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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: katlaughing Date: 28 Mar 99 - 04:49 PM Boy, Shambles, you guys sure know how to make a gyrl cry! What a beautiful poem. Made even more poignant for me, as my niece and grandnephew, "bet's" daughter and grandson, are at Aviano in Italy, where her husband is stationed. Bet just talked to them today and I guess it's pretty scary there, too, particularly because of the fear or retalitation. Took her one and a half hours to drive to the base instead of the usual twenty minutes because of all of the press, extra forces and Italians who love to watch the big planes fly out. I hope you and Mick are right about the children. I know it is true for some. I wish everybody could get the one tribe thing. Thank you Shambles. katlaughing |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: Lonesome EJ Date: 28 Mar 99 - 11:38 PM I believe that xenophobia is what the root word means, a fear. As a fear it has a deep and subconscious effect on our actions.This fear is a ready tool to the hands of a despot, but it does not embody power. Fear is a primal emotion that is based in self-protection, a fall-back position that underlies and undermines our best intentions. I am not sure that whatever degree of enlightenment we are able to attain will entirely subjugate it. We are poised on the edge of a precipice that has been spawned from xenophobia, a centuries old back-and-forth surge of slaughter and reprisal. From our point of objective enlightenment, we observe the genocide of one people against their neighbors and we are outraged, and we seek to punish the perpetrators of this crime. And we fling lightning bolts down at these primitive hate-driven criminals, for the noble purpose of making them stop. But fear of our retribution will only force them to do their deeds under cover. You see, in their eyes, they are seeking justice.
Perhaps we
And so our noblest aspirations grapple with the most basic of our fears.
Regards to all, LEJ |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Mar 99 - 12:52 AM Jesus Leej..........Well Stroked!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: Steve Parkes Date: 29 Mar 99 - 02:31 AM COming back to you, Ferrara (at last!): that's exactly what I dud mean - thanks for putting it so well. "Human nature, Mr Allnut, is what we were put on Earth to overcome." Apologies if I misquoted slightly. Steve |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: Frank in the swamps Date: 29 Mar 99 - 05:57 AM As far as our instincts go, we are really not that different from any other animal, we'll kill for food (or resources) or to defend ourselves. All social animals have inate means of diffusing agonistic behaviour, dogs roll on their backs, exposing their bellies, we open our arms and smile. Difficulty with humans is our intellect, we have cunning and can trick one another, hence, we have difficulty trusting our instincts or our judgement. With the awesome power our species has, we are in a position of not being able to negotiate peace & cooperation unless we are in a position to enforce any contract we agree to. I agree wholeheartedly with Mick that we have to teach our children well (groan, CS&N soundtrack goes on), but I would add that we also have to maintain, at great expense, the frightening ability and willingness, to rain down death upon any who threaten the children. If we only had the wisdom to know when to use that power, and when to keep it sheathed. Frank i.t.s. |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: Hazel Date: 29 Mar 99 - 07:37 PM This planet isn't big enough for any of us to be xenophobic. Look at the Balkans, for gods sake. Our wee folk club in east coast Scotland is certainly not that. We have members from several countries and many of our patrons go to the bother of learning songs in different languages! Bulgarian for one! I think that because "folk" music is every where, we can all understand a little of what each of us is trying to say in our own way. I just wish every one every where would make a bigger effort to try understand their neighbours. We just have this one piece of rock in space to play with- so lets stop farting around! |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: cypher Date: 29 Mar 99 - 11:11 PM My only observation is that xenophobia does not exist in the natural world. There is no xenophbia at the waterhole on the Serengetti Plain. Tis a true "Human " conditioon for man is the only species that fears his own kind. |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: gargoyle Date: 30 Mar 99 - 01:07 AM Given another 100years I have no doubt that most of the world will begin to resemble California....(Yes they are out to Cali-fornicate the world)
The "white" population throughout the state dropped below 50% in the month of February. This is the first time this has happened in 150 years. Current mix is about 49% white, 33% Hispanic, 12% Asian, and 6% black.
The intermixing of the races is creating some of the most stunningly, esthetically beautiful children on the face of the earth. A blue eyed girl - of Black, French and Asian parentage is not uncommon, nor is a black eyed blond - of Irish, Asian, Hispanic lineage. In addition to being better looking this "new breed," as judged by college admissions, appears to be more intelligent, and from personal observations hardworking, and even tempered. They celebrate their diversity.
