowyn
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 12:17 PM

If a standard C7 chord is made up of C,E,G,Bb, then your chord is only one note different, the root becomes C#. That is piece of cake for a piano player,- only one finger to move- and that is why the chord is such a common one in jazz.
I personally believe that the naming of any chord beyond a basic triad should be regarded as a mnemonic device at best.
According to context, you might be hearing that chord as C7flat9, C#dim, C#m7 etc etc.
The most common use for the chord is in the jazz version of the four chord turnaround that goes with songs like "Stormy Weather"
C C#dim Dm7 G7, quite a lot classier than C Am F G!
Cheers
Dave

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 01:42 PM

Another fingering for a c#dim is 3x232x. Dave's turnaround could be fingered: C-3x555x, C#dim-3x323x, Dm7-5x353x, G7-3x343x.
I don't have a guitar in my hands, so I hope that's right. I often make the C-x3555x, but with the first way, I think it's C/G, you use the same combination of strings for all chords.

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: Jeremiah McCaw
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 03:01 PM

". . . use a C minor where the C#- . . ."

Looked at in a different way, if you finger a C major chord and then play a C# note wherever the C note would normally be, that IS a C# diminished chord.

That help, or just muddy the issue even further?

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: M.Ted
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 06:27 PM

I mentioned the Cminor chord not because it is in any way equivalent to what is there, but because it was something else that fit in that kind of a progression--the progression that he has is certainly viable and valid--just seems more of jazz/pop standards progression than a "traditional" progression --

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: Grab
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 06:46 PM

C7 chord, to be more accurate...

Subject: RE: Chord Req: Name this Guitar Chord symbol
From: M.Ted
Date: 01 Dec 06 - 02:07 AM

Here are some different ways to rework the same chord progression--giving varying degrees of Jazziness and folkiness--

G-B7-C-Cm-G-E7-A7-D7-G

G-B7-C-C#dim-G-E7-A7-D7-G

G-B7-C-A7- G-E7-A7-D7-G

G-Bm-C-Cm-G-Em-Am-D7-G

G-Bm-C-C-G-Em-Am-D7-G--

And, if you want, you can go from the G to the E7 like this: G-F#7-F7-E7-