BS: Record temperatures

Subject: BS: Record temperatures
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 05:50 AM

Another record breaking year for UK.
Some trees still in leaf.
Globally, ten hottest years ever in last 12 years.
It used to be said that the arctic ice could vanish in 1000 years.
Now they are saying 50 at current rate.
And the rate is increasing.
With less ice and snow, more heat is absorbed, increasing the rate.
Melting permarost will release millions of tons of methane (10 times worse than CO2) increasing the rate.
Warming seas will release millions of tons of CO2 trapped in hydrates, increasing the rate.
Climate changes will convert Amazon to savannah, and a billion trees will convert to CO2 and methane.
There is a 50 year lead time for any change in emmission to have an effect.
They may have decided that it is already too late to avert catastrophe?
Vast areas of the world, central asia, Africa, Central America will be unable to sustain life.
The densely populated coastal plains will be submerged.
Agriculture will collapse.
All governments must be considering such scenarios.
Heard anything about plans?

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: skipy
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 06:40 AM

I have an old 78 record here in my office at work, we are plastic injection moulders, so it is alway hot here.
My thermo. is showing 28.6 deg. C at the moment so that will be the temp. of my record.
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: kendall
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 07:35 AM

It is forcast to be 50 degrees here today. Unheard of. We broke the record yesterday too.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 08:00 AM

Be careful with that 78 Skipy.
You could have broken record temperatures.

I'll get me parasol.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: JennyO
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 08:08 AM

It's midnight here in Oz, and it's still 25 degrees C, and the humidity is higher than normal. Sorta feels like a sauna.

But then it's summer here, so you'd expect that. Trouble is, this summer, the weather has been extraordinarily changeable from day to day. A couple of days ago it was cold with strong winds, and another change is supposed to be coming, with tomorrow's maximum supposed to be 4 degrees cooler than it is now!

Talk about night sweats (in the nearby thread)!

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 08:12 AM

The plans are probably quite secret, but "the prospect has become so real that the Pentagon's strategic planners are grappling with it.

From Fortune magazine, January, 2005.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 09:05 AM

We're expecting 77 for a high today in north Texas { Ft Worth to be exact }. I came to work today wearing shorts and sandals.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 09:14 AM

High of 44F expected here in Idaho today, with high winds later in the day (above 40 mph). We've had lows down to 4F, however. But high temp records are beind broken at least once a week somewhere in the Snake River plain.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: bobad
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 09:16 AM

There are still politicians who deny that there is a problem like this guy in Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 09:18 AM

ITs been about 58 F this week in DC.
There have been no discerable chem trails.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 09:37 AM

53 F in SE Wyo now (7:30 AM) but we've been down to -10 F also.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: kendall
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 10:41 AM

The fools laughed at Noah too.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 10:51 AM

Well, Noah was the only one who got a warning. This time we ALL have been warned.

But the 'fools' only believe warnings when the water gets above their knees.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: skipy
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 11:49 AM

3 half pence a foot!
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 12:01 PM

Southeast Alaska- the panhandle - is certainly having an unusual winter. I don't know about records being broken, other than for individual days.

Normally, even in snowy winters, the snow doesn't accumulate on the ground until mid-December; this year we had 65 inches in November, with the temperatures often dropping below zero F, and by early December we'd had 79 inches.

I don't think that we had any rain in November. We were told that with an El Nino in effect this winter we would have mostly rain.

It's snowing again. And it is not winter yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 12:12 PM

Its around 4C here today, which is pretty normal for this time of year, but we have set a new record for most rainfall for November and a couple of weeks ago the temperature dipped to -12C in the midst of a 4 day power outage and snowstorm. That is the lowest December temperature that I can ever recall.

What is really plaguing us though are major windstorms off the Pacific from Hawaii. We're bracing for the third one in just one week. Its predicticted that we will have sustained winds of 80 to 90 km by tonight.

It looks like a battle zone on this Island, with trees snapped and down and banches all over the place. Our weather benign little portion of Canada is taking a beating for being so smug.

Sadly, even some of the massive 500 to 700 hundred year old trees in Cathedral Grove have come down.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 12:26 PM

"Today in the news we have record breaking temperatures streaming across th... well folks I guess this really isn't news when it happens every day everywhere, perhaps we should report when a temperature reading is considered normal. Now that would be news."

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 01:58 PM

Metch, my take on it is that we in southeast Alaska are getting the same rains that the Pacific Northwest has been experiencing the last few months but that we are far enough north that our precipitation comes in the form of snow. Don't know how scientific that reasoning is but it makes sense to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Peace
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 02:00 PM

It would be difficult to get temperatures on tape. And who would buy the CD? What would it sound like? Strange.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 02:35 PM

Oh poo...its hailing and the temperature has dropped three degrees in the past hour.

Maybe this sucker is going to come in as freezing rain and snow. That's what happens when the stuff from Hawaii gets mixed up with the cold air up your way Ebbie.

