Nude Publicity Stunt for festival

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: TheSnail
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 07:56 AM

Even more off the subject of this thread but Captain Birdseye said -

"the english are very good at telling people what to do,banning musical instruments in Ireland.,among other things"

Really? References please.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 12:29 PM

No need to be avuncular with me Ruth.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 11:26 AM

oops - I meant Dick, of course!

Sorry, Uncle Dave.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 05:52 AM

I was married to a national broadsheet journalist for 15 years, Dave. I think I'm relatively media-savvy.

But thanks for the advice.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 06:13 PM

I agree, Dave

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Folkiedave
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 02:17 PM

Dick I never buy the Mail because of its fascist past.

I don't agree with Mark and his ilk regarding hunting and I have spoken with him about it over a pint. But it doesn't stop me going to the festival he runs, especially since it is up the road from me and I have helped by offering accommodation to people who are there.

And as for questioning things have you never read anything I have written?

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 12:54 PM

well said ALAN,
a typical peice of newspaper reporting,inaccurate and sensational,this paper spent its time in the 1930,s,recruiting for oswald mosleys blackshirts,.
and during the first world war,whipped up an anti german frenzy,as a result of which my families shop was smashed up,and my grandmother father and uncle, had to hide in a chicken shed at the bottom of the garden,terrified for their lives.
the daily mail were accusing all german immigrants of being spies for the kaiser.
Ruth Archer; folkie Dave,you must learn to question everything you read in any newspaper,even the weather forecast.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 12:46 PM

I heard that the reason the foxhunting bill got so many votes as the bill to be repealed was because hunting supporters organised a campaign to get as many of their followers as possible to vote, vote, vote.
I am sure I have seen similar campaigns on Mudcat, e.g. urging people to vote for morris dancing as an English icon - also successful.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Alan Day
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 12:27 PM

Dave S the weekend is about Folk not Foxhunting .It did not spoil a good weekend for me and not a hunting horn in sight.
Worth going just for the pies.
Al

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Folkiedave
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 12:15 PM

Thanks for that - of course Mark would want to have his pride and joy in that particular picture. Though why he wanted to hide it with a concertina is beyond me.

Crabbs you say? Well, well who would have thought it of a judge!!

(My understanding from one who was present was that he got a bit of stick at Royal Concertinas last night!!)

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 09:28 AM

also rather like my defenceless duck that had its head removed.
many years ago I experienced,THE HUNT rampaging over my land,and I f;;;;;;;THEM OFF MY LAND,However as far as I am concerned FOXES are a nuiscance,Probably best dealt with, when their population is too high by shooting them.[and thats not perfect either],thats why I havent made up my mind [and am a dont know].

Democracy is only used when it suits the incumbent politicians. However the correct democratic thing to do is have a referendum,after all Tony Blair is always blathering on about democracy in Iraq.,some democrat, a two faced hypocrite.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 08:27 AM

you want to see (and feel) what it's like when you're out walking with your family, and the hunt comes tearing through the surrounding fields. It's terrifying, not least for children (especially if you happen to be walking your own dog, because you just don't know what the pack would do if your dog crossed their path) and all in all you feel rather small and defenceless and vulnerable. Rather like the fox, I should imagine.

Kind of spoils your day out, and ruins the peace and tranquility of the countryside...

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: GUEST,Dave S at Work
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 08:17 AM

Well said Chris, that has always been my take on the subject too. While I have not witnessed the devastation that a fox can wreck I have been (unwillingly)present at the culmination of a foxhunt (in the Lake District on the site where I was camping)and I fancy I know which is the more barbaric.
Sorry but I now have no desire to attend Bradfield Festival which is not too far from me and to which a number of my collegues go.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: GUEST,chris
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 06:14 AM

Dick (captain birdseye)
foxes may be cruel in our eyes but 'barbaric' is the province of the human race.We are supposed to be able to 'reason'I doubt that anyone would expect an animal to 'reason'
chris

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Mitch the Bass
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 06:09 AM

> ...we are no nearer identifying Mark's concertina.
> I still think it is an Edeophone........

As CB said a little earlier, it's an anglo. An 8-sided instrument, so in the style of an Aeola (Edeophones are 12-sided). It was made in March 2006 by Geoffrey Crabb. I've seen the instrument in the flesh - just the instrument.

