Ron Trueman Border

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 03:22 PM

For them as dissent knaah.......

Ron left this Earth in early August 2020, unexpectedly.

His memory lives on in the thousands of songs he left and the millions of experiences he gave us!

I, for one and my wife & daughters loved him to bits and will continue to sing ‘RonSongs’ as long as there is breath in us!

GNU RT-B!

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,Paul Davies
Date: 13 Sep 20 - 05:37 PM

Ron is one of the folk circuit's true heroes. He writes prolifically and not all of the songs work BUT when they do work they are really strong so I would argue that does make him one of the best and most respected singer songwriters in the business. Many people can go a lifetime and not produce one gem of a song but Ron has touches of pure genius and if you take time to go mining through his albums there are many, many gems to be found.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 04:22 PM

Aah've nevor done 'the hundred' before

100 not oot!!

Gerrup ye buggah!

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 04:20 PM

Aye Suzi, pet!! Aah'll try to stay sober next time!

The lad wez on great form though!!

Lovely to see you an' aall - Alwez iz!

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,Suzi Z
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 03:21 AM

Great to see you down at Bursledon George ..xx

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 04:12 AM

PS We heard RTB at Faldingworth live and enjoyed.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 03:33 AM

So how come there are so many anonymouse guests on this thread then?

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,G-P Sans cookie (again!)
Date: 31 May 09 - 07:11 PM

Aye! It wqs an' aall!

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,Geeordie-Peorgie (Sans Cookie)
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:03 PM

It's ganna be a great night

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,Suzi Z
Date: 30 May 09 - 02:11 PM

Sorry that's supposed to be Woolston and Bursledon Folk Club ..but the link's the same xx

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,Suzi Z
Date: 28 May 09 - 05:16 AM

Ron has a few gigs coming up during the next week but this is mainly to mention his appearance as guest at The Bursledon and Netley Folk Club this Sunday 31st May.Great club..so hope some of you can make it there
http://www.woolnetfolk.co.uk/
Blue Slies
Suzi

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,Suzi Z
Date: 25 Apr 09 - 09:37 AM

sorry ..forgot to say Neptune Hall gig is at 5pm..

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,Suzi Z
Date: 25 Apr 09 - 09:36 AM

Thanks Rockhen..hopefully we'll make it back up to you again in the not too distant future
Next couple of gigs for anyone who may want to go along
Tonight 25th April at The Brasenose Arms in Cropredy at 9pm
Brasenose Arms
and tomorrow 26th at The Neptune Hall in Broadstairs
Neptune Hall

Hope some ofyou may be able to make it ..that's if you're not running in the Marathon !!
Blue Skies
Suzi

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Rockhen
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 10:11 AM

I would definitely go and hear Ron again if I could make it to a localish gig. I heard him at Gainsborough Folk Festival a few months back and really enjoyed his live set.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Suzi Z
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 08:13 AM

On at The Good Intent Concert Night in Rochester tonight with Sic Transit as support
..and at The Famous Willows Folk Club in Arundel tomorrow 15th April
http://www.willowsfolkclub.org/

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: breezy
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 11:37 AM

He's good, laid back, attitude, no frills, proper songs.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,Suzi Z
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 11:33 AM

...and a few more in-between!!!

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: melodeonboy
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 05:51 AM

And The Good Intent, Rochester (ME1 1YL) on Tuesday 14th. April!

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,Suzi Z
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 04:10 AM

I've resurrected this thread for those who may be interested and perhaps they can form their own opinion on a live performance, if they've not seen him before.
Ron's appearing at The Rainham Folk Club
Friday 20th March(tonight)great little club
The Oast House Granary Close, Rainham ME8 7SG
Saturday 21st March The White Hart 18,High Street, Saxmunden IP17 1DD
Blue Skies xx Suzi

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Scrump
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 08:03 AM

George, I just want to make it 100% clear I was definitely not thinking of you when I made my earlier comment about singer/songwriters singing their own material - far from it! :-)

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Girl Friday
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 04:23 PM

Thanks Villan. Found it, read it, enjoyed it. LOL

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 04:04 PM

Its there Girl Friday LOL

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Girl Friday
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 04:01 PM

"What makes someone a good songwriter?" Good idea for a thread. Will look and see if anyone's beaten me to it first.