I'm sick of snow already this year. But thank god we've only had about 2 feet so far, over 5 feet would really throw us for a loop again. I think the City of Victoria only has 1 snow plow. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 03:58 PM

Rapaire, what are you doing to your mallards?

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 06:07 PM

Using them for the croquet games, of course. You tap the ball through the wicket with your mallard.

I like the green one, and if I can't get the green one I like the blue one.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 09:52 PM

Hundreds of Ducks Dying- but not any other birds...

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: pdq
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 09:58 PM

Looks like a case with mallard aforethought.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 09:37 AM

Getting back to the original post. Climate has always shifted, and major shifts have caused human and animal populations to migrate.   

It is awful to have to be one of those forced into migration, but nature is going to force our hand. We have a lot of desert areas where people insist on living where life is going to be less and less sustainable. We also have a lot of good unused land lying fallow because it's not been needed since agrifarming has gotten so efficient. Some shifts are going to have to happen.

What's the deal with the British Isles reforesting themselves after choppin' em all down generations back?   What percent would you say is back in trees?

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: LilyFestre
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 10:26 AM

In North Central Pennsylvania, the temperatures are also unseasonably warm. I, for one, am enjoying it immensely! :) I am taking advantage of it and getting outside for lots of walks. It does make me wonder what Mother Nature has in store for us a little later though........

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 02:12 PM

Well, more of the British Isles are currently forested than for some time, Unfortunatly, virtually all of the increase is conifer monoculture, but things are getting better, slowly.

Substantial deforestaition started in the Late stone age, to clear land for agriculture. This accelerated in the Later Iron age, and particularly during the Roman period to provide fuel for industry, and then once again in the Medieval period for Shipbuilding, leading to a distinct lack of timber. IIRC, Nelsons fleet grew in France, Spain and the American Colonies, as well as the British Isles.

I think the point of that was to say it seemed a good idea at the time....

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Bernard
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 04:30 PM

Almost every planet in our solar system is experiencing similar climatic changes, which cannot possibly be caused by 'carbon dioxide emissions'...

It is natural changes in the sun which cause these phenomena, and we can do nothing to influence it in any way whatsoever.

Time the politicians came clean and admitted there's no scientific evidence for their claims...

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Joybell
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 04:21 PM

Here in south-east Aus. we haven't had usual rainfall for 10 years. This year there was almost no Winter rain and none at all in Spring. Rural towns are running out of water and we out-of-townies are watching the levels of our tanks go lower and lower. Spring arrived with the highest temperatures on record. Fruit trees and other crops were tricked into flowering. Then we had late frosts and lost all our own soft fruit - commercial growers lost most of their fruit too.
We're into bushfire mode already and half the state is burning.
We're sharing our water with the local birds and other wildlife - but the situation for them elsewhere is dire.
"May you live in interesting times"
I keep thinking about that curse.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Bernard
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 05:24 PM

That's bad.

We're experiencing 'confused nature' here in the UK, too - birds not migrating when they should, flowers in blossom out of season, but nothing as serious as you're experiencing in Aus...

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 05:39 PM

I planted some palm trees from seed last April. They came up the last week of September. I could have put them outside today. I live in Maine.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 02:26 AM

Is this meant to be REcord temperatures as in, record-breaking or reCORD temps, as in note them down, because I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, here, in the spare bedroom of a house in east London, UK, it's bloody freezing!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: autolycus
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 01:36 PM

I thought the plan was for some to emigrate to the Moon,Mars and so on, with regime change to follow.






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 03:24 PM

Whut? The other day I watched two ravens (male?) quarreling over a third one (female, I would guess); they were unmistakably in courting mode.

This is December- and there is snow on the ground. Ravens are not supposed to be interested until in March sometime.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 04:21 PM

Hey... it's sex... get it when you can!!!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Rowan
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 04:33 PM

How many threads has this birdwatching lark spread to?

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: GUEST,Scoville
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 11:04 PM

We had the windows open during meeting for worship for business this afternoon and were interrupted by an ice-cream truck. No kidding. Played the first bar of "the Entertainer" and "Turkey in the Straw" over and over. Very annoying.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: LilyFestre
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 11:27 PM

Today is my husband's birthday. I took a photo of him standing outside wearing jeans and a t-shirt, standing next to an outdoor thermometer that read 60 degrees. WOW. December 12th and 60 degrees in North Central Pennsylvania. Unheard of.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: LilyFestre
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 11:28 PM

YIKES...make that December 17th and 60 degrees in North Central Pennsylvania...what can I say? It's past my bedtime! Goodnight!

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Bert
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 01:35 AM

...It used to be said that the arctic ice could vanish in 1000 years.
Now they are saying 50 at current rate...

I was reading in the paper the other day when they said it could be as early as 2024.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 05:47 AM

Scary stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Rowan
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:54 PM

Now, if someone could post the tune and lyrics of Tiny Tim's "The ice caps are melting" we'd be able to transfer the thread into the music section.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Record temperatures
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 04:18 AM

Report on 2006 as record hot year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/understanding/warmest_year06.shtml