Mark reported last year -

After spending some time persuading my good friend Geoff Crabb to make me a new concertina I finally took delivery of the instrument yesterday when Geoff delivered it.We attended the Royal Concertinas session where various anglo afficianados played it and were favourably impressed.As I started off playing a 40 key Wheatstone anglo,the standard Wheatstone layout on a C/G anglo is what I prefer.The instrument Geoff has made is an 8 sided 40 key with finely fretted stainless steel ends and eight fold bellows.Clearly I have had a limited time to play it but the action is light and very responsive and the tone is loud without being too strident.The balance of the sound between the left and right hand sides is excellent and shows what long periof of time Geoff spent on the reed work.The reed frames are hand filed rectangular and the reed pan is that standard non radial Crabb layout.It will clearly need to be played in but meets my requirements exactly.There are a number of innovations on the instrument which are probably unique and are testimony to Geoff's inventive frame of mind and technical skills.The air button on right hand side is in fact a lever and air is released by pressing down on the side of the button rather than pressing in the end of the button.This is very easy to use.The air button/lever in fact operates two entirely separate levers and pads.Depressing the button slightly allows limited air to be released whilst depressing the lever fully operates a separate lever and a larger pad enabling a larger amount of air to be released.This idea appears to work very well.The drone button on the right hand side operates on a similar lever basis as the air button.However it has a cranked action which enables the drone button(standard drone in C)to be locked into place.Geoff made the 30 key No 1 concertina,previously reviewed on c.net, just to satisfy himself that he was still able to make a concertina.The No 2 concertina certainly shows that is the case and suggests he is perhaps the most innovative of the current makers whilst sticking to traditional construction methods.

Geoff was highly amused when I showed him correspondence from his late father Harry dating from 1974.I had ordered in 1974 a Crabb 40 key anglo(identical to No 2 apart from the innovations referred to above).The price in the catalogue was I think £110.I had paid a £10 deposit.However when Harry wrote back confirming the order he said the price had gone up to £150.I was training to be a Solicitor at the time,newly married and earning £4.50 a week so I decided to cancel the order and got my £10 back!Wasn't I a silly boy.The price of No2(still a bargain)was substantially more than £150.

Geoff again gave a fascinating talk at the Royal Concertinas session on the history of the H.Crabb & Sons up to the closure of the business on the death of his brother Neville in 1989.He is the last living connection with the Victorian concertina through his great grandfather John Crabb and his memories of the concertian trade are thus fascinating.He has organised a data base of Crabb concertinas so is able to tell you when individual instruments were made and at a small cost is able to provide certificates of authenticity.


Mitch

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 05:08 AM

well, my farming friends employ pest controllers. Usually the fox is shot dead (which is apparently not nearly so difficult as the hunting fraternity would have us believe). The farmers I know are no great fans of the hunt, by the way - the damage they do they may pay for, but when you're a farmer with limited human resources, repairing fences and hedges is another job you could really do without...and don't even get my friend Craig started on the way that they ride roughshod over whichever fields they like, regardless of what is agreed in advance. One farmer I know has banned them from his land - not that they pay any attention, which is symptomatic of the arrogance of the breed. They do, of course, remove beasts' carcasses, which is a useful service - but it's not like they don't charge the farmers to do it.

"foxhunting has been an important activity in the lives of rural communities, as was singing about it in the pub afterwards"

Well, hurrah. Why not bring back public hangings and all, so long as we can have a good sing-song afterwards?

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Folkiedave
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 05:04 AM

The biggest population of foxes nowadays is in urban areas and we have one that walks past the top of our road. You can set your clock by him/her.

Do you propose to come through the middle of Sheffield with a pack of hounds? In fact most councils gave up trying to control urban foxes because it is just not feasible. Once they did that the population stabilised - ie the number remained more or less the same. It's what happens when humans stop interfering.

Most foxes are killed by motor cars around here and all scientific studies seem to indicate that hunting has virtually no effect on the fox population.

Here's one for you to read:
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=158534

By killing off the weaker foxes as the hunt odes - it leaves the stronger ones - the more predatory and successful ones alive. Once there is some vacant territory other foxes - some from urban areas - move in.

As for banning it not stopping it - much the same argument was used by the slave owners and the people who sent small boys and girls down pits and up chimneys.

But this deserves a separate thread and we are no nearer identifying Mark's concertina.

I still think it is an Edeophone........