I agree, this thread should end now.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 02:41 PM

I think he should ask when he is playing some of his more 'offensive' songs whether there is anyone in the audience he might offend. I heard at croydon he stopped in the middle of one!

(e.g sleaze, snake eyes etc.)

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 08:06 AM

In response to Scrump's fair comment about s/s doing exclusively their own material: I cannot speak for Ron, but for myself, the reason is actually simple: I don't think I am good enough to cover other people's songs on my own, and I won't do it unless I feel I can impart something of myself as a performer, add something. Hence, I very rarely do covers in my sets. I was a "reluctant performer" from the start, doing it just to get (my) songs out and about, to give them a chance to be aired and survive or not according to their worth.

So - not "pride" or "arrogance", but feeling of inadequacy. And before people flock to tell me otherwise (thank you but don't), remember - this is how I see myself, and I am happy with that. For me in this case it's the songs that are important, not the singer.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 03:03 AM

Well I didn't find any fault with what he did at Market Rasen Folk Club.

Howvever I think Scrump is quite correct about some performers who only do their own songs, when they are clearly weak songs and are boring.

Sometimes people get this bee in their bonnet, that they are a songwriter and continually write songs that are not good enough and expect other people to enthuse.

Maybe instead of using RTB as an example publicly (which I don't agree with), there should be a new thread "What makes somebody a good songwriter"

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Girl Friday
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 08:20 PM

I think, though can't be sure, that Ron is taking much of this proffered advice/ comment on board, though, I can't see him performing covers unless accompanying someone else. We at Friday Folk are only too happy to listen to his songs when, as tonight, he has a free Friday.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Scrump
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 08:50 AM

Yes, it seems some singer-songwriters make it a point of pride (or arrogance, maybe?) to only include their own material. If some of them would include a few well-chosen covers, maybe their own stuff might go down better.

(I hasten to add, this is not aimed at RTB, as I haven't seen him, it's just a general comment about 'singer/songwriters')

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,redhorse at work
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 08:24 AM

Guest 10:46's comment "The first couple went down well, but by the end of the first half I was finding the tunes all too similar to be memorable......." is actually applicable to about 80% of all singer-songwriters who do the rounds of the folk clubs. The good ones are those who can vary pace, style and content, and are all too rare.

nick

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Doktor Doktor
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 07:01 AM

He's Pretty Fekkin Good.

.. and on at StortFolk on Thursday (www.stortfolk.co.uk)

plug plug plug

.. entirely acoustic - not just unplugged ...

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,of 10.46
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 04:14 AM

I'll try an answer the criticisms that might have been meant for me!

1. I am choosing to be anonymous on this occasion because if I identify myself, and therefore the club I go to, I could be seen to be speaking for other people, and I don't feel I have that right. On other threads I have posted using my real name. Just trying to be considerate. Maybe it's misplaced caution.

2. I would have no problem speaking to Ron himself. It wouldn't take 'guts' - just more interest than I actually have. I would certainly give him a 'second chance' if he appears local to me again, and if I still feel the same, then I will, if there is a suitable opportunity, say the same things directly to him. If I have a far more enjoyable experience, I'll tell him that too!

3. The thread began by canvassing opinions of Ron, not by asking for people to contact him directly. As I have seen him and do have an opinion I felt it was legitimate for me to post. The suggestion I offered was just my ham fisted way of tempering what might otherwise be construed as unconstructive criticism. And perhaps offered to see whether other people shared that thought, as per the spirit of the thread.

Fun here, isn't it!