The faces of Califonia have changed...soon the rest of the world will follow.....with such divergent backgrounds in 200 years perhaps the word xenophobic will be as archaic as 'mulatto' is in California today. |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: The Shambles Date: 30 Mar 99 - 02:05 AM Gargoyle My observations on obviously (for we are ALL mixed race) mixed race beauty is that what you say is true they are some of the most stunningly attractive people you can see. The sad fact is in most case I would suggest, they do not yet feel, themselves that they are beautiful or that there is a place where they belong. Hopefully as you say that will change and we can help it do so. |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: AlistairUK Date: 31 Mar 99 - 05:47 AM Refresh let's keep this going guys |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: Penny Date: 31 Mar 99 - 06:37 AM Heard a program this morning about Tiger Bay in Cardiff, with a guy who had Jewish, West Indian, Filipino, North Welsh, Norwegian and Irish in his family tree. It may not quite be California, but the results should be stunning. And, apparently, the people of the area were getting on well, with a shared culture, so it can be done. |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: katlaughing Date: 21 May 99 - 02:59 PM Thank you, Shamb! I hope everybody will give this a good and thorough read. kat |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: The Shambles Date: 08 Jun 00 - 03:10 PM With all the thread titles around recently (to which I plead guilty, I thought it might be a good idea to refresh this one? As this is a bit big now, I will start Xenophobia 2, for new contributions and will provide a link in the next post to this one. |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: The Shambles Date: 08 Jun 00 - 03:15 PM For new contributions, click here Xenophobia 2. |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: bubblyrat Date: 22 Mar 07 - 08:00 PM Gosh !! I always wondered what Xenophobia meant !! |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: GUEST,Bruce Michael Baillie Date: 23 Mar 07 - 07:01 AM Cara, I think you'll find if you do some research on the English Longbow that that the arrows were feathered with goose feathers, not peacock, also they used spanish or italian yew which was apparently of better quality than English Yew |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Mar 07 - 08:17 AM Well thanks there Guest Bruce, but Cara hasn't been around here in 5 or more years and this thread is 7 years old. (;<)) But that's good info anyway! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: GUEST,B.M.Baillie Date: 23 Mar 07 - 09:44 AM ...So it is! silly me I never look at the dates, I stand chastened! |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: Leadfingers Date: 23 Mar 07 - 09:59 AM Z is for xenophobia - A morbid fear of Buddhists A line from the Dyslexic Alphabet song |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Mar 07 - 10:02 AM No,no....not chastened! I think we've all done it! I tell ya' what's worse though......when you've been here as long as I have and have posted a lot, someone pulls up one of these old threads and you begin reading, not noticing the date. All of a sudden you discover that the post you are reading is YOUR OWN from 7 or 8 years ago! Worse yet, just before you realized it was yours from awhile back, you're thinking, "What kind of idiot wrote this friggin' piece of tripe?" Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: GUEST,meself Date: 23 Mar 07 - 10:20 AM And then, of course, Cara was telling what was fairly obviously (sorry) an elaborate joke, and which she went on to declare was a joke, a year or two or three later, but in this same thread ... So yes, yes ... chastened! |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: bubblyrat Date: 23 Mar 07 - 04:57 PM If Man is the only species who fears his own kind, then how do you explain the behaviour of Chimpanzees in the wild who will, on encountering a "strange " chimp. from another troupe, who has strayed into their territory, chase down, catch, kill, tear to pieces,and then eat, one of their own . ???? Humans, like Chimpanzees, are conditioned to live in small - to - medium "groups" , and instinctively become uneasy and unsettled when confronted with aliens, whose prescence triggers primeval subconscious responses to the threats posed to their food supplies, womenfolk, power, etc., hence the " Fear of Strangers " that the word Xenophobia implies. The citizens of the United States are probably more tolerant of "strangers" than the British, as they have not,to my knowledge, ( The Americans ) been invaded and subdued by, Saxons, Jutes, Angles, Danes, Norwegians, Romans, French, and very nearly by the Spanish and the Germans. I was always taught that a WOG was a WILY ORIENTAL GENTLEMAN , all Italians were either WOPS or EYE-TIES : All Spaniards are DAGOS ( from " Don Diego ) whilst the Germans are either KRAUTS or THE HUN . The Japanese, of course, are NIPS ( from NIPPON ) whilst the term FROG, as used to describe the French, has almost become a term of affection !! The British , particularly in the armed forces, always refer to the Chinese as CHINKS or CHOGUES , the term SLOPEHEAD being unknown other than in American films , where one might also encounter GOOK, NIGGER and, yes !! --LIMEY !! All this malarkey is a defence mechanism, a coping strategy for dealing with the realities of everyday multi-racial and multi-cultural society. It"s not just that we are AFRAID of strangers----We don"t actually LIKE them very much, given the way we have been conquered and overrun by them for the last 2000 years or so !! So if we are less than enthusiastic at the prospect of our favourite daughter marrying a Touareg slave-trafficker , perhaps the rest of the world could be a bit more tolerant and understanding ??? Please ?? |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: GUEST,meself Date: 23 Mar 07 - 05:36 PM Where's that time-machine someone was talking about in another thread - I want to go back to 2007, quick! |
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Subject: RE: Xenophobia From: Stringsinger Date: 24 Mar 07 - 05:34 PM Xenophobia, love it or leave it! :) I'll take the latter. Frank |
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