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 04:37 AM

I deliberately misquoted wilde to make the point that banning foxhunting,Willnot prevent foxhunting from taking place ,BANNING Alcohol in prohibition times,did not stop people drinking,banning smoking in Ireland has not stopped people from smoking,its just sent them outdoors.[it has stopped passive smoking ]
I live in the countryside,and have had very unpleasant experiences with foxes,snapping off the heads of ducks and leaving their bodies behind,taking A chicken and killing the rest,their behaviour can be barbaric.
the question is what is the best way to control them,using poison can also kill innocent domestic animals,shooting is a possibility[but the animal can suffer if its wounded,escape and die in pain]but lkie everything man has interfered with[introduction of rabbits in australia]their numbers do have to be controlled how does Ruth Archer propose to do it.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 04:31 AM

The Pennine packs are a bit grittier and less lah-di-dah than lowland posing posses like the Belvoir and Fernie. They sing better, too. Not as well as the Welsh packs, but not badly for a bunch of sais!
Anyway, to get back to the original post - well done the pair of them.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Alan Day
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 04:08 AM

No problems Ruth you were responding to the information you were given.
On your farm I can understand major problems with foxes killing chickens and they got mine.This was before they became friendly.One person with chickens was so impressed with my foxes that they started feeding theirs and never ever had any problems with them killing their chickens after that.This guy used to mince up tripe for his dogs and the fox sat in the doorway waiting for his portion.They are lovely animals and the vixens bought their babies along with them,one spending the night in my porch until we found it the next day. It stopped long enough for bit of cat food and a drink before running off to tell his mum where he had been.
Al

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Folkiedave
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 03:58 AM

the quote is (Oscar Wilde, I think) "The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable).

And I thought he was talking about Rugby Union.....:-)


to put the complete quote in......

"The English country gentleman galloping after a fox - The unspeakable in full pursuit of the uneatable". And yes it was Wilde.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 07:09 PM

There is a lot of ignorance or misinformation being displayed here.

The quote is (Oscar Wilde, I think) "The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable).

There is an Irish song similar to the one cited above, but the one you want is
"Hurrah for the scarlet and the blue
Helmets glistening in the sun
I've ta'en the good King's shilling
And I'm off tomorrow morn".

I joined in with it earlier tonight......

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 06:39 PM

"Good job he wasn't a fiddle player."

Or a kazoo player.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 06:35 PM

"I see no evidence in those picture that the gentleman is actually, as claimed, a joint master, despite the fact that his wife is smiling."

Yeah, but she's with the horse . . . .

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Tradsinger
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 06:32 PM

Good job he wasn't a fiddle player.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 06:14 PM

I see no evidence in those picture that the gentleman is actually, as claimed, a joint master, despite the fact that his wife is smiling.

A

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:56 PM

With the greatest of respect, Alan, I was responding to the article as posted. It sounds like a very worthy cause.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Alan Day
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:48 PM

The Calender was in aid of supporting a Hospice, the fact that it was being organised by the local foxhunting society has nothing to do with this posting.It is a separate issue.Mark and his wife and the other calender posers should be applauded,they are supporting a hospice where their friend died recently from cancer.This information was not quoted by the Daily Mail in their article they chose to ignore it.
For a few lovely years I had the pleasure of two vixens who became my friends and one actually sat near me while I worked in the garden.For this reason I need not discuss my thoughts on foxhunting which is another subject for discussion.
Al

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:44 PM

Captai Ginger, I have most experience of the Cottesmore, the Belvoir and the Fernie - none of which ar ein the least blue collar.

If anyone listened to the Radio Ballads on foxhunting, especially to the list of kit and how much it costs (£1000 jackets and £1200 boots, anyone?), I think they'd be hard-pressed to defend the majority of hunting as a working-class pursuit.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: jacqui.c
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:35 PM

It's nice to see 'authority' getting involved in this type of event.

A friend of mine, a couple of year's back, sat in a bath of maggots for an hour and raised five hundred pounds for charity.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:35 PM

Georgiansilver - well spotted. I hope Dave and Jeff spot it too, because I suspect there is a song waiting to come out....

Kitty

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:27 PM

He is a Judge..she is a police officer....There is a UK duo called 'His Worship and the pig'...good they are too.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:27 PM

no one has produced any evidence of this. The only source actually linked here says that the money benefits the foxhounds.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:25 PM

Funny, no-one seems at all interested in the breed of pony...

LTS

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:24 PM

My local hunt is very much a blue-collar hunt, and boy, can they sing!
Maybe the hunts in Borsetshire are different from those we know in the real world...

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:18 PM

The sale of the calendar,will enable the pennine foxhounds to make a substantial donation to the kirkwood hospice, huddersfield.
so peoples views on foxhunting are irrelevant.
the instrument in question is not a roundhead or a cavalier,duet or english but a 40 key crabb, anglo in c g made by Geoffrey Crabb.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Folkiedave
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:14 PM

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: GUEST,Nimrod - PM
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 04:45 PM

Didn't the Watersons have a song which goes:

"Hurrah for the Kakhi and the Buff,
Helmets glistening in the sun........."