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,DK
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 09:02 PM

Probably the greatest songwriter since Dylan.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: synbyn
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 01:16 PM

okeydokey!

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,Girl Friday without cookie
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 10:53 AM

Ah, Bob, so you're synbyn. Should have worked that one out sooner. We plan(TDL that is) to descend on the Beacon next Monday, for Mike Silver. Hope to see you then.
Sue

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: synbyn
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 10:40 AM

Thanks girl friday- I'm MCing Paulette Sheard & Mike Ball at the Beacon Club in Tunbridge Wells on Monday, but hope RTB's gig goes well. Most of the locals stayed at Twitton! but of course we were very informal & didn't need a performers' area set out- I can understand it if the locals are in the L of the bar. Between the Wealden Ramblers, Fiddlefit and the local farrier we had a good time!

Caribou- you're entitled to like what you like, of course, and no-one can force you to sing if you don't feel like it. However, I think it's important for any performer to engage the audience, and chorus singing does that for many people. Some of the best nights I've been to have left me feeling the kind of uplift that I guess a religious person might feel from singing in church- the harmonies of experienced singers, the sense of an evening being more than the output of one performer. Seeing as I tend to give out Singalongabob sheets to assist when I do a solo gig, I've laid out my store! I do agree that it can become obtrusive if a singer is obviously trying to get the audience to sing his/her slogans (not RTB),I think that there is some kind of responsibility to treat an audience as thinking adults and to entertain rather than preach. So if you're entertained by listening, all well and good- hope to see you sometime

Bob K

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,caribou
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 08:09 PM

I don't say that i don't like violent songs just that I don't like being expected to SING along all bloody night! My hands were covered in blood was the first that came to mind.

I have seen rtb a few times and like his stuff but not the sing-a-long-max style of delivery.

Anyway Coke wasn't in cans in the 1950/60s it was bottles

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,Girl Friday without cookie
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 05:15 PM

"What I said was general and not aimed at RTB - as I said, I haven't seen him so I wouldn't presume to criticise him. I was responding to previous comments. "
I believe you Scrump. Put your name down on Ron's mailing list, and you'll be kept fully informed as to when he's down your way.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Scrump
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 01:25 PM

Personally, I think if somebody has a piece of advice for a performer and feel strongly enough about it, they should have the guts to get in touch with them personally by e-mail etc and not put it on a forum such as this.

What I said was general and not aimed at RTB - as I said, I haven't seen him so I wouldn't presume to criticise him. I was responding to previous comments.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,Slightly interested...pg
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 09:50 AM

...never mind 'covered in blood'...I can remember on one occasion...an audience at a gig ...singing along quite merrily to ....'I'm seriously suicidal' ...which brought a bit of an ironical smile to my face....as for Ron's e-mail ad..it's readily available on his web-site...if anyone should wish to make contact.....but some people appear to prefer this public forum..and we are living in a country where,ostesibly,freedom of speech is permitted ..so...hey! ho!...

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Girl Friday
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 09:07 AM

Well said Villan, though I wouldn't put Ron's Email address into the public domain. Let's see what Slightly Interested.... does.
Caribou (Leopards like them for lunch!) -should choose another name if I was you. We agree, Len, and I about the scowling thing, but there are a lot of performers who get upset if you don't sing along. There again, chorus singing is a great part of the folk club ethos.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Rasener
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 06:49 AM

I think its up to the person booking a performer to indicate the style of the venue and then leave the performer to decide what they are going to do.

Personally, I think if somebody has a piece of advice for a performer and feel strongly enough about it, they should have the guts to get in touch with them personally by e-mail etc and not put it on a forum such as this.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,Cragrat
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 04:58 AM

A folk fan complaining about violence in a song (and implied violence at that, since the protagonist is dreaming). The world has gone mad!

Covered In Blood is a great song.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Girl Friday
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 09:20 PM

synbyn . Glad you enjoyed Twitton despite everything. It's a great little club- hope thelocals were respectful. They usually leave when the singing starts. if you can get to Croydon this coming Monday, ron has a gig there.
Guest of 10.46 am. Wish you had a name. and Scrump. Hello.I strongly suspect that RTB does read this thread, and am certain that he'll not be offende by any comments and suggestions offered on it. when you do get to see Ron in action, you will see that he thrives on audience participation, and encourages everyone to join in. He will often get performers from the floor to accompany him if he feels they will add something to a song. He will give the audience a choice, of mood, funny, serious, bluesy, country,chorus, sing-along, etc. He can read an audience, especially if he knows some of them to speak to.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,caribou
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 09:13 PM

I think that he does too many chorus songs and this can be quite intimadating to some of the audience. Not everyone wants to shout out "My hands were covered in blood" at the end of each verse. He also complains "I can't hear you!" and looks you in the eye and scowls if you are not singing. Very un-nerving for wimps like me. Saying this he does write some good songs.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: synbyn
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:40 PM

Almost got to see him! Although the snow cancelled Twitton, those of us that got there had a bit of a session, so the journey wasn't wasted. Another day........

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:05 AM

Those comments seem very reasoned and fair, GUEST. I hope RTB doesn't take any kind of offence, I'm sure I wouldn't.

I have a varied repertoire myself and I tend to ring the changes, including 'serious' and 'comic' songs, 'traditional' and 'contemporary' material, as I find most people seem to like a bit of variety in a set. But I try to judge the mood of the audience, and sometimes even ask them if they want a funny song, a chorus song or whatever.

Some artists (I'm not saying RTB is one of them, having never seen him) will just sing their own material, and never include any chorus songs, which in some venues can be boring for the audience, however good the songs are. In some clubs, people like to sing, so I try to give them a chance to do that. In other clubs, it's not so important, and the audience would rather listen than sing. It's not always easy to get the balance right, but GUEST's advice to have a few different types of songs handy is sound, IMO.

As for RTB I hope to get to see him one day before too long and I'll look out for him.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: GUEST,( of 10.46am)
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:09 AM

Thanks for responding to my original post. As I tried to express - it feels very uncomfortable to make criticisms when you know that a) - a lot of other people are great fans and b) you feel that basically the guy was a nice bloke who just slightly missed the mark at your club. Had Ron been less experienced I would have held off altogether on the grounds that I might have unnerved him, but I thinks he's been around for long enough and has enough confidence in his own ability and acceptability to be able to take a few helpfully intented comments without suffering too much!

I take the point that he is not, and does not set out to be, a traditional 'folk singer', but on this occasion he had obviously canvassed a booking at a club which does favour traditional music (although not exclusively). The club in question is consistently cited as a favourite venue by many professional performers, so I don't think it was an unduly hostile place to play. My only intention in posting was to offer a suggestion for Ron to ponder - namely that should he find himself in a similar situation again (and I'm sure that he was aware on this night that he wasn't going down too well) it might be useful to have just one or two other types of song to pop into the set. If he largely enjoys playing folk clubs then one or two traditional songs from his own neck of the woods would go down a treat if he needed a brief change of direction. And even a died-in-the-wool traddy audience would be paying attention wondering when the next 'surprise' might come in the set.

It's only an idea. I'm not suggesting he should sell out, or even adapt his material for his audience. Only that it MIGHT be a useful option to have on a few occasions.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: Girl Friday
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 08:25 PM

He is also on at Croydon on Monday,12th, so will be going there instead.

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: synbyn
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 12:22 PM

I mean Thursday of course- the 8th Feb- must engage brain before typing...

Subject: RE: Ron Trueman Border
From: synbyn
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 12:20 PM

and Ron's at Twitton tomorrow (Tuesday), snow permitting- haven't seen his act for a while so will try to get there. Two of his songs are on the new Galliard CD too... and a grand job Dave & Gay make of them.