We used to mek us own fun in them days......

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:09 PM

Oh, and this thread should probably be below the line, except that foxhunting has been an important activity in the lives of rural communities, as was singing about it in the pub afterwards, and contributed many songs to the tradition. In the Lake District many people from less exalted strata followed the hunt on foot.

Kitty

PS Where is Greg Stephens when you need a local view.....

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:04 PM

The Oscar Wilde version was "the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible", wasn't it?

The Act banning foxhunting was voted by Radio 4's Today programme audience as the one they most wanted repealed - the argument for repeal was made by a former Director of the League against Cruel Sports and I think the reason why 52% of the votes were cast for this particular Act was because neither the supporters of hunting with dogs nor the opponents thought that the legislation is workable. It was badly drafted which is why it isn't enforceable or enforced. And it took up an inordinate amount of Parliamentary time which might have more usefully been spent on other things to help people rather than not effectively protect foxes.

Kitty

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 04:59 PM

Despicable pursuits, i.e. foxhunting, aside, there does seem to be a tradition on the Mudcat, I think we did three years of semi-nude calendars, and elsewhere, of folkies baring it all for a good cause: click.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 04:58 PM

my statement, read foxhunting is deemed by many people to be necessary.
I didnt mention hunting with horses and hounds.
if you are a true believer in democracy,you should allow the people to vote in a referendum.
my views on the subject are, dont know,
but I do know that there are a lot of people from all sections of the community[Not just the privileged]who are against this ban,and have not been able to exercise their denmocratic right.
i also know that Mark Davies has a right to his views,and has not had a right to exercise his vote on the matter.
The smoking ban in Ireland,I dont think its had any effect on making people give up,[teenagers are still smoking][[smokers go outsideto have a smoke]]what it has done is reduce people affected by passive smoking,for which I am grateful,HOWEVER no vote was taken on the matter so it too was totally undemocratic.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: GUEST,Nimrod
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 04:45 PM

In the remote hills of Howden the Penile Hounds may oft be seen in hot pursuit of Reynard, led by their Master in his splendiferous coat of scarlet and buff. The Master is often accompanied by his charming companion who keeps well abreast with him o'er bushes and briars. The Hunt is well supported by the sturdy yeoman farmers and shepherds of these lonely moors who respond alertly to the cry "View Halloo!"

At the end of a long chase the Hunt loves nothing better than to retire to an hostelry where they may toast the success or otherwise of their endeavours in harmonious lyrics. The favourite song above all others is the greatly famed tribute to the Hunt colours; "Here's to the Scarlet and Buff" whose echoes resound repeatedly in the small country inn.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 03:50 PM

Foxhunting with horses and hounds in only considered necessary by the people who do it. People who live in the countryside, including farmers, know it is an inefficient form of pest control.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 03:49 PM

Nonsense.

Do you think people will be smoking more in pubs once the ban comes in? Look at Ireland as a case study...are people smoking more in pubs? Of course not. Why? Because the ban is enforced. Unlike the one on foxhunting.

Only people from a particular social strata are arrogant enough to think they're above the law...

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 03:45 PM

FOXHUNTING is considerd by many people to be necessary.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 03:43 PM

it is not a meaningless misquote. It means banning it, will not blot it out. indelible, means blot out.
banning things only encourages people to do it more,

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 03:37 PM

yes apologies, its some class of duet, lachenal generally made triumph or crane system,wheatstone mccanns.
the line should read ,hunting;the inedible chased by the indelible.
yes I know the original quote was the inedible chased by the unspeakable.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 03:36 PM

*yawn* And that was a meaningless misquote of Oscar Wilde, BTW.

Foxhunting is barbaric, like bear-baiting and cock-fighting.

The latter were banned is because they were entertainments for the working classes. Foxhunting was allowed to continue because it is the preserve of the higher social stratas. And they're still getting away with it because they are arrogant enough to flout the laws of this country.

There endeth the polemic.

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: GUEST,The black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 03:35 PM

The newspaper article:-
"Judge Davies was persuaded to pose as Mr July for a nude calendar sold at £10 a time to raise cash for the Pennine Foxhounds, of which he is joint master. "

Elsewhere:-
"The sale of calendar will enable the Pennine Foxhounds to make a substantial donation to the Kirkwood Hospice,Huddersfield"

Subject: RE: Nude Publicity Stunt for festival
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 03:30 PM

hunting the inedible chased by the indelible.
the more you ,ban something the more determined people are to do it.
the english are very good at telling people what to do,banning musical instruments in Ireland.,among other things